BattleMaster posted:

with no oversight and selecting for the lowest priced, most desperate people you're just asking to have them keep it and try to sell it

at least if it was done by proper employees you'd have paper trails and a recourse if they leaked it

fishmech posted:

i don't think

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

fishmech posted:

i don't think

fishmech posted:

i don't think there's much in the way of proper paper trails at office somewhere in asia #49595 or call center in rusting suburbia #9685. you know, the places that would be used instead of/in addition to mturk


like it's an app that's "take pictures of any random receipt you have with your generic consumer cell phone plus send us your credit card info, we'll figure out what your expense report should be". you're guaranteed to have a shitload of low quality barely legible shots and you'd need magical OCR tech that doesn't exist to do it, but they obviously want the cheapest costs for having it read. you're going to have massive amounts of personal info exposed to random underpaid people with very little control on who sees it no matter what.

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

anthonypants posted:

doesn't read either because the secfuck is clearly this issue https://twitter.com/Rochelle/status/933515448741535744 and not some imagined grievance against ocr

hobbesmaster posted:

it never worked that well for me by ocr standards so I’m a little surprised they were always using people.

and yes I have to use it because that’s what my company uses. if there’s another system allowed I probably wouldn’t get reimbursed within 72 hours

fishmech posted:

uh, lol you're the one who can't read here dude.

fishmech posted:

uh, lol you're the one who can't read here dude.

how the gently caress did you think all of this random data from receipts was going to be entered into their systems, in a way that's least prone to errors. it's by people reading the things and entering them into computers, and also people verifying things already entered digitally eg when pulling directly from emailed receipts, to ensure proper billing is done.

but i'll ask you too, why do you think mturk workers are less trustworthy than the barely minimum wage in-country call center type employees or the overseas sweatshop workers who'll go right on to pulling tech support scripts the next day?


the way these things go is things are run through ocr first and then also shown to a human because especially the user-photographed receipts are likely to be curled or blurry or whatever and its hard for a computer to do that cheaply and quickly. then you also get some human cross-checking on things that are fed into the apps direct from email or whatever, as you never know when an emailed receipt thing might be using a weird format.

anthonypants posted:

you dense child.

anthonypants posted:

the first sentence in this tweet is "I wonder if Expensify SmartScan users know MTurk workers enter their receipts." it is a question directed at expensify's users, and not the infosec industry or at computer touchers you dense child.

ErIog posted:

The secfuck has nothing to do with OCR. The secfuck is they're crowdsourcing handling of customer PII to literally random people.

anthonypants posted:

the first sentence in this tweet is "I wonder if Expensify SmartScan users know MTurk workers enter their receipts." it is a question directed at expensify's users, and not the infosec industry or at computer touchers you dense child.

fishmech posted:

and thats not a secfuck

thats literally the only way doing this company could work. why are you people so stuipid that you think i'm talking about ocr when i explicitly say why they can't rely on ocr, and need people?


and your point is?

fishmech posted:

and thats not a secfuck

thats literally the only way doing this company could work. why are you people so stuipid that you think i'm talking about ocr when i explicitly say why they can't rely on ocr, and need people?


and your point is?

hobbesmaster posted:

what product are you referring to? the one I use with Expensify requires a photo of the receipt and details of the expense. there is no requirement that expensify validate that the receipt matches the expense. at the end of a trip if I’ve compiled everything correctly I’ll just select all outstanding receipts, possibly enter some text about it for my supervisor (ie “yes the conference hotel was $500 a night I hate Silicon Valley“) and it’s off to be approved by boss and accounting.

at no step in this process is it required for anyone employed or contracted by expensify to actually look at my receipts unless I or my company explicitly asks for it by pushing that smart scan button. I now know to never push that thing

pseudorandom name posted:

showing your receipts to randos on Mechanical Turk is not the only way this company could work

the company could show your receipts to their vetted trusted employees, or as they lie in their FAQ, "secure technicians"

Jabor posted:

in general yes, i'd assume that someone who has an actual employment relationship with a business that digitizes receipts is at least very slightly more trustworthy than an anonymous person visiting the mechanical turk website.

fishmech posted:

do you not see why a company claiming to simplify expense reports would want to check whether the receipt proof matches to what was entered? that seems bizarre.

anthonypants posted:

doesn't read either because the secfuck is clearly this issu and not some imagined grievance against ocr

hobbesmaster posted:

that’s not a feature my company uses if it is even offered. what’s a valid expense report is up to my company

Volmarias posted:

Auditable procedures for how to have employees in centers handling PII exist, while you can't even have that as a possibility for some random on MTurk

Come on Fishmech, do you honestly think banks that outsource to the Philippines would just use MTurk too if only they knew it existed?

fishmech posted:

Then why are they making use of this app for none of the unique features?


You can have them on mturk, many only let you work for real after passing various tests and proving identity and stuff. It's only going to be as good as hiring random people off the street as they do though

Are you suggesting they don't?

Volmarias posted:

You can't prove that someone didn't write down your credit card number while they work in their bedroom, while you can in a call center.

bicycle posted:

imagine thanksgiving dinner with the fishmech family lol

bicycle posted:

imagine thanksgiving dinner with the fishmech family lol

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

clicked back after the last time i read this thread hoping for more dickrobots, got a savage fishmeching instead

not too happy tbh

Da Mott Man posted:

Malcolm XML posted:

lmao

yall getting fishmeched over something he clearly has no idea about