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noyes posted:goats rule I had a pet goat when I was a kid & can confirm this 
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Trainee PornStar posted:I had a pet goat when I was a kid & can confirm this Where were you on 9/11? Oh just reading The Pet Goat like a boss.
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StabbinHobo posted:i don't believe you, and the first page of googling for it doesn't seem to either. Your Google-Fu is weak: http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=20772#.WhpGtraZOwQ Of course not everyone agrees with this: https://www.skepticalscience.com/how-much-meat-contribute-to-gw.html One factor that may get missed. Clear-cutting of rain forests for cattle grazing.
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Nov 26, 2017 05:49
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pidan posted:If you go strictly by greenhouse gases per calorie, chicken and eggs are more environmentally friendly than many vegetables. And most people would probably find it easier to get rid of their car than to go vegan. Chickens magically produce more calories than the crops grown to feed them? I'm missing something.
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Nov 26, 2017 05:50
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VideoGameVet posted:Chickens magically produce more calories than the crops grown to feed them? Chicken can be fed figurative and sometimes literal garbage, humans can not. Also, all vegetables are not born equal.
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MiddleOne posted:Chicken can be fed figurative and sometimes literal garbage, humans can not. Also, all vegetables are not born equal. OK, I can see that. But compare the environmental impact of eating a pound of chicken to a pound of black beans. I mean, sire, if I'm eating a bunch of almonds I might have a comparable impact, but chicken waste alone is a big issue.
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Nov 26, 2017 06:03
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Beans are also cool.
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Nov 26, 2017 06:05
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MiddleOne posted:Beans are also cool. Generally more warm and smelly in the end, though
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Nov 26, 2017 06:23
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eNeMeE posted:Generally more warm and smelly in the end, though As are we all eventually
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Nov 26, 2017 07:32
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the gently caress https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...m=.c85893c52a76
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Nov 26, 2017 17:36
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kill all thinkpiece writers
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Nov 26, 2017 17:37
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We don’t need to save endangered populations. Death is part of progress.
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death...... is certain
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VideoGameVet posted:Chickens magically produce more calories than the crops grown to feed them? I'm not sure, but it's not the main factor regardless. Cattle's digestive system just happens to make them burp methane, a greenhouse gas, as well as large quantities of manure that ferments anaerobically to produce methane and nitrous oxide. They also require pasture, so expanding production requires changes in land use, (a fancy term for destruction of wild land), which drives carbon emissions and damages biodiversity.
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Just like natural gas plants are about half as effective at reducing carbon output as nuclear plants when they replace coal plants, chickens can substantially reduce carbon output without being carbon neutral products. Many vegetable are poo poo, like the worthless loving asparagus whose production is needlessly grim.
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Arglebargle III posted:like the worthless loving asparagus whose production is needlessly grim. I don't even like asparagus but I need this explained.
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Lmao that was a total shot in the dark, I just don't like asparagus and enjoy hyperbole on the internet. BUT  http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2016/02/09/the-surprisingly-big-carbon-shadow-cast-by-slender-asparagus/ It's labor-intensive, takes three years to mature, and traditionally you salt the fields as weed killer because it's a salt-tolerant plant. Most US asparagus is flown in from Peru, where we pay the farmers to grow it (and salt their fields like lunatics) instead of coca. My wild guess was accurate, asparagus is indeed a pointlessly awful crop. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 05:50
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Well gently caress asparagus, then.
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that's a drat shame. good thing I like cabbage
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That list makes me hungry, is there one like that for meats?
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an apple a day keeps the anthropogenic global warming away
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Lol asparagus is more carbon intensive than tuna, chicken, eggs, and milk.
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what's the difference between cow milk/yoghurt and cow meat/cheese that makes such a huge variance in carbon output? more animals? worse practices? I'm very dumb
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Well for one pound of beef you need about 1/500 of a cow. In contrast a single cow can produce like 15 tons of milk a year believe it or not. So one pound of milk represents one over fifteen thousand cow.
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The Snoo posted:what's the difference between cow milk/yoghurt and cow meat/cheese that makes such a huge variance in carbon output? more animals? worse practices? I'm very dumb Cows grow really slowly and fart methane like crazy. This is important because cows are almost comically more effective at producing milk in a lifetime than they are meat as a species. This stands in contrast to say chicken or pigs which grow up comically fast and are quite efficient meat-machines.
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The Snoo posted:what's the difference between cow milk/yoghurt and cow meat/cheese that makes such a huge variance in carbon output? more animals? worse practices? I'm very dumb MiddleOne posted:Cows grow really slowly and fart methane like crazy. This is important because cows are almost comically more effective at producing milk in a lifetime than they are meat as a species. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The chart compares carbon footprint on a weight basis, rather than caloric basis. And since cheese is basically a milk concentrate, it loses out massively. The only answer that shows comprehension of the question LOL
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The chart compares carbon footprint on a weight basis, rather than caloric basis. And since cheese is basically a milk concentrate, it loses out massively. Somehow many people don't know this, but for a cow to give you milk (at industrial levels) you have to impregnate it every year or two. Since we can't cover the world in cattle, all the cow babies have to go somewhere. And they go into our collective gaping maws. Despite this, people are so hungry for cow meat that there are apparently also cows who are farmed for meat but not milk. So reducing beef consumption is still good, but there will be beef as long as there is milk. Also the "bad carbon balance" veggies are mostly things like broccoli, and I'm not saying you shouldn't eat them, just that if you only look at CO2 and nutrition, some meats aren't the worst thing you eat.
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actionjackson posted:the gently caress I mean, to some extent he's right, and he's technically completely right if you don't think species have an inherent right to exist just because they're currently living on the planet. If we totally break ecosystems, kill all large and most small species, and then go extinct ourselves, within a few million years flourishing ecosystems full of newly-evolved species in all sizes and ecological niches will reestablish themselves just fine.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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pidan posted:So basically, cow meat should solely come from cows who can no longer efficiently produce milk. Around 50% of it already is in nations with a heavy (real emphasis on the heavy here) milk-consumption. Beef derived from milk-production (milk-cows and calf's exclusively) has substantially (1/3 to 1/2) lower emissions than meat derived from cows raised squarely for their beef. A big reasons for this is life-length as cattle raised for beef can get to live anywhere in-between 16 months to 8 years before their slaughter-ready. This is comically wasteful when put in contrast to something like a pig which is fully grown in just 5-6 months. Beef-cows are a luxury and as far as food-stuffs go it's in the top of things that we really should get rid of.
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MiddleOne posted:Around 50% of it already is in nations with a heavy (real emphasis on the heavy here) milk-consumption. Beef derived from milk-production (milk-cows and calf's exclusively) has substantially (1/3 to 1/2) lower emissions than meat derived from cows raised squarely for their beef. A big reasons for this is life-length as cattle raised for beef can get to live anywhere in-between 16 months to 8 years before their slaughter-ready. This is comically wasteful when put in contrast to something like a pig which is fully grown in just 5-6 months. Beef-cows are a luxury and as far as food-stuffs go it's in the top of things that we really should get rid of. Yeah that's what I was trying to say. If we want milk, we'll have beef. But less beef than now. Because non-milk cattle is super wasteful.
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How are u posted:Climate Change is going to end civilization as we know it no matter what. gently caress if I'm going to give up delicious meat in a futile attempt to stop the inevitable.
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Not gangbuster news, but Germany is going ahead with leveling one of their few old-growth forests to build the largest Lignite mine in Europe. Lignite is one of the dirtiest forms of coal out there. But hey, Nuclear is bad, right kids?
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Rime posted:Not gangbuster news, but Germany is going ahead with leveling one of their few old-growth forests to build the largest Lignite mine in Europe. Lignite is one of the dirtiest forms of coal out there. Ask the protestors camping out there if they're ready to bask in the glow of the mighty atom now that it's clear that antinuclear policy has propped up coal and continues to destroy the environment. The reply will be that coal is bad and environmental destruction is also bad, but if it were (not is, clearly you lie about there being problems due to the nuclear exit, you nucular shill) a choice between coal and  atomz, then coal it is.iirc someone else did ask already, and got that reply
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Rime posted:Not gangbuster news, but Germany is going ahead with leveling one of their few old-growth forests to build the largest Lignite mine in Europe. Lignite is one of the dirtiest forms of coal out there. Germanians from the Black Forest wrecked Rome's poo poo constantly. That forest is part of your cultural history, build some nice nuke plants, you've never had an earthquake/tsunami
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noyes posted:goons are weak and selfish jelly men eager to accept any argument, no matter how close it brings them to the void of despair, so long as its hypothesis justifies them continuing to do exactly what they want at the expense of literally everything else on earth
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syscall girl posted:nuke plants, you've never had an earthquake/tsunami It wasn't that long ago that fallout from chernobyl flew over europe and it never had a earthquake or tsunami either, as good as nuclear can be, don't discount human carelessness as a potential risk in these projects.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:don't discount human carelessness as a potential risk in these projects.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:It wasn't that long ago that fallout from chernobyl flew over europe and it never had a earthquake or tsunami either, as good as nuclear can be, don't discount human carelessness as a potential risk in these projects. They were trying to do a safety test but ended up creating a nature preserve. The fauna glows in the dark now but they had good intentions.
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syscall girl posted:The fauna glows in the dark now I loving wish 
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