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logikv9 posted:gently caress those online access codes, gently caress them to hell We've got one of those too in the IMU, and prices are pretty much identical because except for rentals, it's all sold at cost. There's a reason that in any college bookstore you go to, you walk through the merch to get to the books. Also merch is allotted more staff and generally pays better haha
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you can usually just Google the title of the textbook and find 
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Nov 28, 2017 04:02
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For real, some rear end in a top hat is making a loving killing on textbooks but it ain't the bookstores, and I've got it on faith from 3 professors I know who authored the ones they use that it ain't them either, sooooo
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Nov 28, 2017 04:05
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Epic High Five posted:For real, some rear end in a top hat is making a loving killing on textbooks but it ain't the bookstores, and I've got it on faith from 3 professors I know who authored the ones they use that it ain't them either, sooooo
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Nov 28, 2017 04:11
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this exact conversation is why college pushes all but the worst shitheads to the left, btw this conversation right here, and none other
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Willie Tomg posted:this exact conversation is why college pushes all but the worst shitheads to the left, btw well, this conversation and the feminazi liberal commie psyops brainwave transformers that are pumped into every dorm at night
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Nov 28, 2017 04:13
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It's not just textbooks either. Academic journal access is a huge money sink, because even publicly funded research end up being published in privately owned journals, for the prestige factor (and that's how you keep your job as a researcher). They're basically nothing but scientific landlords, charging rent to access the knowledge of humanity, while contributing nothing themselves.
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rudatron posted:It's not just textbooks either. Academic journal access is a huge money sink, because even publicly funded research end up being published in privately owned journals, for the prestige factor (and that's how you keep your job as a researcher). In public university, administrative position ballooned over the past few decades while most actual teaching positions are fielded by adjunct. You see stadiums, student centers, new corporate sponsored being built while states pulling funding. Basically, very little which actually helps students. As my Marxist professor friend of mine said, "It costs almost nothing to put 10-15 people and 1 professor in a room, but yet costs keep going up"
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rudatron posted:It's not just textbooks either. Academic journal access is a huge money sink, because even publicly funded research end up being published in privately owned journals, for the prestige factor (and that's how you keep your job as a researcher). don't know anything about this side of things, but wouldn't this be a departmental expense?
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NNick posted:In public university, administrative position ballooned over the past few decades while most actual teaching positions are fielded by adjunct. You see stadiums, student centers, new corporate sponsored being built while states pulling funding. Basically, very little which actually helps students. Yeah, and actually it's usually like 50 students and an adjunct who is paid, no poo poo, like $22,000 a year.
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Nov 28, 2017 04:27
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Pick posted:Yeah, and actually it's usually like 50 students and an adjunct who is paid, no poo poo, like $22,000 a year. Right, the whole administrative apparatus is used to control and justify this. Their primary purpose is to destroy the unions. There are also a ton of FYGM professors with tenure who couldn't give a poo poo if these schools are going to poo poo and their younger colleagues have to live out of their car.
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From what I've learned from other professors/administrators, the textbook racket goes like this: publishers and the author make the most, then the campus bookstore, then the department that requires the "special edition". The level of funding is in that order, with the departments only making a little bit. My faculty chair said it paid for the travel expenses to conferences, but I suspect *everyone* claims they don't make anything and it's the other guy that is ripping students off.Pick posted:Yeah, and actually it's usually like 50 students and an adjunct who is paid, no poo poo, like $22,000 a year. I make less than $22k a year but the most students I've had in a course is 34. I had to sign a waiver to keep my job because I teach so many classes I'm now technically a full-time employee .
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God bless you, SAuSAugEMaN
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Rand alPaul posted:From what I've learned from other professors/administrators, the textbook racket goes like this: publishers and the author make the most, then the campus bookstore, then the department that requires the "special edition". The level of funding is in that order, with the departments only making a little bit. My faculty chair said it paid for the travel expenses to conferences, but I suspect *everyone* claims they don't make anything and it's the other guy that is ripping students off. I was told that it's a couple bucks per book to the authors, new only of course. It's not nothing to sneeze at of course, but considering the time that goes into creating it, the return can be pretty anemic This is from a guy who runs a nationally lauded program and makes 300k/year, and I'm his favorite tech person, so I trust that he'd have no reason to lie. If it was massively profitable they'd be releasing new editions every year, but what I've noticed lately is that a lot cut special editions with University or local publishers for editions that cost like ~40 bucks. I'm under the impression that people use textbooks that they wrote not because it's profitable, but because they think nobody else in the field has a loving clue what they're talking about
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A shitload of adjuncts are forming unions now because they're tired of being homeless between semesters and getting paid peanuts to do arguably the most important job of a university with no real security it's too late of course, US universities are hosed for a long time
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Nov 28, 2017 05:04
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It took me two years until I realized that I didn't need every book, and that PDFs were (mostly) available
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most important job is football coach actually but nice try
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Either that, or going straight to the library and doing an extended loan on the library's only copy a few days before classes started
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I worked at the library so I just gave myself indefinite loans on books, laptops, cameras etc. I was corrupt as gently caress
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logikv9 posted:Either that, or going straight to the library and doing an extended loan on the library's only copy a few days before classes started I took a summer class once, borrowed the required book from the library, didn't return it until the end of the term, and the late fees were still cheaper than if I bought the book.
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Nov 28, 2017 05:12
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Epic High Five posted:I was told that it's a couple bucks per book to the authors, new only of course. It's not nothing to sneeze at of course, but considering the time that goes into creating it, the return can be pretty anemic I've noticed the special university editions taking over. The old school I taught at has a new one every year and they have a computer code which makes the book's resale worthless. It's such a scam. The current school I'm at uses a textbook that costs like $80 and it's basically telephone book-quality paper.
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Nov 28, 2017 05:27
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A MIRACLE posted:I worked at the library so I just gave myself indefinite loans on books, laptops, cameras etc. I was corrupt as gently caress don’t hate the player
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A MIRACLE posted:I worked at the library so I just gave myself indefinite loans on books, laptops, cameras etc. I was corrupt as gently caress Hell yeah, gently caress low-income students that rely on those resources. 
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the guy who wrote the calculus textbook used by basically every university in the country, Stewart, died a few years ago and i read an obituary that made clear he was loving loaded. rich people signifiers like patron of the arts and architecture enthusiast e: ok heres his wiki page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stewart_(mathematician) quote:In the early 2000s a house designed by Brigitte Shim and Howard Sutcliffe was constructed for Dr. Stewart in the Rosedale neighbourhood of Toronto at a cost of $32 million. He paid an additional $5.4 million for the existing house and lot which was torn down to make room for his new home.[4] Called Integral House (a reference to its curved walls, and their similarity to the mathematical integral symbol), the house includes a concert hall that seats 150. Dr. Stewart has said, "My books and my house are my twin legacies. If I hadn't commissioned the house I'm not sure what I would have spent the money on." Glenn Lowry, director of the Museum of Modern Art, called the house "one of the most important private houses built in North America in a long time."[5] Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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it’s good to be king i made $7.65 an hour it was an annex vet hospital library that never ran out of poo poo to lend so it was hard to feel guilty
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logikv9 posted:It took me two years until I realized that I didn't need every book, and that PDFs were (mostly) available i eventually made it a habit by about year 2 or 3 of flat up walking up to the professor on the first day of class and asking, "which of these books will have required reading or assignments" i think in my final two years of uni i bought maybe three books total
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Shear Modulus posted:the guy who wrote the calculus textbook used by basically every university in the country, Stewart, died a few years ago and i read an obituary that made clear he was loving loaded. rich people signifiers like patron of the arts and architecture enthusiast Yeah the Stewarts and the Makis of the world make bank because their books are standard for thousands of schools and don't change editions for like 5 years minimum. Finite and calculus haven't changed for like 400 years
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Epic High Five posted:don't know anything about this side of things, but wouldn't this be a departmental expense? usually ti's the library budget going to journal subscriptions. people in multiple departments (e.g. chem e, chemistry, materials, physics, bio) may want access to the same pool of journals (Angewandte Chemie/JACS/whatever). it's a serious strain on university library budgets.
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journal publishers are entirely parasitc rent extractors
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NNick posted:In public university, administrative position ballooned over the past few decades while most actual teaching positions are fielded by adjunct. You see stadiums, student centers, new corporate sponsored being built while states pulling funding. Basically, very little which actually helps students. i worked briefly in university administration as an assistant and it is absolutely loving amazing how many fat worthless office slugs are given welfare by college administration networks like normally I'm not the type to begrudge people earning money however they can in this hellsystem of ours, but every last one of these people were sickeningly obese, idiotic, and obsessed with personal relationships and drama and career advancement over actually helping students. that whole office could have been slashed to 10% of what it was and not lost any effectiveness it took me a couple years to finally overcome the misogyny that that job instilled into me. it wasn't even a random fuckoff school, it was a prominent state university, one of the Public Ivies
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america's education system is hilariously hosed up and just..... hosed up rescuing it would necessitate burning it to the ground and starting over from scratch. but then you have to do this for 60 million kids and then welp
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Epic High Five posted:Yeah the Stewarts and the Makis of the world make bank because their books are standard for thousands of schools and don't change editions for like 5 years minimum. Finite and calculus haven't changed for like 400 years A colleague once picked up a 100 year old calculus book from a library sale. Not only did it have the same theory and techniques, even the word problems were identical. Pick up any book more recent than fluxions, download SAGE instead of buying a graphing calculator, and you should be good. E: But good luck getting a syllabus approved with no required texts. Also, I just remembered the stack of at least 12 instructor copies of Stewart in our lounge left over from move-outs/retirements that no one wants. 
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i don't get it, how are they rich as gently caress if their books don't change. i get that everyone uses it, but then at some point aren't there so many copies out there that new ones are rendered unnecessary?
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logikv9 posted:i don't get it, how are they rich as gently caress if their books don't change. i get that everyone uses it, but then at some point aren't there so many copies out there that new ones are rendered unnecessary? get a load of this: the books cost nothing to make and even college students are huge idiots
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logikv9 posted:i don't get it, how are they rich as gently caress if their books don't change. i get that everyone uses it, but then at some point aren't there so many copies out there that new ones are rendered unnecessary?
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SKULL.GIF posted:i worked briefly in university administration as an assistant and it is absolutely loving amazing how many fat worthless office slugs are given welfare by college administration networks
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rudatron posted:Even if the content of the books don't change, the ordering and the specifics of some of the problem sets in the books do change, and if a text is a 'required text' of a course, the professor can set (graded) assignment questions by reference to one or more problems in that book. This was mentioned earlier, but the relatively new game is online access codes. A new book comes with a code you enter at the publisher's website. This code lets you enroll in the instructor's class site* hosted by the publisher. One use per code, naturally. The instructor can assign online homework problems, which are graded automatically by the publisher's server (but they are way too nitpicky with decimal points, if the coded answers are even correct to begin with). This way, the physical textbooks are one time use only. Sometimes, you can even buy an access code to go along with a used book. Why not just run an online homework service separate from the textbooks?  *Instructors can literally copy/paste their sites from other people's classes, and it's just a matter of choosing problems from the book and grade weights anyway.
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SKULL.GIF posted:i worked briefly in university administration as an assistant and it is absolutely loving amazing how many fat worthless office slugs are given welfare by college administration networks Whoa hold on here, they spend fifteen minutes each day looking for a new Dilbert to put up on their office door. Some even think up new jargon-y titles to their position.
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SKULL.GIF posted:america [...] is hilariously hosed up and just..... hosed up i helped !! addition through subtraction. sometimes all a post needs is a little edit
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