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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Over time lots of things stopped needing to be in movies when better places were found to show them. Like how real old movies had weird pointless musical numbers or how so many 80s R rated movies have weird breaks in plots for softcore porn. All three of these things should be brought back, as should the overarching context, in which you pay a single price to watch whatever's programmed and stay for as long as you want.
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K. Waste posted:All three of these things should be brought back, as should the overarching context, in which you pay a single price to watch whatever's programmed and stay for as long as you want. How much will it charge me to stay and watch Trolls like three times in a row, as part of a celebration of the best Western animated film of the decade?
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Nov 27, 2017 04:53
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I didn't care for Trolls at all, I don't get what you people here see in it.
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Nov 27, 2017 04:58
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All I know is that the McElroy Brothers will be in Trolls 2 and that's good enough for me.
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Nov 27, 2017 04:59
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starkebn posted:I didn't care for Trolls at all, I don't get what you people here see in it. It's visually distinctive while remaining coherent and appealing, the writing is funny, the animation itself is expressive and engaging, the overall moral is good if bittersweet, and the music is beautifully performed and really catchy. The theme is strong and the events of the film actually support it, as opposed to having it just told to you. It's a film about belief and perspective and horseshoe theory to an extent. It's like an onion, it has layers. Which reminds me, Pick posted:I overheard someone say, "I'm like the movie Shrek, I have layers" and I was furious all day.
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Nov 27, 2017 05:16
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21 Muns posted:This looks like a pretty basic "gets an hour and a hundred minutes mixed up" mistake, which is pretty easy to make.   
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Nov 27, 2017 05:24
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Pick posted:How much will it charge me to stay and watch Trolls like three times in a row, as part of a celebration of the best Western animated film of the decade? You pay a quarter, you sit down in the theater with the program for Trolls, and you watch it three times. With that program you also get a newsreel or travelogue documentary and an Ice Age short. Presumably the '48 Paramount decision never happened, so it's all Fox owned or licensed stuff, however. If you want to see something actually good, maybe try the MGM or RKO theaters down the block.
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Nov 27, 2017 05:29
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Pick posted:It's visually distinctive while remaining coherent and appealing, the writing is funny, the animation itself is expressive and engaging, the overall moral is good if bittersweet, and the music is beautifully performed and really catchy. Okay, I shouldn't say I can't see how other people like it. But I really didn't like the dialogue and the story didn't interest me.
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Nov 27, 2017 06:15
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starkebn posted:Okay, I shouldn't say I can't see how other people like it. But I really didn't like the dialogue and the story didn't interest me. Real talk, I said it before but the line "You all said I was crazy huh? Well who's crazy now? Me. Crazy prepared." is one of my favorite lines in like. anything. It's so good. Everything Pick said basically, I loved the art style to death, I liked that pink wasn't a color they shied away from. The movie gave me the same kind of like... happy optimistic feelings that Parks and Rec gives me. And for the most part I thought the songs were great. The original song for the movie that Poppie sings is REALLY catchy. And it's basically the only animated movie where the dance party at the end is like... better for it being there. And it's thematically appropriate. Also initially I wasn't too hot on the True Colors segment but it grew on me a TON upon repeated viewings of it to the point where it's one of the best parts of the movie to me now Most complaints I have are minor. I loved the design on the conjoined twins, but all the friends felt very "they are there". The auto-tuned guy and the "ohmygah" guy had nothing to them besides those specific jokes. There's a joke where one of the trolls poops cupcakes that weirdly ends up feeling kind of out of place cause the rest of the movie doesn't really do a joke like that. But all of those are pretty minor complaints overall. The scene inside Bridget's hair while they're on the date is CUTE AS HECK I don't even care Macaluso fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 06:25
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It's obvious that the "friends" were mandatory merchandise that the writers wisely immediately thrust out of the limelight and do not care about at all. (Their entire role could have been filled by Creek alone.) I agree that they're extraneous. I also agree that the cupcake-pooping joke is weirdly out of place. I really mean it when I say "weird". It doesn't fit into how any part of that world works at all and ends up feeling like a trailer-specific joke for a different, worse movie that is somehow in the film. HOWEVER, cloud guy is hilarious. Same with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E6hIQ38q3w One of the most interesting aspects of the film though is you get the sense Poppy's friends, overall, are superficial (and superficial-happy), and that Branch sees through the bullshit and assumes Poppy is also happy in the same unquestioning kind of way, but her optimistic attitude is very carefully reasoned and informed. The interesting thing, though, is that Creek was essentially at Poppy's level--he's philosophical and well-reasoned in his viewpoint as well--but he doesn't prioritize people he considers his philosophical lessers the same way Poppy does. Poppy applies her thoughtfulness and intelligence towards her community, whereas Creek applies it to divest himself of responsibility. Total 180. I'm as adamant that Trolls is a good movie as I am that Bee Movie is a bad one. Pick fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 06:36
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So I've been watching Barbie movies, and there's a recurring frame narrative to these movies where before getting into the film proper, it'll be about Barbie sitting down and telling some kids a story. Pretty standard, right? The thing is, though, that the context of these stories gets increasingly strained circumstantially. So I'm up to Barbie Thumbelina, and the movie begins with Barbie being a... school teacher? Day-care worker?... taking a bunch of kids on a tree-planting field trip. The kids each pick a tree to plant, and the one who picks the small, twiggy Charlie Brown tree gets made fun of. So Barbie sits the tots down and starts regaling them with the tale of Thumbelina, ya know, to teach them how even little things can make a big difference. Nice lesson plan, right? Even ties back into Barbie try'na encourage these kids to get a little more engaged with environmentalism. Here's where Barb starts going off the rails and Thumbelina actually reaches that nice threshold of being mediocre but interesting. Thumbelina and all her fairy friends' home are being threatened by an industrial development project! Investigating the arrival of the contractors, through a series of mishaps, she ends up being the prisoner of the lead developer's daughter, a superficial and smart-phone savvy young lass who's constantly competing with her 'best friend' to appear more affluent and trendy. So, imagine you're screenwriter Elise Allen. How do you choose to convey this? Maybe focus on fashion? Music events, upper echelon soirées, the stuff that's the bread-and-butter of Barbie's upper-middle class fantasy life? Well... what if you had this little girl's best friend being given her own island? What if that island has people on it? This isn't subtle, either. As this little girl is completely unaware that her father is about to displace an entire culture of 'little people' - albeit magical ones - her friend gloats about the fact that her dad bought her and island, casually mentions with some distaste that there are people on it, and then gets over it by saying she'll just go take it over when she's old enough. So in a single anecdote, we get the obliteration of subtext. There is no metaphor, and Barbie has moved on from telling the kids a story about protecting the environment, to a more politically nuanced story that acknowledges imperialism and capitalism as the root cause of environmental ruin, and the primary cost as human. There's other nuanced stuff here, too. For instance, the little girl's father, while certainly wealthy, is 'new money.' He mentions early on that this development project is a big step up for him, that there's likely some financial gossip going around that he can't pull it off. So, again, Barbie is weaving in at least nominal elements of socioeconomic critique, rendering the persecution of Thumbelina and her people as indistinguishable from the aspirational class fantasy of the American Dream.
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Nov 27, 2017 07:22
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K. Waste posted:All three of these things should be brought back, as should the overarching context, in which you pay a single price to watch whatever's programmed and stay for as long as you want. This is called movie-hopping and it's an exceptional way to pass the time in a dead suburb.
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Nov 27, 2017 07:28
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Magic Hate Ball posted:This is called movie-hopping and it's an exceptional way to pass the time in a dead suburb. I'm way too much of a pansy to do this, no matter how bored.
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Nov 27, 2017 07:32
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Also also, I really liked how there were several parts of Trolls where it subverts how things typically go in these movies. The "crazy prepared" line is one of them, but also there's Poppy going "I don't THINK he's alive, I HOPE he's alive" which is such a refreshing change from characters saying "I KNOW he's alive". My brain filled in "I know" and was pretty happy when it didn't go that way. And similarly, I said it before but it was really smart to start the movie showing how much of a threat the Bergen were to the Trolls first, so that when you get to Branch's scene, you don't just side with Poppy and think "yeah this guy is being a crazy doomsday guy for no reason" like movies typically do. Branch is being a total buzzkill but you also are fully aware of why he is so you don't just write him off as being an annoying killjoy as soon as he's introduced.
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Nov 27, 2017 07:40
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Watched Coco, was ok. Very pretty and I liked it (did tear up just before the end) but honestly feels like wasted potential. The universe they created is far, far more interesting than the story they told and while that's usually the norm it really shows in this. I hate the fact that apparently there was a big fat Frozen short instead of even 10 more minutes of Coco to further touch upon the deceased family members or the rules of the afterlife. I think the funniest thing for me was how everything I had ever heard about the movie was "Oh it's a love letter" and "Oh De La Cruz is 100% Pedro Infante" but then Pedro Infante and Jorge Negrete actually appear in the movie as themselves because otherwise people would have been PISSED that the character standing in for them is the bad guy of the movie.
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Nov 27, 2017 07:58
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Cinema Discusso > Animation Thread 2018: "Mom, I don't want to watch Frozen anymore" Does this fit? Because it should be the title.
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Nov 27, 2017 09:14
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Pick posted:They realized it could not possibly compete with the Trolls holiday special because Trolls KICKS rear end! oh shoot, I forgot to watch that. Is it worth tracking down? Is it as surprisingly good as the movie? Or more of a quick cash grab? Waffleman_ posted:All I know is that the McElroy Brothers will be in Trolls 2 and that's good enough for me. The McElroy brothers have been getting a lot of voice acting gigs lately and I like to think it's all because they want to build a reel to submit for Trolls 2.
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Nov 27, 2017 09:33
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It's not as good as the movie but it's pretty good and the conflict is a realistic outcome of clashes in personality and culture. My only real gripe is that there's no really good song.
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Nov 27, 2017 15:55
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Wait Pedro Infante is in Coco? Sigh, fine, ill watch it.
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Nov 27, 2017 17:21
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K. Waste posted:So I've been watching Barbie movies, and there's a recurring frame narrative to these movies where before getting into the film proper, it'll be about Barbie sitting down and telling some kids a story. Pretty standard, right? This sounds like Mothra.
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Nov 27, 2017 18:42
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K. Waste posted:I'm way too much of a pansy to do this, no matter how bored. One of my best high school memories is of my friend and I buying two huge Togo's sandwiches and eating them while movie-hopping - the second movie we saw was Poseidon, and we were all by ourselves (which is weird in retrospect, because it means they were technically playing a movie nobody bought tickets for), so we cackled all the way through it.
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Nov 27, 2017 18:46
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Magic Hate Ball posted:One of my best high school memories is of my friend and I buying two huge Togo's sandwiches and eating them while movie-hopping - the second movie we saw was Poseidon, and we were all by ourselves (which is weird in retrospect, because it means they were technically playing a movie nobody bought tickets for), so we cackled all the way through it. They technically have to play the film even if nobody buys tickets because you don't know if someone is going to buy a ticket after it starts.
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Nov 27, 2017 18:49
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ImpAtom posted:They technically have to play the film even if nobody buys tickets because you don't know if someone is going to buy a ticket after it starts. It's really funny to me that, if we hadn't wandered in with our gigantic sandwiches, the film Poseidon would have played, in its entirety, to nobody, and for no reason.
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Nov 27, 2017 18:53
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Magic Hate Ball posted:It's really funny to me that, if we hadn't wandered in with our gigantic sandwiches, the film Poseidon would have played, in its entirety, to nobody, and for no reason. I worked at a movie theater once and we had to check on the empty theaters during daytime showings to make sure nobody was loving in there because not even the projectionists watch empty theater films.
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Nov 27, 2017 19:00
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ImpAtom posted:They technically have to play the film even if nobody buys tickets because you don't know if someone is going to buy a ticket after it starts. Apparently it varies from theatre to theatre and also on how automated their systems are. Some will play the entire movie, some play at least an hour in case a customer buys a late ticket but stop at that point. If it's a small independent theatre and their projector is still operated by hand I'm sure some of them won't bother starting a film if no tickets got sold.
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Nov 27, 2017 19:04
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This was also back before digital projection, so someone had to load the film platter and everything.
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Nov 27, 2017 19:05
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Mechafunkzilla posted:This sounds like Mothra. I wish, Mothra actually commits. Barbie presents: Thumbelina still works as a kind of compromised satire, but it relies on you actually feeling kind of sorry for the working-class contractors who just end up getting abused and humiliated while the rich girl and her family get to pat themselves on the back and start a nature preserve. A better comparison is Bee Movie.
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Nov 27, 2017 19:09
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Trolls was mostly dopey AMVs, right? Did I just imagine that?
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Wittgen posted:Trolls was mostly dopey AMVs, right? Did I just imagine that? Its a string of AMVs stitched together by a fairly refreshing take on childrens narratives. It also features John Cleese telling a small child he will never know happiness and then never appearing in the film again.
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Nov 28, 2017 20:00
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the only time we actually stop a projector because no one is in the theater is if it's the end of the night and the last person out is going home. Otherwise we just keep the projectors on because we're fuckin' lazy. and on the topic of lazy theater employees you would have to be incredibly obvious and/or incredibly obnoxious to be caught theater hopping (unless you are a 14 year old trying to see a popular R-rated movie, in which case some employees will take great pride in booting you to whatever movie you bought a ticket for).
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As a theater employee if you looked adult I didnt give a poo poo how many films you watched because I wasnt paid enough to care. Conversely lost and found was a joke because your good poo poo was goooooooone.
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Nov 28, 2017 20:38
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From my understanding from friends, they only care if you're underage in an R movie or if you're trying to hop into a blockbuster that sells out quick (your Star Wars, your Marvel)
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Robindaybird posted:From my understanding from friends, they only care if you're underage in an R movie or if you're trying to hop into a blockbuster that sells out quick (your Star Wars, your Marvel) yeah although honestly i think the way we should fix people jumping into sold out shows is find the person who doesn't have a ticket and let whichever person had their spot stolen get a free gut shot or two in. crowd justice instead of making the employees sort that poo poo out.
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https://twitter.com/XEECEEVEVO/status/935628757737422848 I'm down with it.
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DC Murderverse posted:yeah although honestly i think the way we should fix people jumping into sold out shows is find the person who doesn't have a ticket and let whichever person had their spot stolen get a free gut shot or two in. crowd justice instead of making the employees sort that poo poo out. What is it with goon retail stories always ending in people bragging about committing crimes. Like I somehow managed to pay my dues in retail without causing bodily harm and/or committing fraud because people hurt my feelings.
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Wittgen posted:Trolls was mostly dopey AMVs, right? Did I just imagine that? It's held together by a strong thematic thrust  !!And none of the songs are pointless, except maybe the one for the actual troll party near the beginning, but they are having a party so it makes sense that there would be music (like in any film featuring a club scene for example).
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Nov 29, 2017 01:36
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I haven't seen Trolls, but I know its biggest crime is leaving Clint Eastwood off the soundtrack.
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Nov 29, 2017 01:41
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Waffleman_ posted:I haven't seen Trolls, but I know its biggest crime is leaving Clint Eastwood off the soundtrack. ... I hadn't noticed that until now and you're right!  I mean maybe because it's like one verse. It's like 20 seconds worth of the song.
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Nov 29, 2017 03:04
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As someone who didn't care for Trolls at all, the use of "Feel Good, Inc." was actually rather inspired.
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K. Waste posted:As someone who didn't care for Trolls at all, the use of "Feel Good, Inc." was actually rather inspired. ...
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