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Aaaaaand unsurprisingly, the Cebulski news is getting written up in more mainstream outlets. THR, io9, and Vulture have all run articles, and more is apparently coming from Atlantic and Daily Dot. It's fairly clear that Marvel has still not really adapted to a world where stories like this can spread from ultra-niche outlets like BC/CBR/Newsarama to enthusiast-adjacent mainstream press to full-on mainstream press much more easily than was possible, say, five years ago. They're not used to mainstream outlets covering them beyond spoonfed exclusives about the Human Torch dying or whatever.
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What's even the story here? So he used a pseudonym for a person of a different race? I mean, it's not that uncommon. I mean normally, it's a woman pretending to be a man to avoid prejudice or a non-white individual pretending to be white, I've actually done that one since I pass for white since it helps with the job hunt I found, but it's really not that big a deal. Like I said, I've pretended to be white before to help me get a job. I'm not exactly going to get angry at a guy who used a pseudonym. I guess it's a little hosed up with the power dynamics flipped, though. And it probably did cost of the actual Asian guy job. I guess I can actually see where the issues coming out. Since it is easier for a White Guy to get a job than an Asian guy.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:12
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The "actual Asian guy" was a translator he brought in to pretend he was him. He wasn't actually trying to write there. Like I said, I think it's more bizarre than bad, really.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:13
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Covok posted:What's even the story here? So he used a pseudonym for a person of a different race? I mean, it's not that uncommon. I mean normally, it's a woman pretending to be a man to avoid prejudice or a non-white individual pretending to be white, I've actually done that one since I pass for white since it helps with the job hunt I found, but it's really not that big a deal. Like I said, I've pretended to be white before to help me get a job. I'm not exactly going to get angry at a guy who used a pseudonym. I don't have an intimate knowledge of his work so I can't say, but the articles seem to be suggesting that he stole work that would have likely gone to actual Asian writers in another situation and that the material in his work, when you understand it is coming from a white guy pretending to be Japanese, can be offensive.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:22
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If Cebulski had actually issued a full-throated apology that acknowledges that what he did was unprofessional and wrong, instead of a half-assed quasi-apology that falsely presents something he's denied for years as "old news," that would have gone a long way towards defusing this. Hence what I said above about Marvel PR simply not getting how much the media landscape for coverage of nerd culture has changed over the past few years.
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Endless Mike posted:The "actual Asian guy" was a translator he brought in to pretend he was him. He wasn't actually trying to write there. It doesn't say he brought him in.
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I mean I get that the guy is probably racist I seriously don't buy that you can have lunch with someone, who as a translator ostensibly has a good grasp of the English language, and not know who he is Tbh I'm kinda surprised at all the "so the white guy impersonated a person of different ethnicity to steal work from a marginalized class of writers to get around an editorial mandate and lied about it for a decade and went so far as to actively cover it up and now he's the editor in chief what's the big deal" site fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 23:50
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site posted:Tbh I'm kinda surprised at all the "so the white guy impersonated a person of different ethnicity to steal work from a marginalized class of writers to get around an editorial mandate and lied about it for a decade and went so far as to actively cover it up and now he's the editor in chief what's the big deal" Sure if that stuff you half made up had actually happened it would be a much bigger issue.
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Which part did I make up
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KaosMachina posted:Looking back at Fear Itself, the thing that keeps hitting me is it explicitly looks like a toyline tie-in event, yet without a toy line to go with it. There was a huge Heroclix tie-in event that came some time after the storyline ended. We got figures for all of the Mighty and the Worthy. It was pretty rad, all in all.
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KaosMachina posted:Looking back at Fear Itself, the thing that keeps hitting me is it explicitly looks like a toyline tie-in event, yet without a toy line to go with it. It was an awesome heroclix set.
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Aphrodite posted:It doesn't say he brought him in. site posted:Which part did I make up E: Okay, I take this back, there does seem to be some. Endless Mike fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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Nov 29, 2017 01:51
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I just read that Matt Fraction's story about his mixed heritage is total bullshit. Turns out he's not half numerator and half denominator after all. That culturally appropriating piece of poo poo is full blown integer.
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Heathen posted:I just read that Matt Fraction's story about his mixed heritage is total bullshit. Turns out he's not half numerator and half denominator after all. That culturally appropriating piece of poo poo is full blown integer. 
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Covok posted:What's even the story here? So he used a pseudonym for a person of a different race? I mean, it's not that uncommon. I mean normally, it's a woman pretending to be a man to avoid prejudice or a non-white individual pretending to be white, I've actually done that one since I pass for white since it helps with the job hunt I found, but it's really not that big a deal. Like I said, I've pretended to be white before to help me get a job. I'm not exactly going to get angry at a guy who used a pseudonym. Being promoted as, and profiting off an image of, a fresh and foreign PoC voice in comics is skeezy, even if the promoters weren't in the loop. I'm not up on the editorial practices Rich is talking about, but using a proxy to get around company positions on staffers writing comics isn't great, either. If you take C.B. Cebulski at his word, that was an accident. Except instead of turning that down or coming clean when he was offered the work, he tried to cover it up and had someone pose as the Japanese writer. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:https://www.newsarama.com/37425-marvel-countdowns-to-new-infinity-event.html That's a shame. Lim has been consistently boring since forever. A super lazy, poor mans Jim Lee knock-off. He's the guy they shove in when the big gun artist flakes out halfway through the second book.
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In light of the news of the Marvel EIC, this review has become retroactively amazing;
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I have no love for CB Cebulski but I feel like this whole scandal is a total nonissue being blown out of proportion by people who have way too much time on their hands.
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Teenage Fansub posted:https://www.newsarama.com/37425-marvel-countdowns-to-new-infinity-event.html Yeah that is not exciting or pleasing to the eye at all, wtf
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Top Gun posted:I have no love for CB Cebulski Other creatives sure did when his promotion was announced, which is why I'll be a bit bummed if we never get to see the fruits of whatever he would've made of the place. Or at least I'll be curious.
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Top Gun posted:I have no love for CB Cebulski but I feel like this whole scandal is a total nonissue being blown out of proportion by people who have way too much time on their hands.
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Yeah who the gently caress cares about the new EIC blatantly disregarding the rules back in the day and giving a non-apology when caught, I'm sure Marvel will do great under him. That's not even the race part.
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Don't forget the fact that he probably stole ideas from talent he was supposed to scout, which is the "editors don't write" part exists.
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I was reading some old Venom comics, and it got me wondering. Does any of the new Venom stuff, like the Remender series or the Space Knight series ever reference that Venom canonically has the power to go into the internet by stretching his symbiote really thin into the wires?
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Lurdiak posted:Don't forget the fact that he probably stole ideas from talent he was supposed to scout, which is the "editors don't write" part exists. I keep hearing about this one but it seems unsubstantiated?
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Heathen posted:I just read that Matt Fraction's story about his mixed heritage is total bullshit. Turns out he's not half numerator and half denominator after all. That culturally appropriating piece of poo poo is full blown integer. All integers can be expressed as fractions. 
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Sana Amanat (Marvel Director of Content and Character Development, editor and co-creator of Ms Marvel) on C B Cebulski, etc. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/lifestyle/marvel-defends-editor-in-chief-c-b-cebulski-9451614 quote:This is a world he understood. He’s one of my favourite people (and) I think many people who know CB will know that he is one of the most globally minded, and very culturally sensitive as well. That man has lived in Japan, speaks Japanese, and has lived all over the world. He very much associates with Japanese culture. And I think that him writing, for whatever time it was, was him trying to be a writer more than anything else. quote:He is as white as they come but he happens to have a daughter who’s African American. So it meant something to him. We have to stop dismissing people when they want to be able to promote that. Because then we’re actually going to create a deepening dividing line between cultures in a way that is antagonistic. We have to start communicating and not being so angry, Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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This would all be fine if Cebulski wrote those books as C.B. Cebulski or, like, Joe American, or whatever. Unfortunately, he chose not to.
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What are the odds that when Cebulski is fired he's gonna post a Twitter or Facebook rant saying the real reason he faked being asian was because minorities have a unfair advantage over whites and he was the real victim all along?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:What are the odds that when Cebulski is fired he's gonna post a Twitter or Facebook rant saying the real reason he faked being asian was because minorities have a unfair advantage over whites and he was the real victim all along? considering he's married to a Japanese woman I'm guessing "not high"
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I'm confused - is he editor-in-chief yet or was he just announced as the next editor-in-chief? Is Alonso still there?
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm confused - is he editor-in-chief yet or was he just announced as the next editor-in-chief? Is Alonso still there? I'm pretty sure he's editor in chief. The initial announcement for the job said Alonso was stepping down the next day Teenage Fansub posted:Sana Amanat (Marvel Director of Content and Character Development, editor and co-creator of Ms Marvel) on C B Cebulski, etc. Except Bendis wasn't writing under the pen name Djimon Hounsou or whatever when he created Miles Morales Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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Blockhouse posted:considering he's married to a Japanese woman I'm guessing "not high" That.....doesn't seem relevant? Like being married to a minority doesn't mean poo poo.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I was reading some old Venom comics, and it got me wondering. Does any of the new Venom stuff, like the Remender series or the Space Knight series ever reference that Venom canonically has the power to go into the internet by stretching his symbiote really thin into the wires? Like red hood on dc's side, venom is pretty terrible and probably should be killed off/stayed dead.
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