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im loving jonesing real bad for trails 2 for pc over here. that was one hell of a cliffhanger, goddamn
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babypolis posted:im loving jonesing real bad for trails 2 for pc over here. that was one hell of a cliffhanger, goddamn Ending a game like that without the next one coming out immediately should be illegal, imo
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Red Red Blue posted:Ending a game like that without the next one coming out immediately should be illegal, imo i'm pretty sure xseed would drop all of their games on pc immediately if that was physically possible
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The Colonel posted:if you like the part of tales of berseria where all of the most important characters in the main party are women, know that the women in zestiria exist pretty much purely to play second-fiddle to sorey along with everyone else in the world and also it gives you a badass princess and then kidnaps her offscreen seven hours later and she never appears again until you're 40 hours in Also by the time she returns she's missing a central mechanic that makes her utterly worthless in a fight because the other humans can revive themselves with people in reserves but nope, she can't do it. And it's not even a surprise when she comes back because the loving equipment system starts throwing in the one category of weapon she gets randomly into shops before she's back in your party.
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CharlestheHammer posted:That says more about Symphonia than Steel really Until Vesperia came out, there were a lot of Tales fans who insisted Symphonia was the best in the series. Never understood it. babypolis posted:im loving jonesing real bad for trails 2 for pc over here. that was one hell of a cliffhanger, goddamn Check out Trails in the Sky if you haven't already.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Until Vesperia came out, there were a lot of Tales fans who insisted Symphonia was the best in the series. Never understood it. ive played up to TitS SC. ive heard the 3rd is real good but I dunno if I can go back to the TitS combat after playing Cold Steel
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babypolis posted:ive played up to TitS SC. ive heard the 3rd is real good but I dunno if I can go back to the TitS combat after playing Cold Steel 3rd is the best tits game and it's a lot shorter than sc, it's not super difficult and you can always turbo through it now
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How does Beseria work in co-op? Is it secret of mana style where you control characters each or...? I can't tell on the steam page!
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Taear posted:How does Beseria work in co-op? Is it secret of mana style where you control characters each or...? yeah every person control one character during fights
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My Cold Steel comment was in regards to the final two dungeons part and not characters or plot. (Also I like the final dungeon)
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Caphi posted:It has the clumsiest racism theme in the entire series by far Considering what the series has done before, that's a pretty high bar. Has there been any good post-mortems on Zestria? Mr. Fortitude posted:Until Vesperia came out, there were a lot of Tales fans who insisted Symphonia was the best in the series. Never understood it. 1. mostly cause Symphonia was their first Tales of game, I think. Symphonia feels a lot more original and novel until you play the others (mostly Phantasia/Eternia imo) and see that it never really tried very hard. The first act is still kinda novel, but it's also FFX-cliffnotes. 2. The other games that came out in america after it also had some notable flaws that weren't like Symphonia's. Legendia had several big issues that turned people off, despite having some really good moments. Abyss had this thing where a lot of people earlier on (maybe still now?) hated Luke's character in the first arc, while also hating on the games use of specific terminology everywhere; so while Abyss's story was better, people had weird hangups on it for a while. And neither game had significantly better combat; Abyss tried some new things but free run ended up being laughably abusable instead of feeling as dynamic as it should've been, Fof didn't amount to much, and the other base systems aren't much more exciting (other than Mystic Artes being way easier to use, at least, even if they were too easy). I think the goon needle has swung too much in the other way for Symphonia, but I do think the over-praise was mostly just lack of Tales experience within the small subset of games that US had between Symphonia -> Vesperia.
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Is FF15 like FF13 where half the story is in datafiles? Also what are some good newbie tips?
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Getsuya posted:Is FF15 like FF13 where half the story is in datafiles? Also what are some good newbie tips? Phoneposting here, but the Final Fantasy thread has a bunch of tips on the second to last page.
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Ventana posted:Considering what the series has done before, that's a pretty high bar. Has there been any good post-mortems on Zestria? i'm not sure we've gotten any in-depth confirmation but the most plausible story i've heard is that hideo baba, the series producer, was basically going crazy with tales since xillia and was the reason they tried having main character splits and dialog options, and since zestiria was their big anniversary game and they had three years to make it he decided to make it the biggest one yet with two major path splits for alisha and rose and then midway through development everyone realized his plan was literally impossible so they had to scrap something together with what they had
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DisDisDis posted:I'd smoke weed with Magilou obviously Hanging out with Magilou would always be a good time. Tales games are super gay but Zestiria was p gushy about it and that helped me get through the last 50 or so hours. I didn't have to think about the crafting system at all because it didn't matter.
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the zestiria anime is better than the game because half of it is just alisha and rose getting excited together about how badass they've become
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https://twitter.com/HDKirin/status/936612891721007106 I'm guessing this changes a number of publishers for future titles.
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Getsuya posted:Is FF15 like FF13 where half the story is in datafiles? Also what are some good newbie tips? 15 is different in that sometimes the story isn't anywhere at all, because they didn't have time to write it. So if you become confused, just know that it's not your fault.
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It's always felt kind of weird to me how so many Tales games' problems comes down to, "it was rushed/there was not enough time", but I guess my main alternative points of comparison are Falcom w/ Trails who do it by making the games look about one generation behind and Atlus who are just willing to spend a billion years making their flagship titles.
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Nate RFB posted:It's always felt kind of weird to me how so many Tales games' problems comes down to, "it was rushed/there was not enough time", but I guess my main alternative points of comparison are Falcom w/ Trails who do it by making the games look about one generation behind and Atlus who are just willing to spend a billion years making their flagship titles. i mean, that was mainly the problem with more recent tales games and that's just because someone decided it was a good idea to make xillia an 80 hour long jrpg with two main character paths until they realized it was impossible and put out a rushed 30 hour long game with two main characters who's routes awkwardly disconnect sometimes. zestiria has the longest development cycle of any of the games so far and i'm pretty sure that's the moment someone at bamco realized someone on the staff was just not making good decisions with games like symphonia, vesperia and graces it's probably more down to struggling with early 3d game development or just bad writing. tales of legendia was cause it was being made by the loving tekken team and literally nobody had any idea what they were doing and the regular team was in the middle of major restructuring
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Tales games seem to have a consistent problem with establishing their scope ahead of time, like they really want to do a short series of games to fully flesh out their characters but have to blindly scrap 2/3 of their ideas to fit a single game.
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Liver Disaster posted:Tales games seem to have a consistent problem with establishing their scope ahead of time, like they really want to do a short series of games to fully flesh out their characters but have to blindly scrap 2/3 of their ideas to fit a single game. i think berseria and abyss show that they can fit all the important ideas in, just as long as the ideas they decide to maintain aren't the loving insane gimmicky ones that are almost entirely irrelevant to the plot and the characters there's also tales of eternia, which is like half as long as other tales games in general and a way better story than some of them
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Dehry posted:https://twitter.com/HDKirin/status/936612891721007106
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I honestly didn't think their output was large enough to make it worthwhile.
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and tbf Falcom has had to change plans, split games, or cut content themselves due to deadlines or increasing scope, they just presumably have more freedom to do that when they're not owned by a larger game pub.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:But no for real, Persona 5 sort of needed to end the way it ended. It's a weaker narrative if you just let everyone get away with being magic criminals. I agree with this, but I guess my problem is... quote:Society may have problems but if good people work hard maybe we can overcome them? I'm having a lot of problems believing this these days. (No sense getting any further into this in the RPG thread. Just had to get it off my chest)
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Phantasium posted:I'm going to elaborate on this, because I feel like it, and because while the maxim that Zestiria is bad is a true one, I feel like people don't get the full brunt of that anymore and so I present Zestiria's convoluted equipment system which permeates every aspect of the loving game. Christ it's like Kawazu designed it
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ChrisBTY posted:I agree with this, but I guess my problem is... Both the US and Japan have problems with an extremely politically disengaged populace. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable message to send, whatever other issues with tone and messaging P5 may have. It’s a very understandable reaction to the political climate for a writer to have at the very least.
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Pablo Gigante posted:Christ it's like Kawazu designed it Except you can just play on normal and never have to care about any of that, not saying that makes it good but its still a far cry from the worst of Saga's crimes.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Yeah, how dare they try to demonstrate that you can't use magic to solve all your problems. What's that? Society may have problems but if good people work hard maybe we can overcome them? That's terrible, gently caress this game.
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I meant the part where in the middle of their aaa jrpg atlus decided to have two mincing gay stereotypes try to gently caress a teenage boy Thats the part i meant
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The part where they decided having a coherent message and theme was less important than reheating jokes that were old when hard gay was doing them 15 years ago, is the part of p5 where it decided to be a thing that reinforced lovely attitudes held by lovely adults The bit in persona 5 where the director remembered two random inoffensive gay comedians from the 90s that made him so mad he decided they needed to be in his game as gay rapists, is the part of persona 5 i didnt like
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Endorph posted:I meant the part where in the middle of their aaa jrpg atlus decided to have two mincing gay stereotypes try to gently caress a teenage boy Yeah that part was not good
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Are all the villains in P5 rapists?
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Getsuya posted:Are all the villains in P5 rapists? No but at least 3-4 of them are
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Nate RFB posted:It's always felt kind of weird to me how so many Tales games' problems comes down to, "it was rushed/there was not enough time", but I guess my main alternative points of comparison are Falcom w/ Trails who do it by making the games look about one generation behind and Atlus who are just willing to spend a billion years making their flagship titles. Then baba was fired, and berseria, while cheap and obviously slapdash in some areas, didnt have any production issues id describe as glaring. I dont like blaming literally one guy, but making sure the project has a reasonable scope and is finished on time was literally his job. When everything outside of a ds game had gigantic issues with that, and alll had the same producer, and the problem is alleviated when he leaves, well.
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Sakurazuka posted:Except you can just play on normal and never have to care about any of that, not saying that makes it good but its still a far cry from the worst of Saga's crimes. saga's only crime is that in saga frontier 2, enemies have such badly overinflated HP that it can take 10 minutes just to do one encounter in the first area for wil knights. it's not even that strong of a monster, it just has thousands of HP at a point in the game where you're doing double-digit damage. it's also an extremely common enemy in that area oh and that the final boss in both final fantasy legend 3 and romancing saga 3 comes down purely to rng because of stat caps
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The White Dragon posted:oh and that the final boss in both final fantasy legend 3 and romancing saga 3 comes down purely to rng because of stat caps
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