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The Sandman posted:I don't recall it ever being brought up in Automata, but IIRC it continues from Ending E of Nier. Which was this weird sidestory thing involving the tree-computer bringing Brother Nier back. I don’t think that’s true since that story had Emil back as himself hanging out and our Emil is from the lost in the desert into fighting aliens continuity. Wasn’t calling that story ”Ending E” inaccurate anyway? It was just a novella taking place after Ending D
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The Sandman posted:I don't recall it ever being brought up in Automata, but IIRC it continues from Ending E of Nier. Which was this weird sidestory thing involving the tree-computer bringing Brother Nier back. From which ending doesn't even matter. Nier being reborn doesn't matter. All that matters is that the shadow lord expires.
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Caught up and lol at anyone who feels sad about Pascal or Yoko Taro games. The tragedy is so over-the-top that you have laugh. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I’m not jaded enough to avoid getting sad. Even the crazy sappy dog story from Nier got to me
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Caught up and lol at anyone who feels sad about Pascal or Yoko Taro games. The tragedy is so over-the-top that you have laugh. Yeah, emotions, right? What kind of sucker feels things? Jaded disconnect from everything is the only way to win at life.
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chiasaur11 posted:Yeah, emotions, right? Emotions are prohibited.
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chiasaur11 posted:Yeah, emotions, right? Amusement is an emotion.
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Dec 1, 2017 12:25
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Every now and again I click on BOTL's post to see what's hidden by that "jerk detected" and every single time it proves to be a mistake.
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At least he's not the guy, whoever that was, way back at the start of the thread who was all "Look like humans, talk like humans, feel pain and hope and despair like like humans. Not actually humans? I CAN'T EMPATHIZE WITH THIS AND YOU'RE WEIRD IF YOU DO  "
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Caught up and lol at anyone who feels sad about Pascal or Yoko Taro games. The tragedy is so over-the-top that you have laugh.
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Parts Kit posted:Yeah I cracked up pretty bad at the kid bot suicide pact. I knew something was going to happen to them because it's Yoko Taro but that was just too much. maybe in that instance But I'd find it pretty rough to laugh at a lot of other scenes like what happened with 2B and 6O
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The children suiciding was a bit over the top, but I remember recoiling in horror when Pascal was selling their parts
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Zoe posted:Just caught up on the last two updates. It's even better though when you think about it. Devola and Popola are being blamed for the entirety of Project: Gestalt going pear-shaped because the androids have an incomplete record of events... ...because you erased Murder-dad from existence (and presumably the Shadowlord with him) So, good on you for getting 100% completion in Nier: g/r. You imbecile. You loving moron.  edit: someone else had the same conclusion I did, whatevs. SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Dec 1, 2017 14:15
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To be fair the Devola and Popola from that game were huge screw-ups for even letting Nier get as far as he did
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I get the impression the android command Illuminati knows the deal but androidkind can be just as petty as humanity about finding and tormenting scapegoats
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Danaru posted:The children suiciding was a bit over the top, but I remember recoiling in horror when Pascal was selling their parts I had the opposite reactions. I stopped scrolling for a minute on that close-up of Pascal about to see the corpses, because clearly something awful was about to happen, and I even got a little teary-eyed watching the video. But Pascal's shop gave me a rueful chuckle and a lingering grin. 
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DeafNote posted:To be fair the Devola and Popola from that game were huge screw-ups for even letting Nier get as far as he did They could have headed off the entire tragedy at basically any point, but didn't because they were too busy with wine and song.
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Tunicate posted:They could have headed off the entire tragedy at basically any point, but didn't because they were too busy with wine and song. To be fair their drunk singing is incredible.
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It's been a while since I read the LP, but wasn't Project Gestalt basically collapsing at that point because the Replicants had developed personalities? I feel that Devola and Popola's whole plan was a Hail Mary pass from the very beginning. Sadly the Hail Mary resulted in a Pick-Six worthy of  , but that's what sometimes happens in a desperation play.
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Replicants attaining consciousness, the Shadowlord stopped providing the "keep Replicants from going berserk" poo poo and kidnapping Yonah. There were a bunch of catastrophe curves that Devola and Popola were trying to get ahead of.
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To be fair even Shadowlord was kinda justified finally deciding "gently caress this" and taking matters into his own hands having sat in an abandoned audience hall for hundreds of years being told "yeah sit tight we'll cure Yonah some day"
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This thread was just having a massive debate about whether a mind-wiped Pascal would go on to make the same mistakes and now you're all confused that people would blame an entire series of identical androids because one pair of them screwed up?
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Yes.
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It's the exact same situation. They're identical, at their base state, to the one that screwed up. They're not people, they're machines, they're equipment. Look at that Samsung phone that started catching fire recently, sure yours might not have caught fire but you wouldn't walk around with it in your pocket all day because it's the exact same model as all those other phones that did, and what if...
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Dabir posted:It's the exact same situation. They're identical, at their base state, to the one that screwed up. They're not people, they're machines, they're equipment. Look at that Samsung phone that started catching fire recently, sure yours might not have caught fire but you wouldn't walk around with it in your pocket all day because it's the exact same model as all those other phones that did, and what if... They are unlikely to screw up again in that particular way, though, and could be allocated to positions outside of project administration, as has been done.
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Dabir posted:It's the exact same situation. They're identical, at their base state, to the one that screwed up. They're not people, they're machines, they're equipment. Look at that Samsung phone that started catching fire recently, sure yours might not have caught fire but you wouldn't walk around with it in your pocket all day because it's the exact same model as all those other phones that did, and what if... well a phone doesnt benefit from 'learning' which I assume is the least these android AIs are capable of
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Dabir posted:It's the exact same situation. They're identical, at their base state, to the one that screwed up. They're not people, they're machines, they're equipment. Look at that Samsung phone that started catching fire recently, sure yours might not have caught fire but you wouldn't walk around with it in your pocket all day because it's the exact same model as all those other phones that did, and what if... Way to totally miss the entire point of a story about humanity in synthetic beings, agency and existential angst.
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It's how the other characters in their world see them. Hell Popola and Devola in Nier didn't seem to think they had souls.
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Dabir posted:It's the exact same situation. They're identical, at their base state, to the one that screwed up. They're not people, they're machines, they're equipment. Look at that Samsung phone that started catching fire recently, sure yours might not have caught fire but you wouldn't walk around with it in your pocket all day because it's the exact same model as all those other phones that did, and what if... No, they're androids. Machines are the enemy. They have nothing in common with human made androids, and suggesting otherwise is treason.
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Dabir, I like you, but you're kinda missing the point here. That was not *this* set of Devola/Popola. They're being blamed for something that they, this unique pair of Devola/Popola, did not do. The "cellphones catching fire" argument is dumb; your cellphone doesn't have the ability to think and hope for things to get better. It can't feel bad for the other models catching fire, and feel guilt for being the same model.
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Dabir posted:It's how the other characters in their world see them. Hell Popola and Devola in Nier didn't seem to think they had souls.
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If they'd told NieR how to cure Yonah he would have dunked Weiss into Noir so hard it would put 9S to shame.
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Mazerunner posted:No, I don't think they've mentioned that I haven't played the game, so don't take any of my posts as spoilerish. I can edit it anyway if it is a problem Dabir posted:It's the exact same situation. They're identical, at their base state, to the one that screwed up. They're not people, they're machines, they're equipment. Look at that Samsung phone that started catching fire recently, sure yours might not have caught fire but you wouldn't walk around with it in your pocket all day because it's the exact same model as all those other phones that did, and what if... I get what you're trying to say. It's like Muslims in America, a lot of people (including some in my family) can't get past the actions of the few and see that individuals are highly complex and unique, and just reduce everyone in the group to them. In short, androids are racist against certain models instead of certain colors. Makes me wonder if there will be a pariah character descended from YorHa in the next game. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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popola and devola are being treated the same way you'd treat twin clones of hitler
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Tunicate posted:popola and devola are being treated the same way you'd treat twin clones of hitler But nobody has a gun bigger than Superman. Or even a ridiculous Santa beard!
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Dabir, I like you, but you're kinda missing the point here. That was not *this* set of Devola/Popola. They're being blamed for something that they, this unique pair of Devola/Popola, did not do. Yeah, I know that, and you know that, but in-universe, that's how they're seen. Obviously these two can't destroy the Gestalt project again and double doom humanity, but as far as anyone else is concerned, they don't know the details, they just know that Devola And Popola hosed Up. If one Devola and Popola had the capacity to gently caress Up, then these two do too. chiasaur11 posted:No, they're androids. Yes machine as in mechanical device, not as in machine lifeform. I was going to say 'parts' and compare it to a defective model of airplane bolt or something but I went with the phone thing instead.
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McFetusBurger posted:
lmfao gently caress
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To be honest while I like Popola and Devola, the idea that the originals somehow "screwed up" has never really sat well with me, and it's mainly because of how the first Nier was written. The two didn't make a mistake anywhere, they just randomly decided to make a plan that blatantly did the exact opposite of what they wanted because ?? and putting a spotlight on that doesn't really make it seem any less stupid. In fact it just reminds me of how little sense any of that made, and also that Grimoir Noir sounded like the evilest person ever for absolutely no reason.
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