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Al-Saqr posted:Yes it is wrong. nobody in any sector of society should be subjected to any kind of jackbooted thugs, especially jackbooted thugs who are also rapists and anti-semites and mass murderers like the dogs of the Egyptian regime. if america gets to have it's fair share of kooks and crazies who go about their business making peoples lives miserable in a free and open society, then other people from around the world should as well. This guy deserves to be fined and punished for what he's done and said, but to actively cheer on people who dont give two shits about any kind of humanity just because they've decided to target conservatives you dont like is not a good attitude to have. i know. i am sorry. i know its facism and Al zawahiri is symptom/product of it. i didnt mean to defend sisi or his facist shithead rape regime. i just want to see some loving punishments for assholes for once. i guess Martin Niemöller really was right. if facism happens to people you hate, you don't mind it. sorry i was an rear end.
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Honestly that Wahsh guy looks pretty fascist to me. When someones says it's a patriotic duty to assault people because of how they look? They're 100% a fascist. It's science.
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This is very probably a big turning point in the Yemen conflict and will probably mean a big reversal in the houthis fortunes:- https://twitter.com/think_b1g/status/937063552812290049
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Welp maybe I spoke too soon when I dismissed any hope of victory for the coalition. There's been noise for sometime now about tension between Saleh and the Houthi, the country's politics is so darn opaque it's hard to get a handle on what's happening on the ground. A deal with Saleh might be just what the Saudis need to declare victory and get out. Every faction in Yemen is just so unsympathetic. Whatever happens the people lose.
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Squalid posted:Welp maybe I spoke too soon when I dismissed any hope of victory for the coalition. There's been noise for sometime now about tension between Saleh and the Houthi, the country's politics is so darn opaque it's hard to get a handle on what's happening on the ground. A deal with Saleh might be just what the Saudis need to declare victory and get out. The whole yemen conflict is under a similar dynamic as the syrian one, it's purely a conflict between counter-revolutionary forces who worked to undermine, manage and destroy the people who actually carried out the protests in the first place. If Saleh beats the Houthis he's essentially won back power and won against the millions who protested against his rule in february 2011, the country will have come out not only ruined, starved and cholera ridden with countless dead, but with Saleh back in the center of power. It's the Yemeni people who ultimately lost since none of their goals or desires for change will have been met, and now theres the precedent of them being so abused as we see here if they step out of line. Because as you know, to the arab regimes there's literally no difference between a protester and a terrorist, or in the case of yemen the causes belli of whatever rotten edifice takes control is going to use the houthis as a cudgel against solving the real ills of the country. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Dec 2, 2017 |
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meanwhile in secularism:- https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/937043866577973248 wow so secular.
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I'm more curious how anyone is loyal to Saleh. How many groups has he used to try and reclaim power?
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Aurubin posted:I'm more curious how anyone is loyal to Saleh. How many groups has he used to try and reclaim power? he's loyal to himself and his tribe is loyal to him, his tribe also happens to be the republican guard of the army. he's made himself too valuable to not have as an asset to whomever needs it.
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Al-Saqr posted:Be for freedom no matter who it benefits and against fascism no matter who it targets. Al-Saqr, you get a lot of poo poo from people, but I think you're great.
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Al-Saqr posted:meanwhile in secularism:- its probably to get to the more "moderate" salafits to back them or some poo poo like that. then again fascists hate sexual expression in any form.
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Squalid posted:Welp maybe I spoke too soon when I dismissed any hope of victory for the coalition. There's been noise for sometime now about tension between Saleh and the Houthi, the country's politics is so darn opaque it's hard to get a handle on what's happening on the ground. A deal with Saleh might be just what the Saudis need to declare victory and get out. If you're truly into Yemen analysis, try reading the South Yemen Republic magazines and figure out how Saleh is planning to mess Aden up.
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Svartvit posted:If you're truly into Yemen analysis, try reading the South Yemen Republic magazines and figure out how Saleh is planning to mess Aden up. I used to try reading the occasional article from Yemeni publications to follow the war. I got kind of tired because it's always "yesterday government forces killed one billion Saudi mercenaries," and it's just like wut, at least make the propaganda plausible. Anyway is there any specific outlet you had in mind? No western sources ever cover the kind of personal or clan politics that are actually useful for understanding a conflict like Yemen.
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Al-Saqr posted:he's loyal to himself and his tribe is loyal to him, his tribe also happens to be the republican guard of the army. he's made himself too valuable to not have as an asset to whomever needs it.
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Why the hell did the British split Yemen in the first place?
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Grouchio posted:Why the hell did the British split Yemen in the first place? What gave you the impression that they split the country in the first place? Instead of coming here with tedious and trivial questions have you should consider glancing at a wikipedia page first. Yemen is one of those countries that seems to function like a pit trap for over ambitious empires, much like Afghanistan.
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these are just tweets but Saleh's uprising doesn't seem to be going according to plan. https://twitter.com/ammar82/status/937321274837229568 https://twitter.com/rawanssa18/status/937299468193619968 https://twitter.com/RawanSSA18/status/937301183764541441?s=17 https://twitter.com/ammar82/status/937251706106253312 https://twitter.com/ammar82/status/937299410991665152 Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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Grouchio posted:Why the hell did the British split Yemen in the first place? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=history+of+yemen
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Whatever Saleh is up to, th next few days will either end up with the last card the saudi coalition had being executed or the tide will finally turn in Saleh's favor, but things so far not looking good, houthis reclaimed many many of the bases and outposts, quickly raided salehs friends homes and blew them up, have taken the TV station saleh broadcasted his uprising from, and from these unsubstantiated tweets he's fighting a kind of last stand, the only thing that might save him is if the saudi bombing saves him, so we'll find out soon enough. https://twitter.com/ammar82/status/937363688209747971?s=17 https://twitter.com/ammar82/status/937371851508076544?s=17 also this seems quite dubious but aljazeera is reporting that Saleh is asking for Iran and Hizbullah to mediate between him and the houthis, if this is really the case he hosed up harder than I thought. https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/937304302275608576 also loooool friedman is such a bitch I hope he's actually taking bribes because holy poo poo there's nothing sadder than being a dictators chump for free:- https://twitter.com/ArabiaFdn/status/937376362469494784 Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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"The potential of being a giant disaster area?" It's like the "This Is Fine" but the dog is saying "Could be worse, the house could be on fire" before dying. I can't breathr, stop man, you are loving killing me, that's not the kind of thread where i expect to laugh! I am sorry he is paving your country into hell with his childish good intentions Al-Saqr.
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Al-Saqr posted:Whatever Saleh is up to, th next few days will either end up with the last card the saudi coalition had being executed or the tide will finally turn in Saleh's favor, but things so far not looking good, houthis reclaimed many many of the bases and outposts, quickly raided salehs friends homes and blew them up, have taken the TV station saleh broadcasted his uprising from, and from these unsubstantiated tweets he's fighting a kind of last stand, the only thing that might save him is if the saudi bombing saves him, so we'll find out soon enough. I have to give some credit to the Houthis, they seemed to have been really prepared (it is a case of Iranian advisors be really on the ball?). Maybe it isn't curtains for Saleh quite yet, but it is a bit of a mystery why his forces weren't better prepared. I get the Saudis have no idea what is going on, but you would think the Republican Guard would have some clue about the relative balance of forces in the capital. I guess I expect incompetence, but maybe not a suicidal level of it. quote:also loooool friedman is such a bitch I hope he's actually taking bribes because holy poo poo there's nothing sadder than being a dictators chump for free:- Yeah, this looking like it is happening at the Saban forum at Brookings. DC is like living in an alternate dimension, and you can say the most inane poo poo and people will clap their hands off for you. It isn't an especially fun place for someone actually knowledgeable. That type of poo poo happens all the time.
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It could be Saleh was anticipating the Houthis turning on him (dictators are paranoid) and this "uprising" was a desperation move.
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Duckbox posted:It could be Saleh was anticipating the Houthis turning on him (dictators are paranoid) and this "uprising" was a desperation move. It seems like it would have been better to leave the capital in that case considering how fast the Houthis have moved in the city or at least have a better battle plan. It seems to have both a huge tactical and strategic misjudgment. Also, even if Saleh is able to hold on, there is the issue is how he reconciles with the multitude of other factions across Yemen.
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Bip Roberts posted:So here's a question about the S-400. If you have one of the systems do you ever turn on the radar before you want to shoot something down? I assume you don't just run the state-of-the-art radar system 24/7 as a search radar because it would open up the system to countermeasures and attack? Is there a case now where Syria has much more modern air defense systems but has to hold them in reserve for true war scenarios vs. one-off raids? e: A modern air force would use Airborne Early Warning planes to figure out if there's something worth turning on the search radar for, but unless the Russians have gifted the SAAF some I don't believe they have any AEW. Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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welp http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/yemens-ex-president-saleh-killed-house-bomb-hours-after-breaking-away-houthis-1650043 DEAD BODY NSFW https://twitter.com/The_NewArab/status/937660558014406656 Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Looks like it's him, moles and blemishes match to earlier photos. https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/937661475245756416
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I am actually a bit loss of words on this one, I really didn't think it would shift this fast. We (and I guess the Saudis) must be completely and totally under-estimating the Houthis here. I know Al-Arabiya within the last 12 hours was still releasing stories that Saleh was consolidating control over central Sanaa. It is bizarre in a bit of a terrifying way. How much do we actually know what is happening? How much are we just being gaslit? It looks like this was taken somewhere outside the city. The narrative I am going with knew his position in Sanaa was going to be overrun, attempted to make it to the south, and hit a Houthi roadblock on the way. On a more macabre point, It looks like he was shot execution style. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Holy loving poo poo. this is a real disaster for the KSA forces, now nothing will end this war short of all Yemenis dying or a physical invasion of the country. What was saleh thinking?!?!? What the gently caress is it with these loving bumbling oafs in the gcc who can't plan further than their nose?!?! Holy cow those Iranians and hezbollah advisors don't gently caress around, they really knew how to bounce back from what I thought was going to be a GCC coup when saleh announced his uprising. I'm really flabbergasted and amazed at how quickly saleh hosed up, wow I wasn't expecting him to die like this. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Sinteres posted:The Houthis seem to be claiming that they launched a cruise missile toward a nuclear reactor in Abu Dhabi, but there seems to be some dispute on whether or not the released video is authentic. The reactor's fine in any case, but the missile shown was a relatively new Iranian model, so if the Houthis actually did fire it, it means Iran is shipping them pretty sophisticated missiles they can't credibly claim to have scrounged up in a pre-war stockpile. The video might just be from Iran though I honestly can't imagine Iran is thrilled by that choice of target. Generic Monk posted:welp Thank god the State Department is operating at peak efficiency these days :laughingthatturnsintocrying: Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I honestly can't imagine Iran is thrilled by that choice of target. Yeah. Even if the Houthis didn't really do it, saying they did seems really stupid. Of course there's hypocrisy about some nations' infrastructure being legitimate targets while other nations' infrastructure is off limits, but threatening a civilian nuclear reactor is begging to be labeled a nuclear terrorist.
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RIP Saleh. One can only dance on the heads of snakes so long before being bit.
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Squalid posted:RIP Saleh. One can only dance on the heads of snakes so long before being bit. Ah you saw Scahill's tweet as well.
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