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MikeJF posted:The Klingon guy is almost a secondary antagonist, the bad guy for discovery is ambiguously the captain and the bit's more about leading up to the consequences for the guy in the cube who was running the drive and also Burnham's plot over on the ship. Discovery jumping around and clowning them isn't really the payoff. Yeah it is, that whole episode's plot is "we have to figure out how to defeat the klingon cloak or trillions will die!!!111!" Or was it "that planetwide intelligence has set up a peace summit, we have a unique chance to end the war and to hell with these clueless bureaucrats"? No no, it was "we screwed with that planet, now we have a duty to protect it"? Something like that.
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McSpanky posted:Yeah it is, that whole episode's plot is "we have to figure out how to defeat the klingon cloak or trillions will die!!!111!" Or was it "that planetwide intelligence has set up a peace summit, we have a unique chance to end the war and to hell with these clueless bureaucrats"? No no, it was "we screwed with that planet, now we have a duty to protect it"? Something like that. Yeah but the main tension from that sequence came from the cut-out burnham material. Plus, saving trillions of lives is almost a secondary plot point in discovery to wow aren't these characters tortured and also crossing too many lines ...okay yeah it's not great. But it's not as bad as that first assessment. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Dec 4, 2017 15:31
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I preferred when people falling over each other to give their hot takes on complaining about Discovery was kept in the Discovery thread.
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thexerox123 posted:I preferred when people falling over each other to give their hot takes on complaining about Discovery was kept in the Discovery thread. Are you not aware of the Klingon proverb that tells us that criticism is a dish that is best served cold? And it is very cold on All Accessssss
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Dec 4, 2017 15:43
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Why is Discovery cutting stuff out to fit in a network 42 minutes? They do realize they are on streaming services right?
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Dec 4, 2017 15:49
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Why is Discovery cutting stuff out to fit in a network 42 minutes? They do realize they are on streaming services right? It is airing on TV in some international markets. It airs on Space here in Canada.
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Dec 4, 2017 15:50
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If you nerds think the festivities onboard the discovery is too much to handle, you wouldn't last a day aboard the USS partyship Sutherland
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Dec 4, 2017 15:50
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It took me 5 seasons to give up on Voyager. It took me one season to give up on Enterprise, although I came back. I gave up on Discovery after 3 episodes and nothing I've seen is doing anything to change my mind this time.
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Dec 4, 2017 15:53
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"powering up engines!" *Oooontz oontz oontzoontzoontz"
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:It took me 5 seasons to give up on Voyager. It took me one season to give up on Enterprise, although I came back. I gave up on Discovery after 3 episodes and nothing I've seen is doing anything to change my mind this time. Imagine your loss if you gave up on TNG after three episodes. Not saying STD will be anywhere near as good. I'll be thrilled if it ends up as good as ENT, but that seems needlessly final.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Why is Discovery cutting stuff out to fit in a network 42 minutes? They do realize they are on streaming services right? If you mean what I'm saying about cutting, that was the youtube uploader.
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I think discovery is cool and fun and probably one of my favorite star treks to date 
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Dec 4, 2017 16:28
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Please don't date Star Treks.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The swooping was even more gratuitous in the other clip I've seen of the show. Honestly, Jeb, this is just a sort of Super Picard Maneuver that only that ship is capable of due to a special magic space mushrooms hyper-tech ship-teleporting gadget built into it. It only does it the one time here, and it's a plot-critical moment. ...now, everything I just wrote up there is accurate and true, and would be fine, really, but the problem is that the people doing the show's effects went a little too far in dwelling on it to show off their effects, which had the opposite effect, all told. Most of Discovery's space combat has actually been fairly decent (though I'm not a fan of the assault-rifle phasers all the Starfleet ships have now (rather than sustained beams), even though I liked the Defiant's in DS9), over all, this aside. Discovery isn't as bad as it was in the first two episodes! Even the party wasn't THAT bad, and I say that as someone who really didn't, like, enjoy watching it. The ARE TROOPS speech even kind of makes sense, given that it's a wartime Starfleet, and these people are losing friends and former academy classmates and peers and whatnot on a regular basis. There's a similar speech or two in DS9 (also a wartime Starfleet for part of it) which was much better, but that comes down more to it not being the first season, when we still barely KNOW or much care about any of these characters. It's certainly not great Star Trek, I'd call it...adequate, with potential, and a terrible pilot. I've been enjoying it (post-pilot) more the vast majority of Enterprise and huge swathes of Voyager, anyway (which is damning with some pretty drat faint praise, as you hopefully understand someday). (also, watch DS9 when you're done with TNG, your liveposting made this my favorite thread on SA when I first saw it here back in the summer, and was a not-tiny factor in my eventually deciding to register)
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The Bloop posted:Imagine your loss if you gave up on TNG after three episodes. I don't think I stuck with it very well in the first 2 seasons, although I was 10 then, so from that long ago it's difficult to remember accurately now. If it weren't for The Orville as a contemporary point of comparison, I might have been slightly more willing to give Discovery some slack. If it gets to season 3 and suddenly becomes as good as TNG, show me some clips and we'll talk, but right now... I've got better things to do.
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Yeah, there is no need for me to force myself to watch bad Trek(STD) when Orville exists.
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Peachfart posted:Yeah, there is no need for me to force myself to watch bad Trek(STD) when Orville exists. Enjoy your bickering divorcees.
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Dec 4, 2017 17:35
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You should indeed not "force yourself" to watch a show you don't enjoy, but jfc it's possible to watch two things.
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thexerox123 posted:Enjoy your bickering divorcees. Believable character conflict? Not in MY Star Trek *watches Michael Burnham wrestle a waterbear*
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:If it weren't for The Orville as a contemporary point of comparison, I might have been slightly more willing to give Discovery some slack. This is how I feel; Discovery is an unusually-topped pizza, which is strange but overall tasty. Thing is, the Orville brought a classic, greasy pepperoni-and-cheese pizza. Which is what everyone who came for pizza was really hoping for.
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TOS is cheese pizza. TNG is sausage and mushroom. DS9 is anchovies and pickled peppers. Voyager is a greasy pepperoni. Enterprise is half a plain deep dish. Discovery is vegetarian barbecue pizza. Orville is sausage and mushroom, but it's square. TAS is tuna and corn.
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Arglebargle III posted:TOS is cheese pizza. I can’t tell if you have bad pizza opinions or bad Trek opinions or both
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Well, now I have to do mine. TOS is classic cheese. TNG adds pepperoni. DS9 swaps in salami and quattro formaggio. VOY is pepperoni again, but it's so underbaked that the cheese is just melted and the pepperoni is floppy. ENT goes for buffalo chicken but doesn't make enough for everyone. DIS brought a fancy white garlic pizza but drowned it in so much truffle oil it borders on inedible.
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Arglebargle III posted:TOS is cheese pizza. I hate and disagree with every single thing in this post.
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Dec 4, 2017 18:11
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CLEARLY DS9 is a calzone.
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Start Truck TNG is a Digionio pepperoni pizza, The Orville is Red Baron, Discovery is Amy's kitchen gluten free veg. DS9 is a big old Stromboli Voyager is Totino's party pizza, Enterprise is store brand party pizza. TOS is half a Freschetta and half a hungry Howie's. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Into Darkness is a pizza topped with ravioli
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My brother and I have referred too the stupid as gently caress single-nacelle starships as the Cannoli Class for well over a decade now. That seems relevant for some reason.
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Into Darkness is a big cheap frozen pizza that somebody topped with chopped-up little pieces of a real, reheated New York slice.
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Well, now I have idea of an Italian Enterprise for a party, with a pizza saucer, stromboli stardrive, and cannoli nacelles.
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Star Trek discovery is a milk shake. The pizza analogies in this thread are a really bad pizza.
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I remember years ago there used to be a pizza joint near the university I was going to called the Blind Onion. It had pretty decent pizza-by-the-slice and was cheap and had a nice lived-in feel, so I loved it. Then they closed, presumably someone else bought the business, and renamed it Gutbusters and wrecked the decor, but I decided to give it a try one day anyway. The pizza was almost inedible, it was the worst pizza I've ever had. I don't mean "worst pizza I've ever had from a restaurant", I mean every frozen pizza I've ever had was better than the dogshit they were serving. On the Star Trek scale I'm pretty sure that Gutbusters was basically Nemesis
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Nemesis is a raw potato drenched in marinara.
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STD is a lovely frozen pizza with a hastily scribbled drawing of the Enterprise on the box Seriously what a trash show, it's not 1987 anymore there are at least two other space operas on tv these days dunking on it in every way Like even if the next season is more coherent they're still stuck with these mostly poo poo characters, gently caress em
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:
That is remarkable in its precision.
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Insurrection is one too-small reheated bagel pizza made by your weird aunt sprinkled with some of her herbal supplements that she says will do wonders for your skin
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Nah...TOS is classic pepperoni. TNG is classic pepperoni with added mushrooms, green peppers, etc. Voyager is Sbarro.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Nah...TOS is classic pepperoni. TNG is classic pepperoni with added mushrooms, green peppers, etc. So TNG is supreme! Sounds right to me.
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Enterprise is them going back to the drawing board to make an original, from-scratch pie, but they got scared they were loving it up so halfway through they started haphazardly throwing in stuff from the old pepperoni and supreme classic recipes
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