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Significant Ant posted:Can someone, very briefly, please explain to my why TCM is still a thing in China? Imagine if, separate from internationally recognized evidence-based medicine, there was a kind of medicine that was called “American Traditional Medicine” that was based on old wives’ tales. Now imagine that other countries tried to tell America that ATM was bullshit. How prevalent do you think it would be? If you answered “all over the place and widely believed in” then congratulations, you understand.
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Warbadger posted:Mao. To expand slightly, TCM had been on the outs and the Nationalists even started banning it as primitive superstition unworthy of existence in the new modern China, but after Mao there weren't any doctors left whoops so they had to come up with some bullshit and revived TCM. It's not exclusively this, as it's still very much alive in other Sinosphere countries that did not have a CCP, but it is much less pervasive. Korea is what I'm thinking of, they def have crazy rear end traditional medicine poo poo (only it is, of course, Korean Traditional Medicine NOTHING TO DO WITH CHINA PLEASE) but it's not as in your face. People's individual medical beliefs are loving insane just like China but if you go to an actual doctor you get actual medicine instead of cockroach powder, you don't have to go shopping around for modern medical science.
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Grand Fromage posted:To expand slightly, TCM had been on the outs and the Nationalists even started banning it as primitive if you go to an actual doctor you get actual medicine instead of cockroach powder, you don't have to go shopping around for modern medical science. this is 100% because of the American (and Russian) occupations. The first real Korean doctors were all trained by the US (and soviet) military.
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The CCP also just about jerked themselves raw a few years ago when a Chinese doctor won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for helping to develop a malaria drug that was loosely based on a TCM folk remedy. Massive face gain aside, they took it as lock stock and barrel validation of TCM by the international community (but please don't ask us about Liu Xiaobo's Nobel Peace Prize thankyouverymuch). The difference being IIRC they isolated the one compound in the stew of crap that actually had a bit of an effect, ran scientific clinical trials, and then synthesized a drug that had the same effect only much, much stronger. Whereas true TCM believers will handwave away the entire concept of the scientific method and clinical trials because its effects can't be measured that way something something. 
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Also Chinese bodies are just different from Western ones and thus need different kind of medicine, of course you wouldn't understand. The really infuriating part is that it's bullshit like this that has made otherwise sane people I know to start referring to "Western medicine" as if there was a plethora of actually reputable culturally different approaches to medical science that you can just pick and choose from. When I remind them that there is just medical science, period, and what little in TCM/Ayurveda/whatevs actually works can be better explained and corroborated by actual scientific methods, I get flustered looks and accusations of racism. gently caress you, CCP and TCM, for making us all collectively dumber.
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Known Lecher posted:The difference being IIRC they isolated the one compound in the stew of crap that actually had a bit of an effect, ran scientific clinical trials, and then synthesized a drug that had the same effect only much, much stronger. Yep. There was a plant in the traditional herbal pharmacopoeia which contained an effective anti-malarial chemical, and it was isolated and used. The thing is that TCM is this entire system of magical bullshit. What that scientist did was go through a number of old herbal remedies, scientifically testing them to see if there were actual effective medicines in there. That chemical worked and was researched and used in proper, controlled medical trials. Hence, medicine. This is how all real medicine works. Nobody denies the concept that there are naturally occurring medical chemicals, plenty of the real medicine we use is derived from plants and fungi and stuff. The point is it is done scientifically and systematically, which makes it medicine. TCM is sympathetic magic.
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Known Lecher posted:The difference being IIRC they isolated the one compound in the stew of crap that actually had a bit of an effect, ran scientific clinical trials, and then synthesized a drug that had the same effect only much, much stronger. That's how meth came about. A Japanese chemist investigating TCM herbs isolated ephedrine from ma huang and then later created methamphetamine from ephedrine.
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big time bisexual posted:That's how meth came about. A Japanese chemist investigating TCM herbs isolated ephedrine from ma huang and then later created methamphetamine from ephedrine. no poo poo. I always thought the nazis invented it.
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ladron posted:no poo poo. I always thought the nazis invented it. A German chemical concern patented an easy way if making it via red phosphorus and iodine. They were already selling it before the Nazis came to power, but Hitler thought it was the bee's knees and it's use was prevalent in all parts of German society during Nazi rule
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And amphetamine and methamphetamine were both commonly used during the war by airmen (on both sides) so they could stay awake and alert during long missions.
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far better than WW1 where the pilots were given a bottle of gin or brandy to counteract the laxative effect of the castor oil propeller lubricant being sprayed in their faces
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Collateral Damage posted:And amphetamine and methamphetamine were both commonly used during the war by airmen (on both sides) so they could stay awake and alert during long missions. During the blitzkrieg through the low countries and France, some panzer divisions advanced pretty much a month straight without stopping long for sleep. This allowed them to surround retreating French troops who did have to sleep.
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Jose posted:far better than WW1 where the pilots were given a bottle of gin or brandy to counteract the laxative effect of the castor oil propeller lubricant being sprayed in their faces Both the Red Baron and Albert Ball were so successful, in part, because they refused the liquor and always flew with a full load of poo poo in their britches.
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So as part of work, I get tons of unsolicited emails from factories in China. They usually start pretty respectfully, but lately it feels like they've been hiring edgy teenagers to write their cold-call emails. I'm use to being addressed as "dear sir" or often just "dear," but that I can chalk up to language barriers. "Hello friend" is another one that toes the line, but I get it. But sometimes:quote:Hey guy, quote:Hello Buddy , Like, I'm way too lazy to respond and try to explain to them why opening an email for potential business relationships with "hey guy" isn't great, but it's starting to get a little silly
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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:So as part of work, I get tons of unsolicited emails from factories in China. They usually start pretty respectfully, but lately it feels like they've been hiring edgy teenagers to write their cold-call emails. I'm use to being addressed as "dear sir" or often just "dear," but that I can chalk up to language barriers. "Hello friend" is another one that toes the line, but I get it. But sometimes: I read those two emails with the voice of Terrance and Philip from South Park.
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Pirate Radar posted:Imagine if, separate from internationally recognized evidence-based medicine, there was a kind of medicine that was called “American Traditional Medicine” that was based on old wives’ tales. Now imagine that other countries tried to tell America that ATM was bullshit. How prevalent do you think it would be? If you answered “all over the place and widely believed in” then congratulations, you understand. But like we have/had that? At least the Appalachian region produced a pretty widespread folk medicine culture. Now they have modernized and just treat everything with ground up Oxy.
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Grand Fromage posted:lmao at all of this blood poo poo BexGu posted:I read those two emails with the voice of Terrance and Philip from South Park.
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BexGu posted:I read those two emails with the voice of Terrance and Philip from South Park. they did list canada should reply with: i’m not your buddy guy
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Usually I just ask them not to bug us anymore and mostly they do stop. The "hello Buddy" one sent me back an email asking me why I wanted him to stop emailing us, and I had a whole rant written out about how you don't cold-call people with "buddy" and how I don't need to justify a do not contact email, then I deleted it and just blacklisted his domain on the server Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:About me: A genderqueer feminist, born in China with male body and grew up here.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yep. There was a plant in the traditional herbal pharmacopoeia which contained an effective anti-malarial chemical, and it was isolated and used. The thing is that TCM is this entire system of magical bullshit. What that scientist did was go through a number of old herbal remedies, scientifically testing them to see if there were actual effective medicines in there. That chemical worked and was researched and used in proper, controlled medical trials. Hence, medicine. This is how all real medicine works. Nobody denies the concept that there are naturally occurring medical chemicals, plenty of the real medicine we use is derived from plants and fungi and stuff. The point is it is done scientifically and systematically, which makes it medicine. TCM is sympathetic magic. Wasn't there some added irony in that the TCM preparation neutralises the active ingredient (through boiling or something else)?
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nong posted:it's still good to improve their living condition as they were literally living in rural villages made of bricks and mortar holy loving lol dude there is no way anyone can be this boneheaded, you're not linking or talking about anything even in the same order of magnitude. good job trolling me for a few posts but god drat son
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for rene, if you're still out there: post 90 beauties try airsoft  
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GotLag posted:Wasn't there some added irony in that the TCM preparation neutralises the active ingredient (through boiling or something else)? If we're talking about Artemisin, very likely. The IV preparation is so sensitive that it specifies that we have to gently mix it with sterile water without shaking the vial for best effect.
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Barudak posted:I just ask the adult how their french, german, and japanese is going or if its gotten a bit rusty? Jupiter himself has decreed that French is the world's language, who are you to disagree? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...o-a8084586.html
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She's going places. Eliminate the hostage so the police can make a clean arrest.
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mojo1701a posted:She's going places. Eliminate the hostage so the police can make a clean arrest. hostage taker cannot pay restitution to hostage's family if he is dead. so better to keep him alive and kill the hostage.
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icantfindaname posted:Jupiter himself has decreed that French is the world's language, who are you to disagree? I mean I agree with him, the beauties of France should be spread wide
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please do not laugh at my waifu I'm 50/50 of that was intentional to mock the event / get attention or a misundersatnding
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Someone post the Rene chang eyepop gif.
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Jeoh posted:lol irl
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One of the last sections of Old Shanghai, Laoximen, is set to be bulldozed. Click through for sweet pics of Art Deco structures mostly in disrepair https://avezink.livejournal.com/67617.html
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The only aspects of china I find remotely interesting are those older fined grained urban areas. New china is all "this complex of 50 identical tower blocks is arranged in a way that will look very nice from a helicopter"
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Baronjutter posted:"this complex of 50 identical tower blocks is arranged in a way that will look very nice from a helicopter" ahhhh, Seoul.....
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