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Matt Bruenig had a tweet a while a back where he basically said that liberals wringing their hands over how "rushed" the GOP tax bill were missing the point entirely - there's nothing inherently wrong about passing a bill in a week or whatever, as long as the content is good. I'm going off of wikipedia here, but the PPACA was introduced as HR 3590 on Sep-17-2009, passed the House on Nov-07-2009, passed the Senate on Dec-24-2009, and signed by Obama on Mar-23-2010. That's 185 days. The VRA took 142 days. Social Security took 131 days. The Militia Act of 1862 took nine days from being introduced in the Senate to getting signed by Lincoln. There was even an emergency banking act during FDR's time that made it through the House, the Senate, and was signed by the President in one day.
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The democratic opposition to the bill isn't the content, it's that it wasn't done politely. That's the party in a nutshell: they want the same loving terrible poor-crushing neoliberal hell poo poo the republicans do, but they want to be nice about it. They've gotten pulled so far to the right trying to be bipartisan that their identity has become republicans who say "please." Hillary's bullshit about branding was pretty prescient, except the democrats haven't had a brand since they were the segregationists. The republicans have successfully sold themselves as the party of patriotism, freedom, the troops, and individual liberty, despite consistently promoting an agenda in direct opposition to those values for seventy consecutive years. The democrats have no brand, and that's why they have no broad-based wins anywhere on the horizon. Individual democrats may win in places that want a little more civility in their capitalist destruction, but there won't be another wave no matter how popular until this party is able to cultivate and sell a message that isn't just "you guys liked Obama and he was one of us."
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ScrubLeague posted:The democratic opposition to the bill isn't the content, it's that it wasn't done politely. That's the party in a nutshell: they want the same loving terrible poor-crushing neoliberal hell poo poo the republicans do, but they want to be nice about it. They've gotten pulled so far to the right trying to be bipartisan that their identity has become republicans who say "please." Remember back during the convention when the Dems had plastered American Flags everywhere and veneration of the Troops and everyone on the Left said it looked more like the Republican Convention than a Democratic one, and all the BadDem defenders said that it was a good thing because the Democrats needed to retake Nationalism and Patriotism from the Republicans. That's their idea of branding, just being Republican-lite
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Vox Nihili posted:That's not really true, though they did have several months. The great bulk of the time from 2009-2011 was spent just short of a filibuster-proof majority. Whether they would have done better with more time is up for debate. Absurd Alhazred posted:They could have just canceled automatic filibuster, though. It's the Senate, they can upend whatever they want. But guess what? They didn't want to. Bad dems don't want to pass good legislation.
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Dems are basically the worst D&D players ever because they still didn't give themselves +30 Strength and a +5 Holy Avenger even after they had the DM's seat and could rewrite the rulebook at will.
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Conyers announced his retirement. *looks at Al Franken, screaming "retire bitch" over and over*
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John Conyers retire binch https://twitter.com/tamarakeithNPR/status/938066315121741824 https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/938066206858383360
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ScrubLeague posted:The democratic opposition to the bill isn't the content, it's that it wasn't done politely. That's the party in a nutshell: they want the same loving terrible poor-crushing neoliberal hell poo poo the republicans do, but they want to be nice about it. They've gotten pulled so far to the right trying to be bipartisan that their identity has become republicans who say "please." Despite their best efforts, I do think democrats will pick up just enough seats in 18 to appease their donors and have a grand circle jerk at dnc headquarters. They will still be garbage tho with respect to policy
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gradenko_2000 posted:John Conyers retire binch lmao gently caress that poo poo
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Dynasties are cool and good in democratic politics, looking forward to Senator Chelsea Clinton
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Rand alPaul posted:Bobby was a good Kennedy. The rest are trash.  fact check: all are trash
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gradenko_2000 posted:John Conyers retire binch And he's endorsing his son for the seat. We aren't a loving monarchy.
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Concord, NH is allowing Vermin Supreme to protest Hillary's book event, provided he pays the $5.25 parking fee for the ponies. http://www.concordmonitor.com/Settlement-reached-in-Vermin-Supreme-pony-protest-Concord-14140091
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Obama probably could've passed just about anything he wanted in early 2009 if he'd been willing to push for it forget about vote counts and filibusters for a moment and think back to the halcyon days of Obamarama. it was the height of a recession so big it had its own special name, and the average newspaper headline at the time was basically "have the banks caused an complete and permanent collapse of the American economy, or have they merely sparked a second Great Depression?" meanwhile, the newly-elected president was a notoriously charismatic speaker who had trounced his opponent by ten million loving votes and almost completely dominated both houses of Congress. if Obama had been willing to play hardball and use the bully pulpit, there's no way the GOP could have maintained the iron discipline they'd need for a filibuster - especially back in the 2008-2010 era when the Tea Party wasn't a thing yet instead, he declared from the beginning that he was looking to make a deal, and never showed any interest in calling GOP bluffs
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YOU CAN'T SPEND POlITICAL CAPITAL, YOU WILL REGRET THIS!!!
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gradenko_2000 posted:John Conyers retire binch In 2018 we're going to have a house candidate debate his uncle for a house seat vacated by their disgraced father/great uncle. We were right to elect Trump, burn the store down and start over.
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Obama collected a bunch of political capital but accidentally spent it on "Whore Island Adventure" which was just below "Wholesale Political Revolution." Easy mistake to make imo
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Lastgirl posted:dynasties are good actually https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/938070827890769920
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Welcome to the suck zone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHsVTqWXuHU
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Is the argument that Republicans are mean because Obama gave them everything they could have possibly wanted and they are still pricks? If that is so, and that is surprising, maybe Hot-Takes Pro at the local Twitter Club is the job for you!
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guillotine every single political dynast
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Joementum posted:Concord, NH is allowing Vermin Supreme to protest Hillary's book event, provided he pays the $5.25 parking fee for the ponies. Her silence during the campaign on the critical dental health issue was deafening, as I recall.
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despite all evidence to the contrary, democrats refuse to believe that these people don't exist https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/938096988909813760
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Joementum posted:despite all evidence to the contrary, democrats refuse to believe that these people don't exist 
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Joementum posted:despite all evidence to the contrary, democrats refuse to believe that these people don't exist For what it's worth, there are a few. In my suburban Philadelphia county, decorum extraordinaire Pat Toomey ran like 6-7 points ahead of Trump.
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Joementum posted:despite all evidence to the contrary, democrats refuse to believe that these people don't exist dems are gonna steal orange county and its critical 0 electoral votes
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john conyers retire bin- oh 
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Lastgirl posted:john conyers retire bin- oh It's okay, he should retire three or four times.
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Joementum posted:despite all evidence to the contrary, democrats refuse to believe that these people don't exist tbf they do but only in a couple counties in northern virginia
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Joementum posted:despite all evidence to the contrary, democrats refuse to believe that these people don't exist ah yes the schumer 2016 staretgg, surely that will work in 2018
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also, big lols to conyers making a point to say he is “retiring” and not “resigning”
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Joementum posted:Concord, NH is allowing Vermin Supreme to protest Hillary's book event, provided he pays the $5.25 parking fee for the ponies. i was rly proud to march with vermin alongside the DREAM activists at the 2012 DNC. he wore the boot
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I feel like Laibach is appropriate for this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZAD7W3M4zc edit: woops, meant that for the rad propaganda thread. point stands tho Grimoire has issued a correction as of 19:44 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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