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Ya know lore-wise the Aghol and Mung should be horse-archer armies, as they're completely separate cultures from the Norse.
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With a name as sweet as Mung, they can be whoever they want!
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Kainser posted:Possibly the greatest mod since the deformed kislev bears: 
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ZeusJupitar posted:Ya know lore-wise the Aghol and Mung should be horse-archer armies, as they're completely separate cultures from the Norse. So should the Kurgan and most of the Marauders, but it's never been that way in the tabletop game either. They're all steppe people raiders except the Norse but the actual Chaos armies never have steppe archers.
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New Butt Order posted:So did all of you guys having complete mental breakdowns right now just not read the preorder bonus before you got it? All the marketing clearly said you were getting DLC for the first game and CA never hid the fact that the Norsca would be coming late to ME. Like, yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled about having to wait until loving May either, but acting like you never received your pre-order bonus or that CA did some sort of bait and switch are either illiterate or willfully ignorant. nobody is having a breakdown people would just like the game to be fun.
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fargom posted:Lol yeah it's pretty normal for "coming late" to be 8 months later. Get out of here with that poo poo. It's clear the CA hosed up very very badly, trying to do far more at once than their studio could handle. It's perfectly reasonable to be "mad bout games" in this scenario. I also wouldn't be surprised if someone lost their job over this. "We basically have to rebuild this whole thing from scratch" is a hell of a fuckup. That's a lot of time and money being spent for a DLC that they're probably not going to be selling that much more of anyway. Nobody in management's going to be happy about that. Other studios would have probably just scrapped it altogether. New Butt Order fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Gay Horney posted:nobody is having a breakdown people would just like the game to be fun. gently caress that!!!!!!!!!
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Norsca news is disappointing, but I guess that's the price they pay for biting off so much in one chunk. Whatever, so long as we eventually end up with Norsca, I'm good. Give me Tomb Kings, CA, and don't gently caress it up. I do have to appreciate that they're actually not bullshitting us here. Yeah, it's disappointing, but at least they're not just stringing us along with pure marketing bullshit. They're admitting to loving up, owning it, taking the flak, and setting the record straight on how they plan to unfuck things. That does take balls, especially when dealing with video game nerds. Gonkish fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Dec 5, 2017 23:08
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Gay Horney posted:nobody is having a breakdown people would just like the game to be fun. lemme get this straight. CA... -released a fully functional, standalone base game on launch -quickly released a megacampaign including all of the new races plus most of the old ones (for a total of 12?) on a fuckhuge map -DOOMWHEELS ... ... ... -but they didn't include 1 race that they sold as DLC for the first game -and it will take them a while to put it in because they programmed themselves into a black hole game is no loving fun, guys.
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game is good but still, lol at everything about this gently caress up
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LuiCypher posted:-but they didn't include 1 race that they sold as DLC for the first game This isn't the entirety of people's complaints about WH2, and I'm sure you know that.
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Gay Horney posted:Playing malekith morathi any of the chaos guys is a really horrible experience right now. Norsca plays way too big a role on the map to have basic stacks full of 18 marauders. Renders the north half of the map unplayable. The vortex campaign doesn't really appeal to me Use this mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1182733930 It nerfs Norscan income down to a trickle and makes them more or less harmless on the ME map.
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New Butt Order posted:I'm not saying everybody should be happy about it, just the people having complete mental breakdowns and claiming they never got their DLC are just lying to themselves. Yeah nobody said that. I'm just frustrated that what I view as a critical fix that affects the play experience of many other factions was delayed for a very long time, and think the 'it's just DLC for game 1 you guys' argument is a copout. I'm aware that they're playable in another game I own, and might just play that game for a while instead since it's in a much better state, but I didn't think I'd have to make that compromise for most of a year after release when I preordered. I don't think CA acted maliciously here, so I'm not loving furious or anything, or demanding a refund, it just sucks. I'm not making any promises not to buy DLC when it comes out, because it might sound fun to me when it does, but Norsca not being in the game does make me less excited about spending more money on this game now when I kind of regret buying at full price already instead of waiting for the game to be worked on more. I don't usually preorder, and am cheap enough about games that I usually wait for sales, but TW1 being in such good shape made me think it was pretty safe this time. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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sassassin posted:This isn't the entirety of people's complaints about WH2, and I'm sure you know that. Of course, but when you have posts like this: Mans posted:Yeah, Warhammer 2 has been a confirmed failure on their part and it's been showing. And this: Gay Horney posted:I definitely will not be buying any dlc til the dlc I paid for is in the game. Six months before dark elves chaos and Norsca are playable? I had such high expectations but I forgot that this is still CA. Over Norsca of all things, then it's time to take a step back and say: Tiler Kiwi posted:game is good but still, lol at everything about this gently caress up
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Lmao that not buying dlc is indicative of some sort of breakdown
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Yeah sorry but the "game is abysmal failure" post is one complaint about sandals away from being peak twc. I am disappointed but christ, game is fun and good
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Gay Horney posted:Lmao that not buying dlc is indicative of some sort of breakdown If you don't pay full price you're a snowflake.
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LuiCypher posted:Of course, but when you have posts like this: Yes the game is fun, but it’s also okay to not spend money on games if you don’t want to. I’m still going to buy Tomb Kings, but I was rather looking forward to norsca in ME. It seems like their campaign will be even more fun with more kinds of elves to kill and it was my favorite WH1 campaigns by a lot. I can understand why people are annoyed. feller fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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The things that Norsca replaces are some of the biggest problems with both campaigns. It would be like if the desert vampire tribes were obnoxiously powerful swarming assholes and they pushed Tomb Kings back (which they've already done).
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Yeah, Norsca fixes the Chaos campaign through the easy vassalization thingie giving them backup homies and some background income; and they fix old Norsca being the most annoying faction to engage in the campaign and the battlemap, giving you instead a fun faction with varied units that is not sending you a doomstack every other turn.
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i am half considering reinstalling the first Warhammer just because I hardly got to play Norsca before 2's release and May is pretty far off.
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sassassin posted:The things that Norsca replaces are some of the biggest problems with both campaigns I'll agree with that, I've been playing with a neutered Norsca mod in ME the second hey started rolling out. Even then, I don't know of they're as bad as WH1 Norsca if only because they can actually capture territory now. In WH1 the whole map is reduced to ash before the midgame, in ME at least there's something to fight, even if it's just Norsca. I'm kind of curious as to what's so different about Vortex that keeps them contained. My hypothesis it's that their main foe are HElves who crush them in autoresolve. peer posted:i am half considering reinstalling the first Warhammer just because I hardly got to play Norsca before 2's release and May is pretty far off. You should. I absolutely despise Norsca and everything else affiliated with Chaos in both Warhammer and 40k and even I'll admit that the Norsca campaign is real fuckin good. New Butt Order fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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So, that easy is very hard and very hard is easy thing, is there a fix patch for it? does it effect legendary campaigns? has this been in effect for awhile?
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New Butt Order posted:You should. I absolutely despise Norsca and everything else affiliated with Chaos in both Warhammer and 40k and even I'll admit that the Norsca campaign is real fuckin good. Yeah, when they were announced I was like "Eww", because I find Chaos the least interesting element of both Warhammers and I don't care for Vikings either, and I'd still say the Norscan campaign is the best designed one CA has ever done.
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Zore posted:Lore of Life healing was nerfed across the board. I thought Heavens was good now. Maybe not top tier but you can gently caress some people up with comets and lightning, wind blast can wreck fodder and the buff/debuff spells are nice. Or is it just that Teclis and Mazdamundi make it look good.
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Tbf Teclis’ net + lightning combo is part of what makes heavens seem so drat good.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:So, that easy is very hard and very hard is easy thing, is there a fix patch for it? does it effect legendary campaigns? has this been in effect for awhile? I must be dumb, or just not thinking well. There's an achievement for owning three Thriving Elven Colonies, which is the t5 version. The problem is, in the Vortex campaign I can only see two provinces that have a capital marked by a colony: one near where the Fortress of Dusk starts, and one being Tor Elasar. There are other, scattered t3 minor colonies everwhere, but no t5s. Am I missing the third, or is just not possible to get this achievement in the Vortex campaign?
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Ravenfood posted:Load up your very hard campaign and set the battle difficulty to easy. Should do it. I think it’s Teclis’ starting island
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New Butt Order posted:I'm kind of curious as to what's so different about Vortex that keeps them contained. My hypothesis it's that their main foe are HElves who crush them in autoresolve. They tend to annihilate Yvresse, Cothique and Chrace (if they survive the first Scourge of Kaine onslaught). Tyrion specifically is the brick wall they can't break down with numbers.
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Senor Dog posted:it’s also okay to not spend money on games if you don’t want to. Yeah, that's a pretty reasonable stance - can't/don't want to argue with it. I think it's also reasonable to be disappointed that they have to take a lot of extra time to implement one of the best campaigns that they designed - ironically, the reason why it's so well-designed is because they didn't bother to think about integrating it into TWW2 and just let it be its own thing without oversight - as they said, it has a lot of 'bespoke code' that's not at all present in TWW2. I just find it hilarious when people start calling TWW2 a poo poo game over something that, in the big picture, is really just a minor inconvenience compared to what you're actually getting. Ultimately, what's already there is a great and solid product. Moreover, Norsca isn't a part of base TWW2 - the Vortex Campaign and four (soon to be five) new races are. Mortal Empires and all the TWW1 races (including Norsca) are just a bonus. However, since it's something they've always promised the players since the first game, it's fine to try to hold them accountable to their own promises. They're certainly trying to live up to them. In the grand scheme of game developers though, CA is pretty loving good. They've provided a lot of Free-LC for TWW, and will continue to do so - ME is one such example, and they'll continue to polish it over time. Their race packs (aside from WoC), though seemingly pricey, are pretty fair considering the work that goes into them and the fact that they keep trying to push themselves creatively in campaign design with each new race. Still doesn't change the fact that it sucks rear end that they let Norsca get out of hand and it's going to take a shitload of work to program themselves out of that black hole. But the game is still fun and good, and I'm definitely looking forward to Tomb Kings.
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Nephthys posted:I thought Heavens was good now. Maybe not top tier but you can gently caress some people up with comets and lightning, wind blast can wreck fodder and the buff/debuff spells are nice. Heavens is pretty good. I honestly forgot Brets had it, I thought they were Life/Beast locked. No one seems to bring it right now with them even though its pretty rampant with Lizard right now.
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Sinteres posted:Yeah nobody said that. I'm just frustrated that what I view as a critical fix that affects the play experience of many other factions was delayed for a very long time, and think the 'it's just DLC for game 1 you guys' argument is a copout. I'm aware that they're playable in another game I own, and might just play that game for a while instead since it's in a much better state, but I didn't think I'd have to make that compromise for most of a year after release when I preordered. I don't think CA acted maliciously here, so I'm not loving furious or anything, or demanding a refund, it just sucks. Stop being loving reasonable man. You either have to rage or white knight! Didn't you know? But, seriously, this is probably the adult stance. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's pretty unreasonable. However, it's not completely rage inducing. The game is playable. It's easily fixed with mods that are free. It's mildly annoying, and if this is the most money you've ever spent and not going EXACTLY what you wanted, then consider yourself very lucky.
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Ravenfood posted:Load up your very hard campaign and set the battle difficulty to easy. Should do it. I only have legendary campaigns going on right now, I don't remember if legendary has it's own thing or if it uses the very hard effect, will legendary campaigns actually be easier then very hard?
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Ravenfood posted:Load up your very hard campaign and set the battle difficulty to easy. Should do it. Teclis' starting position in the Vortex campaign is an Elven Colony major settlement, as I recall.
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LuiCypher posted:Ultimately, what's already there is a great and solid product. It's another 6-9 months from being a great or solid product. Thinking of ME as "Free-LC" seems disingenuous when the combined map was a major part of their sales pitch for this game. It isn't an extra bonus they're throwing in out of the goodness of their hearts, this is what they were asking people to pay for.
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sassassin posted:It's another 6-9 months from being a great or solid product. Yeah I wouldn't have bought game 2 at full price if it wasn't for ME.
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Senor Dog posted:Yeah I wouldn't have bought game 2 at full price if it wasn't for ME. Completely agreed, ME was a main selling point of game 2. It's not a bonus, FLC, or extra, it was a primary game mode.
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