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cheetah7071 posted:the drinking game for this episode is to drink every time they say something that betrays a complete misunderstanding of biology If someone is confused about this statement or secretly a creationist let me just tell you right now: Evolution cannot be directly observed during a single creature's lifetime. It takes generations, no pun intended. As far as I can recall the most advanced species we have directly observed it in were fruitflies. Also there is no such thing as devolution occuring in the natural world. It is not applicable to any situation aside from states of government or mood.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:12
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Oh gently caress yes I can't wait to see primitive Worf
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Dec 7, 2017 00:12
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Jeb! Repetition posted:
im almost positive they won an award for the make up in this episode
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Dec 7, 2017 00:14
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I don't care if the science makes no sense if the episode is as scary-cool as this one. Worf scared the gently caress out of me when I saw this as a kid.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:16
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MorgaineDax posted:I don't care if the science makes no sense if the episode is as scary-cool as this one. Worf scared the gently caress out of me when I saw this as a kid. He scared me pretty good as an adult. Stewart's acting and the way Picard had prey instincts helped too.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:21
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I mean, they’re jetting around the galaxy at speeds much faster than c, violating causality every mission. I’m ok with nonsense non-science for the sake of entertainment. I’m not watching for educational reasons. But yeah, “devolving” isn’t even a thing. Evolution is change over time. Even if we ended up being salamanders in our future, it’s not “de-evolution”. It’s just evolution.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:23
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Another entertaining episode even though the science was offensive and Troi bathes with her clothes on.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:26
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Another entertaining episode even though the science was offensive and Troi bathes with her clothes on. I think maybe that was Sirtis establishing how much bullshit she will put up with.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:28
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dont even fink about it posted:I think maybe that was Sirtis establishing how much bullshit she will put up with. Which is good on her but the scene actually would have been way more effective if Horny Worf had found her naked. I'm guessing it's what they originally intended.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:34
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I really love Genesis... It's one of those rare episodes that can actually be improved by re-watching and knowing what's going to come. All the subtle gestures of the actors (Nurse Ogowa walking like a chimp; Barclay being manic and moving around the room with his arms, etc.) in the first half is just so much fun! It's also amazing to think that an extremely routine medical procedure done on one guy could have potentially taken out the entire crew of the Federation flag ship. Well done, Star Fleet!
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Dec 7, 2017 00:37
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ashpanash posted:I mean, they’re jetting around the galaxy at speeds much faster than c, violating causality every mission. I’m ok with nonsense non-science for the sake of entertainment. I’m not watching for educational reasons. Oh, sure. I wouldn't even bother mentioning it, since it is just entertainment and all, but it is such a regular mistake it might need pointing out if people are genuinely confused. Evolution is neither a path down a straight line nor does it have any kind of intent or is destined to create more "advanced" life forms. Heck lots of creatures on Earth are more advanced genetically than humans.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:51
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Dunno why I'm singling this out when there's so much but no, cats have no iguana ancestors Jeb! Repetition posted:Spider Barclay Great two posts.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:53
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I’m guessing in the 24th century, humans will be like “um, did you know I’m actually 1/16th horror spider beast”  like how people are today with supposed native american ancestry.
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Dec 7, 2017 01:03
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Even if you don’t know how evolution works it has got to be bonkers to believe that different individual people evolved separately from different ancestor animals
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Dec 7, 2017 01:27
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Imagine if the federation didn't have any ethics and weaponize even half the weird poo poo they've come across. An airborne de-evolving weapon that rapidly spreads and turns the population into monsters?? Jesus christ.
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Dec 7, 2017 02:24
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Jeb! Repetition posted:
Jeb! Repetition posted:Dunno why I'm singling this out when there's so much but no, cats have no iguana ancestors MorgaineDax posted:I don't care if the science makes no sense if the episode is as scary-cool as this one. Worf scared the gently caress out of me when I saw this as a kid. Yeesh. Looking at this episode now, I can't decide if it's the sort of thing that would give a kid a transformation fetish or scare them off for good. Marshal Radisic fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Dec 7, 2017 02:32
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It's absolutely bullshit but it's the fun kind of bullshit, like Edgar Rice Burroughs Martians. Sometimes you gotta just let your hair down. If anything their mistake was trying too hard to ground it in plausible science, it should've been something completely off the wall like an alien DNA-swapping virus or something.
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Dec 7, 2017 02:37
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Jeb! on the best episode 
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Dec 7, 2017 02:43
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Dunno why I'm singling this out when there's so much but no, cats have no iguana ancestors Basal amniotes may have looked vaguely oh gently caress it.
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Dec 7, 2017 02:55
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Yeah and humans have no arthropod ancestors either. If they wanted to de-evolve Barclay he should have turned into a wormy thing.
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Dec 7, 2017 02:56
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I wouldn’t be surprised if this episode just started out as Michael Westmore groaning about how bored he was applying forehead bumps. Brannon Braga: “I’ll show you !!”
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Dec 7, 2017 03:02
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Barclay is one sixty-fourth Aracnanian.
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Dec 7, 2017 03:02
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Data Graham posted:Even if you don’t know how evolution works it has got to be bonkers to believe that different individual people evolved separately from different ancestor animals I don't think that's what they were implying. I think they meant different people were ending turning into species from various points in their species history. Like Riker got off light with caveman from like a million years back but Picard got hosed with lemur-thing from the last common ancestor of all primates.
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Sash! posted:I don't think that's what they were implying. I think they meant different people were ending turning into species from various points in their species history. Like Riker got off light with caveman from like a million years back but Picard got hosed with lemur-thing from the last common ancestor of all primates. And Spider Barclay? Is he descended from Peter Parker or something?
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Dec 7, 2017 03:34
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The devolution episode is lit, cat iguanas rule!
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Dec 7, 2017 03:52
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Dunno why I'm singling this out when there's so much but no, cats have no iguana ancestors WampaLord posted:*Morbo voice* DNA DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY! GOODNIGHT!
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Dec 7, 2017 03:58
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It would have been pretty baller if they glued some extra toes on an iguana and gave it a big flat headpiece like it had turned into an early tetrapod. Things had like, a zillion fuckin toes. Like 13 on each foot. Look it up.
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Dec 7, 2017 04:02
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I just wish there'd been the CGI tech or cultural awareness to make spot devolve into a gorgonopsid.Arglebargle III posted:It would have been pretty baller if they glued some extra toes on an iguana and gave it a big flat headpiece like it had turned into an early tetrapod. Things had like, a zillion fuckin toes. Like 13 on each foot. Look it up. I don't think any that would be comfortable on a dry floor or pass for an Iguana had more than 6 though.
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Dec 7, 2017 04:23
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Jeb! Repetition posted:He scared me pretty good as an adult. Stewart's acting and the way Picard had prey instincts helped too. I always thought it a little funny that they diagnosed Picard as turning into a prey animal because he got frightened by all the crew monsters; my remark was "He's scared by the creepy mutants? No loving poo poo, this must be unusual behavior for a human!!!".
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evilmiera posted:Oh, sure. I wouldn't even bother mentioning it, since it is just entertainment and all, but it is such a regular mistake it might need pointing out if people are genuinely confused. What do you even mean by "advanced" in this context, then.
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Dec 7, 2017 04:44
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Arglebargle III posted:It would have been pretty baller if they glued some extra toes on an iguana and gave it a big flat headpiece like it had turned into an early tetrapod. Things had like, a zillion fuckin toes. Like 13 on each foot. Look it up.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Another entertaining episode even though the science was offensive and Troi bathes with her clothes on. You sure about that? Minor Star Trek Insurrection spoiler:  Marshal Radisic posted:Can you actually put prosthetics on animals? I thought that the ASPCA and the Humane Society put their foot down on that in the '50s after stories came out about productions abusing reptiles by gluing things to their bodies so they'd look like dinosaurs. 
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Doggles posted:You sure about that? I think that's like a dog sweater and the stuff is attached to the sweater
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Dec 7, 2017 05:05
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I think that's like a dog sweater and the stuff is attached to the sweater So make some multi-toed iguana socks.
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Dec 7, 2017 05:12
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I can't stop looking at that little rectangular panel way at the top of the bridge. Someone thought to put that there, what is it for? Does anyone know? I must know this
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Dec 7, 2017 05:23
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That’s the moonroof control
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Dec 7, 2017 05:37
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I'm gettin real tired of Voyager writers not giving a gently caress about their own show. When we found out that 7 of 9's parents got a grant from the Federation Science Academy or whatever to study the Borg when she was 12 I thought it was weird because she's like 30 and the Feds have only known about the Borg for about 7 years, but then I remembered she talked about being put in a Borg maturation chamber so I figured it ages you up real fast and she was like only in there for a year or something and came out a fully-formed adult. But nope, just watched Collective and they confirm she was in that maturation chamber for 5 years and was a drone for 18 years, so I guess Picard & crew were just real stupid or something and didn't pay any attention to the news and that's why they'd never heard of the Borg in Q Who. And then the next episode Ashes to Ashes a crewmember that we've never seen comes back from the dead* and we find out she was Harry's best friend for the first 3 seasons but somehow it never came up. And he says he was always in love with her but gave up any hope of being together when they were assigned to the same starship as coworkers. Except no, we already know that Harry had moved on from her before he got his assignment because he was engaged to someone else that he'd been dating his final year of the academy. Eh whatever gently caress it if they don't care I don't care. (*And this is the second crewmember we've never seen who the show told us was secretly a main character's friend but died sometime back again offscreen (the other was the doctor's friend whom he let die to save Harry and the ethical dilemma broke his program until Janeway erased his memory of the event). I wish the writers had planned things like this out better, like introduced those characters and let us get to know them so there'd be more emotional impact when they come up in these stories.)
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Dec 7, 2017 05:39
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Borg continuity's been a mess since their very first appearance when Q claimed they had no knowledge of the Federation, even though they were clearly supposed to have been behind the attacks on the Neutral Zone outposts a year prior. I figure, they've got time travel, you can't expect their history to make any sense.
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Good point, maybe Voyager takes place in the First Contact timeline where United Earth found out about the Borg in Archer's time. Still I'm less annoyed about continuity with other series than continuity problems within Voyager itself like them making a huge deal about Harry's undying love for his fiancee and then suddenly "who? nah he was carrying a torch for this new girl who has totally always been here the entire time". Also looking up reviews of Ashes to Ashes to see what other people have said about it, apparently Ensign Ballard was killed by Hirogen over a year before Voyager ever encountered them so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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