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hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

people that are really into clown makeup I'm assuming

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WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

got any sevens posted:

What demos liked suicide squad that dont usually see comic movies?

Oddly enough, dads. I'm assuming mostly because of Margot Robbie getting male-gazed and Deadshot's whole subplot giving them a little bit to relate to.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
Lots of women went to see it.


Also maybe people who like trad action movies were brought in by Ayer? idk :v:

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
It wasn't advertised in this way but Suicide Squad had a cast that wasn't a bunch of white guys.

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

It wasn't advertised in this way but Suicide Squad had a cast that wasn't a bunch of white guys.

yeah i'd bet money the suicide squad audience was more racially diverse than a lot of marvel stuff has had

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
At a recent trip to the casino friends and i swung by a strip club at the end of the night. there was a girl working there dressed as harley quinn, accent and everything, and there was a lineup half way down the bar for the next private dance with her. This was a Saturday night so it was busy as gently caress, no shortage of other options

it was so weird, I've never seen anything like it before. just straight up cosplay, and it worked so well

So yeah no doubt men went to see that movie based on the 2-3 panty shots in the trailer

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
I watched Civil War for the third [e: fourth?] time on netflix last night because I'm a glutton for punishment and

1) they should have just made these Marvel movies cartoons and had whoever their lead animation guy was direct; the shots of The Raft coming out of the ocean are the most attractive of anything in the whole movie

2) what a loving waste of Paul Bettany, honestly. He should have played Hawkeye. Or... somebody cool, anyway; not just this lameass Star Trek robot who lounges around his Ikea kitchenette. Has anyone else here seen Priest? gently caress you that movie owns. Paul Bettany should play more ultra-assassins.

3) Why is Tony putting the traumatic loss of his family on holographic display for a big crowd of MIT-grad snots? That's creepy/offputting/weird. Like the whole thing is scripted, he's acting etc---then throughout the movie every appeal he makes seems to turn out to be fake, like, here Steve I'm making a symbolic overture here btw even before I met you I hated you lol---like they've totally given up on making Tony Stark a sympathetic character through characterization and are relying on just beating him up. Like he gets his rear end stomped in this movie, goes through the whole thing with a shiner and then finally just gets beat to all hell and symbolically stabbed in the heart. It's like they figured well, anybody who's seen these movies before knows Tony never changes so the way we'll get the audience to empathize with him is we'll literally pulverize the guy onscreen for two hours.

4) Having watched this thing more than once a lot of the jokes don't even read as jokes. The laugh beat when Stark walks past Paul Rudd and says "who are you again?" is now downright cruel

Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Dec 7, 2017

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


got any sevens posted:

I still like that movie.

Same.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Brother Entropy posted:

yeah i'd bet money the suicide squad audience was more racially diverse than a lot of marvel stuff has had

Younger too, I'd bet.

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012

pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is
yeah as much as the typical mid-twenties-to-thirties nerd crowd hates skwad's aesthetics, there's a huge pool of slightly younger people who are totally into it ('ironically' or not).

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

ungulateman posted:

yeah as much as the typical mid-twenties-to-thirties nerd crowd hates skwad's aesthetics, there's a huge pool of slightly younger people who are totally into it ('ironically' or not).

If Hot Topic is any indication that typical mid-twenties-to-thirties crowd is also into it.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
Leto's Joker being designed 100% from the ground up to appeal to young women and nerds throwing a shitfit over it was lol

Nasgate
Jun 7, 2011

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

3) Why is Tony putting the traumatic loss of his family on holographic display for a big crowd of MIT-grad snots? That's creepy/offputting/weird. Like the whole thing is scripted, he's acting etc---then throughout the movie every appeal he makes seems to turn out to be fake, like, here Steve I'm making a symbolic overture here btw even before I met you I hated you lol---like they've totally given up on making Tony Stark a sympathetic character through characterization and are relying on just beating him up. Like he gets his rear end stomped in this movie, goes through the whole thing with a shiner and then finally just gets beat to all hell and symbolically stabbed in the heart. It's like they figured well, anybody who's seen these movies before knows Tony never changes so the way we'll get the audience to empathize with him is we'll literally pulverize the guy onscreen for two hours

The weirdest part of this is that Iron Man 3 spends the whole movie trying to make us empathize with Stark, and imo worked fairly well thanks to Downey. Then timeline wise we go to civil war and his character has regressed to Avengers rear end in a top hat Stark. Then in Spiderman Homecoming we have brief bits of Stark being honest with his own issues and trying to help Peter while acknowledging that he's a terrible role model.

If anything, it's evidence that the MCU really captures the feeling of actual comics. God knows crossover comics have this same issue of having a character be eerily different than in their main run.

The Cameo
Jan 20, 2005


Suicide Squad had a lot of repeat business from young women, younger millennials - particularly the under-18 crowd - African-Americans, and Hispanics (41% of the opening weekend came from them, and 4 out of 5 liked it). The Joker/Harley romance and Harley in particular brought in millennial women (and really, women of all ages), Croc/Diablo/Deadshot got minorities to show up, the look of the movie attracted under-18 millennials, these people kept on going back to it, and suddenly the movie has made over $300 million domestically while the traditional "core" audience for comic book movies - 24-40 white males - showed up only on opening weekend and vanished completely after that.

Basically a bunch of people who are shunted to the side of a normal comic book movie saw the advertising (because WB went deep on these demographics with ad buys), saw a woman/Hispanic/black guy on the same level as the white people in the movie if not above them, and went "oh poo poo yes".

In a way, hiring Ayer ended up being the smartest move since Ayer spent the latter half of his teenage years living in South Central LA and keeps in touch with his friends from then, giving him a pretty good cross-reference of what a Hispanic or African-American audience would want out of a superhero movie.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Nasgate posted:

The weirdest part of this is that Iron Man 3 spends the whole movie trying to make us empathize with Stark, and imo worked fairly well thanks to Downey. Then timeline wise we go to civil war and his character has regressed to Avengers rear end in a top hat Stark. Then in Spiderman Homecoming we have brief bits of Stark being honest with his own issues and trying to help Peter while acknowledging that he's a terrible role model.

If anything, it's evidence that the MCU really captures the feeling of actual comics. God knows crossover comics have this same issue of having a character be eerily different than in their main run.

I know it's not very good, but Age of Ultron plays a big part in why Stark got a little lovely in Civil War. It's ALL his fault that Ultron did what he did, and he's punishing himself, and others by trying to lock everyone down. I don't know, it makes sense to me. His arc.

viral spiral
Sep 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/EW/status/938770466008961024



:thunk:

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
I am life! I am fire and song! I am...... Phoenix! uwunngh~

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


Kinda baffled that Sophie Turner is being handed a franchise like that. I get they're losing Jennifer Lawrence, but she could phone it in in Apocalypse and still have more screen presence.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






CelticPredator posted:

I know it's not very good, but Age of Ultron plays a big part in why Stark got a little lovely in Civil War. It's ALL his fault that Ultron did what he did, and he's punishing himself, and others by trying to lock everyone down. I don't know, it makes sense to me. His arc.
With or without his arc, hes still a oval office.

The D in Detroit
Oct 13, 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p-LGgBD3MA&t=31s

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Yeah, that's kind of who he is.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity

Sir Kodiak posted:

Kinda baffled that Sophie Turner is being handed a franchise like that. I get they're losing Jennifer Lawrence, but she could phone it in in Apocalypse and still have more screen presence.

Guessing she won't be more than a secondary character even in the "Phoenix arc" movie. This is Jean Grey after all, most famous for being fought over between the most and least popular X-Mans, dying, and heel turns

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Right. I'm sick of these oval office superheroes tbh

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Gorn Myson posted:

Right. I'm sick of these oval office superheroes tbh

Guess what, too bad.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
In the comics, Tony Stark's role in the Avengers was mainly that of Concerned But Distant Parent. He didn't become a DEADPAN SNARKER until RDJ's portrayal.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






CelticPredator posted:

Guess what, too bad.
I'm like you CP, I feel so hard about these things.

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

Guessing she won't be more than a secondary character even in the "Phoenix arc" movie. This is Jean Grey after all, most famous for being fought over between the most and least popular X-Mans, dying, and heel turns

Who's going to be the main character, then? loving Cyclops? I thought Jackman was out.

Wait, IMDB lists Lawrence, McAvoy, and Fassbender. I had assumed they were done after Apocalypse. This all makes way more sense now, my bad.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
If I had to guess, I'd bet they will replace Jackman with a younger actor as "the Wolverine of the new timeline" in this movie but keep it a secret like Jackman popping up in Apocalypse. Like literally in X-Men comics right now Wolverine's secret bastard son who looks exactly like Wolverine but younger is a team member as well as Crusty Old Alternate Future Wolverine so it'd fit.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Crossposting from the JL thread

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

Well, that was fast

quote:

Warner Bros. is planning a shake-up and restructuring of its DC Films operation following the box office disappointment of “Justice League,” Variety has learned.

Jon Berg will be leaving his current job running the comic book’s film production division, according to several sources with knowledge of the studio’s plans. A search is underway for his replacement. Berg will instead become a production partner with Roy Lee, the producer of “The Lego Movie” and “It,” who has a deal on the lot.

“This is something that Jon approached me about six months ago, and he expressed his goal was to ultimately be a producer at the studio,” Warner Bros. Picture Group President Toby Emmerich said in a statement to Variety. “I first met Jon when, as a producer, he brought ‘Elf’ to New Line, which remains one of the best and most evergreen titles in the library. We’re thrilled that Jon is partnering with Roy and anticipate their company being a valuable source of movies for Warner Bros. and New Line.”

Warners is expected to name a new person to run point on DC’s films. Geoff Johns, who has partnered with Berg on much of the creative direction of the movies, is expected to continue serving as DC Entertainment’s chief creative officer. Johns, who reports to DC president Diane Nelson, works in areas such as television (and has written various episodes for DC-inspired shows), publishing, and consumer products, in addition to his contributions to the films. Going forward, his work on the films may evolve, and could be more advisory in nature.

These people also say that Emmerich is weighing the idea of further integrating DC’s film operations into the studio’s main movie arm. That would entail putting the divisions under the same roof rather than having DC remain in a separate building on the lot, sources say. Marvel, which is owned by Disney, does operate its comic book film division autonomously, but other studios, such as Fox and Sony, produce their superhero films under the studio’s banner.

The DC overhaul is expected to happen by January.

Warner Bros.’ corporate leaders at Time Warner support the moves and are said to be unhappy with the financial performance of “Justice League.” The film was intended to be DC’s answer to Marvel’s “Avengers,” uniting the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman under the banner of a team of world-saving superheroes. With a budget reported to be as high as $300 million, it represents an expensive bet. After three weeks of release, it has managed to gross $570.3 million worldwide. In contrast, the first “Avengers” film racked up $1.5 billion. The studio did have a number of successes this year with “Wonder Woman,” “Dunkirk,” and “It,” which has helped offset the disappointment of “Justice League.”

Berg and Johns were intimately involved in the production. Berg essentially decamped for the film’s London set, and both men have full producer credits on the picture, which would likely not be the case on future movies. “Justice League” suffered from a difficult birth. An early version, directed by Zack Snyder, alarmed studio executives with its dark tone. That had been the knock on Snyder’s two previous DC films, “Man of Steel” and “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.” After his daughter committed suicide, Snyder eventually left the production before it underwent costly re-shoots. Joss Whedon, who had been brought on the punch up the dialogue, took over directing, but studio brass recognized that so much footage had been shot already that there were limits to what could be done to improve the picture. Studio executives realized early on that Snyder’s decision to have Steppenwolf, a god-like, all-CGI creation, as the principal antagonist was faulty. In fact, many reviews were particularly harsh about Steppenwolf, criticizing the character for being one-note and the product of unconvincing visual effects.

There are no immediate plans for Snyder to direct another DC movie, though he is producing or executive producing several, including “Wonder Woman 2” and “Aquaman.” Warner Bros. continues to have a production deal with Snyder, so it’s possible he could direct additional films for the studio. Time Warner is said to be frustrated that Warner Bros. leaders continue to bring the director back, especially after “Batman v Superman” was excoriated by critics even though it made money. They are also upset that each new DC film seems to be making less money than its predecessor. Only “Wonder Woman,” with its optimistic heroine, managed to be both a critical and commercial success.

While Ben Affleck is expected to appear as Batman in a standalone Flash movie, it is highly unlikely he will don the cape and cowl in Matt Reeves’ planned standalone Batman movie. The director is said to want to cast the role with fresh talent, according to sources.

Warner Bros. believes that “Justice League” succeeded in one importantly respect: it effectively introduced Flash (a quippy speedster played by Ezra Miller) and Aquaman (the king of Atlantis, portrayed by Jason Momoa). A solo “Aquaman” is due out in 2018 and Warners is still developing a standalone Flash adventure. Going forward, Warner Bros. is planning a sequel to “Wonder Woman” that’s believed to be set in the Cold War, and New Line has greenlit a “Shazam” feature.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dc-films-justice-league-1202632214/

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

If I had to guess, I'd bet they will replace Jackman with a younger actor as "the Wolverine of the new timeline" in this movie but keep it a secret like Jackman popping up in Apocalypse. Like literally in X-Men comics right now Wolverine's secret bastard son who looks exactly like Wolverine but younger is a team member as well as Crusty Old Alternate Future Wolverine so it'd fit.

Like it's pathetic, they killed off Wolverine back in 2013 and now we have Girlverine (Laura), Kidverine (Jimmy), Punkverine (that's Dakken) and GRAMPS

The MSJ
May 17, 2010


I know it's too much to hope for, but I'd be happy if this means WB will treat DCEU movies as actual movies instead of franchise entries.

Maybe reduce Geoff Johns' influence too. He's the reason there's no Flash movie in 2018.

The MSJ fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Dec 7, 2017

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007
Was it Johns who ran off the early talent recruited for Flash?

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

The MSJ posted:

I'd be happy if this means WB will treat DCEU movies as actual movies instead of franchise entries.

Maybe reduce Geoff Johns' influence too. He's the reason there's no Flash movie in 2018.

The article does mention that Johns is being demoted to just an advisor role, yeah.

Honestly, is pretty lovely the way the article lays all the blame on Snyder.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

MacheteZombie posted:

Was it Johns who ran off the early talent recruited for Flash?

Lord & Miller was hired to just write the first draft, but they left before WB can get them to direct because they got a Star Wars job offer. It's understandable since there's a dozen comic book movies in production at any given time, but Star Wars movies are still a one-movie-a-year thing. Of course we know what happened eventually.

After that, the Flash movie script keeps getting rewritten and at least two directors left. The reason became clear when WB announced a Flashpoint movie. Flashpoint is fairly recent event in the comics that led to the New 52 reboot, spearheaded by Geoff Johns. With him being one of the big guys at DC, not just for the comics, he keeps pushing for the story to be adapted elsewhere like an animated movie and in the CW Flash series.

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

The article does mention that Johns is being demoted to just an advisor role, yeah.

Maybe this means any eventual Green Lantern movie will be safe from him too.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Someone photoshop prof x's chair above her hair :)

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
Stinks we won't get a Batfleck solo movie. Especially stinks that they don't want the universe to be as dark as it is. I wanted to see this universe's A Death in the Family. It's been hinted at in both BvS and Suicide Squad.

If they are going to do Flashpoint, they should just have Christian Bale as Batman after. It wouldn't make sense with the DC film universe's Joker but who cares at this point.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Sir Kodiak posted:

That description reminds me a fair bit of Guy Ritchie's King Arthur movie.

got any sevens posted:

I still like that movie.

Guy Ritchie is the filmmaker at the top of my list of people who would be well-suited for a DC movie. I love my man Ayer, but I have to wonder how Suicide Squad might have turned out in his hands.

And, yeah, King Arthur was pretty sweet, I don't care what anyone says. Too much exposition? Sure! Of course! But you know what else had too much exposition? Wonder Woman. You know what's a better shot movie than Wonder Woman, and even has a better God of War end level boss fight defeated by the power of love?

viral spiral
Sep 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich

Spacebump posted:

If they are going to do Flashpoint, they should just have Christian Bale as Batman after. It wouldn't make sense with the DC film universe's Joker but who cares at this point.

It wouldn't make sense at all because the Nolan films aren't part of the DCEU to begin with, nincompoop. Keep dreaming.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Spacebump posted:

Stinks we won't get a Batfleck solo movie. Especially stinks that they don't want the universe to be as dark as it is. I wanted to see this universe's A Death in the Family. It's been hinted at in both BvS and Suicide Squad.

If they are going to do Flashpoint, they should just have Christian Bale as Batman after. It wouldn't make sense with the DC film universe's Joker but who cares at this point.

Well, now word on the vine is that John Hamm really, really wants to be Batman

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Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

viral spiral posted:

It wouldn't make sense at all because the Nolan films aren't part of the DCEU to begin with, nincompoop. Keep dreaming.

I know that they aren't and more or less acknowledged that in the post you quoted. However, with Flashpoint the universe can arbitrarily be changed for profit.

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

Well, now word on the vine is that John Hamm really, really wants to be Batman

This would own.

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