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Cythereal posted:A couple of books have suggested that the likes of Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman, Typhus, and Lucius have all been offered ascension to daemon prince but they've refused. Ahriman especially has no love for tzeentch. But tzeentch doesn't mind  he's tzeentch's champion whether he likes it or not.I could see typhus going demon, maaybe karn but he's too busy killing to care.
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Dec 7, 2017 23:08
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:If you're playing in a tournament then I would hope to see painted armies. It's been years since I played at NOVA but I recall Mike having a fairly simple minimum standard that was easy to judge and accept. The second you get beyond a ridiculously easy minimum standard (multiple colors and based) then it becomes bullshit. Personally I feel embarrassed when I field my gray dudes against someone like The Sex Cannon and his nicely painted guard; getting a painted army done was half the reason I chose Primaris. Agree. I rapidly lose patience with tournaments with like 20pts for basing and tons of subjective criteria for a point here, a point there and all kinds of bullshit, but equally your army should 100% be painted and based and look like a minimum of effort has gone into it. Although you do occasionally see armies by guys who are obviously enthusiastic painters and it's like "uhhh I feel a little bad for those models."
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Dec 7, 2017 23:10
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Zaphod42 posted:Ahriman especially has no love for tzeentch. The Horus Heresy novels featuring him suggest that Kharn is the kind of guy who would look at an offer of daemonhood and go "You think I need help to kill? Yeah no." It's reflected in the 40k RPG books dealing with Chaos as well. There's a chance that a character can be bound for neither spawndom nor daemonhood, your god likes you just the way you are.
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Dec 7, 2017 23:24
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Artum posted:
There's that "...yet" that was always appended to "The primaris BA have no Black Rage!" kicking in. 
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Dec 7, 2017 23:44
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:There's that "...yet" that was always appended to "The primaris BA have no Black Rage!" kicking in. Somewhere gabriel seth sheds a single tear of joy.
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Dec 7, 2017 23:49
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Corrode posted:Agree. I rapidly lose patience with tournaments with like 20pts for basing and tons of subjective criteria for a point here, a point there and all kinds of bullshit, but equally your army should 100% be painted and based and look like a minimum of effort has gone into it. I dig what the ITC did during SoCal open and what's happening at LVO: If they see a model that isn't 3 color and based it gets pulled off the table. They got a fair number of people, it was in the packet, and people solved the issue between rounds/days. A+ would pull models again.
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Dec 7, 2017 23:52
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Corrode posted:Agree. I rapidly lose patience with tournaments with like 20pts for basing and tons of subjective criteria for a point here, a point there and all kinds of bullshit, but equally your army should 100% be painted and based and look like a minimum of effort has gone into it. I really like the way NOVA does it. Painting has no bearing whatsoever on your performance; win every game and you're the champion. But they have a completely separate track for Best Painted and then there's Renaissance Man, which is the guy with the best battle and painting score. The only downside to NOVA's system is that in addition to one guy who wins every game there's also one guy who loses every game.
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Dec 7, 2017 23:54
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:There's that "...yet" that was always appended to "The primaris BA have no Black Rage!" kicking in. Hey, the Red Thirst was around during the Heresy. Sanguinius himself suffered from it and Amit, the captain who would become the first chapter master of the Flesh Tearers at the Second Founding, relished it. When Rogal Dorn asked Sanguinius why he tolerated Amit, known then as The Flesh Tearer, and those like him, Sanguinius quietly admitted that sometimes a horde of frothing berserkers who thirst for the blood of the living really is what the situation calls for.
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Dec 7, 2017 23:56
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Most Tournaments I go to have a 'best general' 'best sportsman' and 'best painted' and the winner of the tournament is the guy who places the highest when all three categories are combined.
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Dec 7, 2017 23:58
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Naramyth posted:I dig what the ITC did during SoCal open and what's happening at LVO: If they see a model that isn't 3 color and based it gets pulled off the table. I've seen this in a bunch of packs (I think mine used to have it in) but I don't think I've ever seen it enforced. No idea if that was because everyone complied or not though - the only time I can remember seeing completely unpainted stuff on a tourney table was a dude where he'd started playing like three weeks before the tourney date and the TOs gave him a pass because he was a nice dude who just really wanted to get a bunch of games in. Ironically those were the same guys who got fussy about Imperial Fists Terminators using the Deathwing rules. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I really like the way NOVA does it. Painting has no bearing whatsoever on your performance; win every game and you're the champion. But they have a completely separate track for Best Painted and then there's Renaissance Man, which is the guy with the best battle and painting score. I don't mind there being binary yes/no "is your army painted or not" with a minor points impact - so that between a dude who wins 5 games and has a painted army and one that wins 5 games and doesn't, the first guy fares better. It shouldn't be enough that a player with worse results places higher on the "how hard did you win" scales, though. Sportsmanship scores can gently caress offff though, I hate that stuff. It's an absolute cesspit of an award.
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Dec 8, 2017 00:01
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Sportsmanship scores are almost all perfect, with maybe 5% of games not resulting in a perfect score. In those games, the bad sportsman is usually the one giving, rather than receiving the bad score. The best way to do sportsmanship is to have favorite opponent voting. No points given for overall score, just award it to whoever got the most votes. If there's a tie, give it to whoever got the worst battle score among those players.
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Dec 8, 2017 00:08
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Cythereal posted:Sanguinius quietly admitted that sometimes a horde of frothing berserkers who thirst for the blood of the living really is what the situation calls for. Can't conquer the known galaxy without a little bit of excessive bloodlust 
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Dec 8, 2017 00:13
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Master Twig posted:Sportsmanship scores are almost all perfect, with maybe 5% of games not resulting in a perfect score. In those games, the bad sportsman is usually the one giving, rather than receiving the bad score. Yeah that's a much better approach. Get through a given number of games, then ask people who their favorite was.
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Dec 8, 2017 00:19
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Master Twig posted:Sportsmanship scores are almost all perfect, with maybe 5% of games not resulting in a perfect score. In those games, the bad sportsman is usually the one giving, rather than receiving the bad score. Favourite opponent almost always sucks too. You only play 5-6 of the possible people, which at bigger events means that you usually end up with like 10 people in the running and very little splitting them. If there is an outright winner, it's usually a guy who lost all or nearly all of his games, but is a bit of a laugh so people felt bad for him. It's either awarded by default or it's a pity award - either way it's not good.
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Dec 8, 2017 00:22
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Do the Flesh Tearers get any special rules in the new BA codex? I hope Seth still has rules at least.
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Dec 8, 2017 00:54
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spacegoat posted:Couple questions about the GSC strategems: The first one, I suspect the stratagem ignores it. The second one yeah, he gets a reroll.
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Dec 8, 2017 00:58
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Do the Flesh Tearers get any special rules in the new BA codex? I hope Seth still has rules at least. They and the Lamenters, along with the BA themselves, have been said to be three of the chapter/legion/regimental/whatever tactics in the BA codex.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:01
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:There's that "...yet" that was always appended to "The primaris BA have no Black Rage!" kicking in. They just haven't made primaris death  Cythereal posted:Hey, the Red Thirst was around during the Heresy. Sanguinius himself suffered from it and Amit, the captain who would become the first chapter master of the Flesh Tearers at the Second Founding, relished it. When Rogal Dorn asked Sanguinius why he tolerated Amit, known then as The Flesh Tearer, and those like him, Sanguinius quietly admitted that sometimes a horde of frothing berserkers who thirst for the blood of the living really is what the situation calls for. I think that was a retcon though, because originally the red thirst was triggered by Sanguinius' death. No biggie though. I can see why they'd wanna work it in.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:03
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Zaphod42 posted:I think that was a retcon though, because originally the red thirst was triggered by Sanguinius' death. Nah, it's the Black Rage that was caused by Sanguinius' death - the Black Rage is supposed to be the Angel in question having visions of Sanguinius' final hours and thinking they're him at Terra. The Horus Heresy novels speculate that the Red Thirst is a flaw in the Blood Angels gene seed.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:07
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Cythereal posted:They and the Lamenters, along with the BA themselves, have been said to be three of the chapter/legion/regimental/whatever tactics in the BA codex. There's just BA in the book, same as GK/DG - no other tactics or whatever. Seth is in the book though. He's the only non-BA thing.
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Corrode posted:There's just BA in the book, same as GK/DG - no other tactics or whatever. Seth is in the book though. He's the only non-BA thing. Oh, unfortunate. I'd read an article saying both the BA and DA would have a full suite of tactics representing them and successors.
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Corrode posted:There's just BA in the book, same as GK/DG - no other tactics or whatever. Seth is in the book though. He's the only non-BA thing. Uh, I think you're forgetting the successor only relic that literally nobody will ever take.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:12
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Cythereal posted:Nah, it's the Black Rage that was caused by Sanguinius' death - the Black Rage is supposed to be the Angel in question having visions of Sanguinius' final hours and thinking they're him at Terra. The Horus Heresy novels speculate that the Red Thirst is a flaw in the Blood Angels gene seed. Ah yeah, I forgot the subtle difference between the two.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:12
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Have any old Death Guard players managed to successfully re-integrate their ancient plague marine sculpts back into the new rendition of the army or do they look comically out of place Like plague marines have been useful for Chaos armies for many editions now and there's a ton of those old grimy models floating around so it seems like a bit of a waste to not use them
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Dec 8, 2017 01:21
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muggins posted:The first one, I suspect the stratagem ignores it. The second one yeah, he gets a reroll. Thanks. I'd figured (hoped) as much.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:23
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Zaphod42 posted:Ah yeah, I forgot the subtle difference between the two. The first Flesh Tearer has also shown up some in the BA parts of the Heresy novels, and was first mentioned by the World Eaters. Apparently the Blood Angels and World Eaters got along really well before the Heresy, and many Angels felt that the World Eaters are what the Blood Angels would have been without Sanguinius keeping them on a better path.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:30
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Holy poo poo Putrid Blight Drones are so good. I just had a pair of them (TL Plaguespitters and a FLESHMOWER) rip and spurt their way through so many loving Conscripts, pretty much carrying the day while my Plague Marines bunkered down and drew as much fire as possible.
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Dec 8, 2017 01:31
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SteelMentor posted:Holy poo poo Putrid Blight Drones are so good. I just had a pair of them (TL Plaguespitters and a FLESHMOWER) rip and spurt their way through so many loving Conscripts, pretty much carrying the day while my Plague Marines bunkered down and drew as much fire as possible.
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Dec 8, 2017 02:40
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Do World Eaters get Berzerkers as troops? How does that work between the Index and the CSM book?
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Dec 8, 2017 02:46
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Yes they do it was FAQ'd in
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Might as well repost this here from the 30k thread since it crosses over a bit: So if I wanted to build Space Wolves for 40k (after I finish my 40k Death Guard) how much of it would carry over into 30k? I appreciate a lot of things exist in one that don't in the other but how much of the army's core is lost in the jump. I would of course be painting them in Heresy colors and mixing Space Wolf and 30k kits to make them as visually consistent as possible.
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Dec 8, 2017 02:51
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PierreTheMime posted:How did the FLESHMOWER work out for you? It seems great, but that 4+ to hit makes it seem less attractive. I had the pair escorting a flying Daemon Prince (who kept inexplicably fluffing all of his attacks/psychic) so his reroll aura was helping things out a little. Anything it does connect with isn't gonna walk away unscathed.
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Dec 8, 2017 02:52
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With flybrarians being awesome now I just converted one up out of the custodes spear contemptor that I bought hoping they'd be added to 40k sometime this year. I have no idea how I'm going to transport it anywhere but it looks really cool.
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Dec 8, 2017 05:34
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Crossposting from the painting thread.quote:I've nearly finished the first unit for my new Death Guard army. I am hype.
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Dec 8, 2017 05:57
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Crossposting from the painting thread. I love these guys.. The variation in skin tones is excellent and breaks up the mass well. If it was me (and I phrase it like that because I feel they look good now and could be considered complete) I would be hitting the intestines with a baby pink glaze. This would differentiate tongues from guts. it may break up the tonal unity which you have at the moment so take this comment with a pinch of salt (and it is 0530hrs!)
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Thanks, I really appreciate the feedback. In person there's quite a bit more distinction between their purple tongues and pink/red guts. I was thinking about glossing all of the wounds & guts, then putting Blood for the Blood God sparingly around the inner edges and between guts as a way of making the elements a bit more varied. And possibly darkening the tongues a bit with a thin coat of Nuln. And maybe a very thin skim of Nurgle's Rot on the back of their tongues. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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goose willis posted:Have any old Death Guard players managed to successfully re-integrate their ancient plague marine sculpts back into the new rendition of the army or do they look comically out of place I have been gluing the 25mm bases on top of the 32mm ones which sort-of disguises the height difference. But I haven't painted up any of the newer figures yet... It's a little irritating that the poxwalkers as as big as my marines.
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How terrible is this list? I have a bunch of Iron Warriors but they're covered in old school cyber arms and whatnot so I am saying they're World Eaters. 1500 Points, 7CP Battalion Detachment HQ: Kharn HQ: Warpsmith Troops: 10x Berserkers w/ 2 plasma pistols and PF Troops: 10x Berserkers w/ 2 plasma pistols and PF Troops: 10x Berserkers w/ 2 plasma pistols and PF Spearhead Detachment HQ: Warpsmith HS: Predator Annihilator HS: 3 Obliterators HS: 3 Obliterators Mostly it's "oh poo poo what do I have lying around" but I do have another Predator Annihilator and a Vindicator.
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moths posted:I have been gluing the 25mm bases on top of the 32mm ones which sort-of disguises the height difference. Gigantism is but one of many blessings.
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