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UmOk posted:I agree. I did the same thing and it didn't flow as well as watching in release order. I think A New Hope just works so well as an introduction that you miss out by starting with Phantom Menace. That being said, after having just watched it again, it keeps going down on my preference list. It’s a very good movie, but it’s just not as interesting to think about afterwards as the other 5 Lucas films.
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Past few months I've been chipping away at Rian's VIII prep list: Twelve O Clock High Bridge on the River Kwai Three Outlaw Samurai Letter Never Sent Gunga Din Sahara To Catch a Thief Kill! And his resume (Brick, Brothers Bloom, Looper). Watching the Force Awakens in a couple days.
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Ingmar terdman posted:Past few months I've been chipping away at Rian's VIII prep list: Just out of curiosity which of Johnson’s films did you like best? I think Brick will always be my favorite, but we’ll see how TLJ is...
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The Star Wars: Watch Order Part I: Man Leaves Earth Sexology Last Man Standing Pumpkinhead Sicario Event Horizon Avatar The 5th Element
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lelandjs posted:Just out of curiosity which of Johnson’s films did you like best? I think Brick will always be my favorite, but we’ll see how TLJ is... I enjoyed them all and they are different enough to be difficult to rank, but Brick is probably the best. I loved how much he committed to forcing hardboiled dialogue into a 00s high school. You didn't ask, but just for the sake of the thread, the best discovery I had from his film picks was Letter Never Sent. That is a movie worth watching, and I'm very curious to see how that maps into TLJ in terms of inspiration.
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Ingmar terdman posted:Past few months I've been chipping away at Rian's VIII prep list: This was my exact prep list as well, and I've had a great time watching them all. I'm also most curious about how Letter Never Sent will tie in, but if I were to guess I would say that [something from the trailers] the fires behind Finn and Phasma when they fight look awfully similar.
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Bongo Bill posted:The correct order for watching Star War is in release order. I know this because I just finished watching them in chronological order. Release order flows best because that's the order that ideas are introduced into the narrative. There's definitely merit to this, and it's unavoidable that there are issues arising from the fact that the originals were made first and thus had to conform to certain parameters, but at the same time most of us are probably biased by having watched the originals first. For instance, stuff like the Force not being explicitly explained in the prequels isn't necessarily a flaw. For a first-time viewer I don't think it would be hard to gradually grasp through osmosis what the Force is and how it works on a basic level, leading up to Qui-Gon providing an explanation of it from a biological perspective. Then the explanations in the OT simply come as an elaborated examination of the Force from a metaphysical standpoint, which the prequel trilogy intentionally avoids by virtue of its thematic focus. The discourses on the Force in the OT are then just a rhetorical shift away from the biological side of the Force and toward its mystical side. Provided, of course, that you're able to accept both sides as equally valid, I don't think it matters which comes first. I don't think it's much different than watching the OT first and only gradually coming to understand the true nature of Darth Vader, only to have it finally explained in depth in the prequels. Watching in release order, you miss out on a lot of important aspects of Vader's character in A New Hope and most of Empire. If you watch it in release order you see Vader as an unfeeling monster who calmly dominates others simply to demonstrate his evil power, but if you watch it in episodic order you see Vader as a tragic figure whose human neuroses are manifesting themselves in various terrifyingly robotic ways. Of course for a lot of people the power of the plot twist outweighs all this, but I've just never placed such a huge premium on plot twists, at least not in comparison to all the other methods of telling a story. I like what Lucas said about episodic order providing for a sort of Hitchockian mode of suspense as you watch Vader, Luke, and Leia all interact with one another and anxiously await the dropping of each truth bomb. And just as you can't replicate the first-time experience of the father plot twist, you also can't replicate that first-time experience of suspenseful anxiety. It's all a matter of what you personally prefer. There's no real right way to experience the story, but personally I think episodic order makes the story more complex and interesting. Ingmar terdman posted:I enjoyed them all and they are different enough to be difficult to rank, but Brick is probably the best. I loved how much he committed to forcing hardboiled dialogue into a 00s high school. That's probably the part I liked least. When I heard about it I thought it sounded like a good idea on paper, but I found it detracted from my investment in the story because it prevented me from buying into the reality of the characters either as 1930's hard-boiled types or as modern day high schoolers. I couldn't help comparing it to a favorite of mine that's also a high school/noir fusion, Veronica Mars (the TV series, not the Kickstarter movie, that sucked), and finding Brick's execution wanting in comparison. Veronica Mars manages to create a world full of noir archetypes that actually seem to naturally fit into a modern day California high school environment--and if you can't accomplish that, what's the point of smooshing the two genres together in the first place? To intentionally create an ironic discord that draws attention to the artificial nature of reality? I guess that probably is the point of Brick, and it just wasn't my thing. Fair enough. But without the gimmick I'm not sure the movie really has anything all that special going for it, other than being a competent Maltese Falcon homage. So anyway, I respect the experiment, but I just didn't find it as effective as it should have been. That's actually how I feel about Looper as well--interesting gimmick, but ultimately the rest doesn't gel together quite as well. (I still haven't seen The Brothers Bloom, I know, I should get on that.) Would definitely rather have a passionate experimenter like Johnson on Star Wars than another type, though.
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So the premier of this is tonight and everyone gets to break their NDAs and whatnot so here's the spoiler warning which I'll be adding to the OP. Same as the rules for the thread last time. Do not post open (untagged) spoilers in this thread until a month after release. Not everyone is going to be able to see this right away. If you'd like to use untagged spoilers, please go to the spoiler thread. I'll be giving out harsher than average probations for purposefully untagged spoilers. If someone posts untagged spoilers, DO NOT QUOTE THE SPOILERS. Just report the post.
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A lot has been made of the fact that Star Wars is a pop pastiche that synthesizes and riffs on a lot of Lucas' interests, and that Attack of the Clones stands out as the film with probably the most thinly veiled homages (to controversial effect, as evidenced by this thread). In revisiting AOTC I noticed that not only were the references and homages much more on the nose and less sublimated than any other film or scene in the saga (save, perhaps, for the Sail Barge fight), but that a large majority of them evoked a distinctly 1950's American aesthetic. This is most obvious in the diner, as well as the flying taxis. But it doesn't seem to me that any of the other 5 films were so distinctly located in time like AOTC was. Has Lucas ever spoken about this or explained why he did that?
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:The Star Wars: Watch Order UmOk posted:My new watch order: I still consider this the definitive The Star Wars: Watch Order
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I hope the porgs aren't just goofy animals and are goofy animal-people, like ewoks and jawas
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Final prediction for episode 8 Snoke is actually Luke Skywalker after getting into a fire accident. The Luke training Rey on Ach-to is actually a Luke clone. One of the biggest twists of the saga
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Bulkiest Toaster posted:Final prediction for episode 8 Snoke is 7 feet tall, so clearly snoke is Bigger Luke
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Black Bones posted:I hope the porgs aren't just goofy animals and are goofy animal-people, like ewoks and jawas They're star wars minions
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The review embargo drops tonight, no?
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viral spiral posted:The review embargo drops tonight, no? There should be a cavalcade of reactions any minute now.
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Gonz posted:There should be a cavalcade of reactions any minute now. I'm predicting a 90%+ RT score because everyone seems to have voracious nerd boners for Rian Johnson for some reason.
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viral spiral posted:I'm predicting a 90%+ RT score because everyone seems to have voracious nerd boners for Rian Johnson for some reason.
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A film everyone agrees to be slightly better than ok will get a high RT score. The film's riding on such a wave of hype there's no way to tell how good it is yet. I'm sure I'll enjoy it though.
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They’ve been showing episode 2 o tv lately and I dunno if I just convinced myself it wasn’t so apparent but the movie looks really aged and like a FMV game now because of everything being green screen. Is this just a product of time or was it this bad back then too?
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Empress Brosephine posted:They’ve been showing episode 2 o tv lately and I dunno if I just convinced myself it wasn’t so apparent but the movie looks really aged and like a FMV game now because of everything being green screen. Is this just a product of time or was it this bad back then too? It was bad back then.
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The opposite is true: AOTC, along with the Lord of the Rings films, inspired the look and feel of a thousand 'cinematic' cutscenes.
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Empress Brosephine posted:They’ve been showing episode 2 o tv lately and I dunno if I just convinced myself it wasn’t so apparent but the movie looks really aged and like a FMV game now because of everything being green screen. Is this just a product of time or was it this bad back then too? This is very insightful. You nay be the first person to compare movie effects with FMV in video games. I, personally, feel that AotC looks like the end credits from Super Mario Boners 3.
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Sorry, I just meant that haze around everyone, and the lighting, not so much the effects.
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Empress Brosephine posted:Oh no, does LOTR look bad too? Yes. Even though they were all filmed at the same time, for some reason FotR looks the best, even though you'd think it'd have the least time devoted to it
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josh04 posted:The opposite is true: AOTC, along with the Lord of the Rings films, inspired the look and feel of a thousand 'cinematic' cutscenes. But it looks more like a live action FMV cutscene, which pre-dates AOTC.
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Empress Brosephine posted:Oh no, does LOTR look bad too? I would say no, at least compared to those Star Wars prequels. The in-camera orc costumes never had the uncanney valley effect like those digital stormtroopers did.
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As a 13 year old the # of lightsaber guys and fights we're AMAZING and CG was kewl As an adult it's bad. Georgie new his audience
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Davros1 posted:I never knew the Clone Troopers were CGI until it was pointed out How
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Cartoony special effects, in my star wars???
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Davros1 posted:I never knew the Clone Troopers were CGI until it was pointed out turn your tv on
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It’s not just the CGI, the cameras Lucas used on eps 2&3 had garbage sensors so the live action footage looks terrible. It’s especially hilarious on the blu-rays because you’ve got low-detail badly lit Ewan McGregor comped in to a room that looks like it belongs in a mid-00’s video game. There are some comp issues in LotR as well—go back and watch the opening battle in FotR. Elrond looks green in comparison to the CGI people fighting “beside” him and there’s obvious haloing. Thankfully there’s not a ton of stuff like that, but there’s some if you look closely enough. Almost special effects fall apart, though, given enough time. The only notable example I can think of where it still stands up is Jurassic Park. The stop motion puppet at the end of Terminator is more funny than terrifying these days. I’m not a huge fan of revisionism in film but I would be OK if Cameron went back and replaced the puppet with a CGI terminator exoskeleton. BTTF 2&3 have held up pretty well, but there are some places in 1 that could benefit from some cleanup, too—changing the lightning around the DeLorean from hand drawn to the CGI they used in 2&3 would help the movies look a little more consistent, if nothing else. asecondduck fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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I think you could make the mistake of thinking the clone troopers were real in some parts of revenge of the sith, but in AOTC almost every time you see the clone troopers its in an epic a battle shot that is clearly cg. I think AOTC looks especially bad because it was one of the first major digital films. Revenge looks so much better.
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The clones in cockpits and many of the clones in tight shots/dialogue scenes are real. Temuera Morrison word a bodysuit and they painted the armor on. Also in ROTS they hired ex-military guys to run around and jump over logs for animation reference. After watching AOTC they realized that many of the clones run around and navigate a battlefield like doughy Bay Area computer animators.
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