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It can be pretty incomprehensible to me, sometimes. I married into a Finlandssvenska family and I live in a town with a lot of Swedes, so I really haven't put the most effort into learning Finnish.
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Rexroom posted:Huh, I thought years of harassment of the press from "immigration critics" would've hinted her how much trust was in the establishment, but someone schedules alpacas in the same square, and now you see agents trying to disrupt civil society. Read the article again
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Darkest Auer posted:Read the article again Already read it. It's about how trust in other people and how this thing with alpacas is undermining it in a way that might throw us to the level of Turkey where there isn't trust in anyone except some politicians who tell them exactly what they want to hear. Kinda like Halla-aho and his ilk who tell them the Truth that the so-called "free" press obscure behind their blind convictions. Maybe you should read it for me?
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I will read it for you all. It is about how you should be openly political, not hiddenly political. All the frills about Turkey or whatever are irrelevant. Also, don't forget: doverhog posted:Absolutely nothing is "apolitical".
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Dec 10, 2017 15:16
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Far leftists tend to not like cops because their primary job is seen as enforcement of order through violence or the threat of it, rather than helping victims of crime. That the bad apples everyone can see are cultivated by a system which lets cops routinely break or decide not to enforce the law as long as they are loyal to the institution (i.e. don’t engage in crime that is deemed to hurt the legitimacy of the police). The principle is the same for Finnish cops, the surrounding system just demands much more of them, as seen in the amount of training they receive, a culture that tends to see traditional authoritarian methods as signs of incompetence (think Tuntematon) and suspects&perpetrators of crime as equally human to the rest of the population etc. But ultimately the difference is seen in terms of a population forcing the police to take more responsibility despite their systemic tendency toward laziness&criminality.
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Krabboss posted:It can be pretty incomprehensible to me, sometimes. I married into a Finlandssvenska family and I live in a town with a lot of Swedes, so I really haven't put the most effort into learning Finnish. Dare I ask where?
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Dec 10, 2017 16:23
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Swedish is probably easier to learn and you can get a Finnish passport with it just as well. You can also make Finnish-speaking Finns uncomfortable, it's like a superpower.
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Dec 10, 2017 16:25
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I just took my Swedish language exam and am filling in the citizenship application, feels so right.
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Dec 10, 2017 16:33
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I just had a middle aged black guy tell to my face that sometimes cops just have to defend themselves, hence it's okay that police in developing countries like the USA slaughter people all the time. In that regard Finnish police are pretty good, even though this country is full of guns and puukkos they don't panic as easily as PTSD ridden American sheriffs do.
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Dec 10, 2017 16:51
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doverhog posted:She is absolutely right, bunny and alpakka mies should have just openly said he was against nazis. It would've made his message stronger and avoided this. What kind of weak-rear end anti-nazi guy denies being against nazis when asked about it? Tää on aika helvetin hyvä "hot take" kuten amerikkalaiset nuoret sanoisivat
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If you disagree feel free to tell us why.
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turpa kiinni vaasalais äiät
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Krabboss posted:It can be pretty incomprehensible to me, sometimes. I married into a Finlandssvenska family and I live in a town with a lot of Swedes, so I really haven't put the most effort into learning Finnish. nauti giljotiinista perkele
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https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005485251.html Finland again kärjessä, hyvä me.  In other news, https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3750450&pagenumber=275&perpage=40#post478976424 
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Swedish is probably easier to learn and you can get a Finnish passport with it just as well. You can also make Finnish-speaking Finns uncomfortable, it's like a superpower. You don't have to sing loudly whenever drunk in Swedish to make Finns uncomfortable, you can just sing loudly whenever drunk in any language.
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Nenonen posted:I just had a middle aged black guy tell to my face that sometimes cops just have to defend themselves, hence it's okay that police in developing countries like the USA slaughter people all the time. In that regard Finnish police are pretty good, even though this country is full of guns and puukkos they don't panic as easily as PTSD ridden American sheriffs do.  at thinking the USA is a developing country instead of a devolving country.
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Dec 10, 2017 22:41
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Rappaport posted:Tää on aika helvetin hyvä "hot take" kuten amerikkalaiset nuoret sanoisivat Hmm, I realized that you probably meant hot take in a positive fashion, so thanks.  In actual American slang it has a negative connotation as dumb, simplistic, hyperbolic, etc.
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HerraS posted:nauti giljotiinista perkele Be nice, it isn't my fault Finnish is a useless language in the rest of the world.
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Dec 10, 2017 23:46
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Think he was referring to Swedish speaking Finns being rich, not the language. Not that that makes it a good post.
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doverhog posted:Think he was referring to Swedish speaking Finns being rich, not the language. Not that that makes it a good post. If you want good posts, you’re in the wrong threadi.
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doverhog posted:Hmm, I realized that you probably meant hot take in a positive fashion, so thanks. Joo, kattelen herra Colber'n ohjelmaa, mutta tosiaan tarkoitin olla samaa mieltä että jos joku on anti-rasistisin motiivein liikenteessä niin miksei sitä voisi sanoa ääneen, se ei ole nähdäkseni kovinkaan, öö, vihamielinen näkökanta. Ja nyt tästä ghazista saadaan sitten lukea uhriutumista viikkotolkulla, että ei ehkä mennyt täysin putkeen. 
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väittääkö joku, että tässä ketjussa postataan muutakin kuin paskaa 
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En ole tehny mitään varsinaista tutkimusta asiasta, mutta ite ainakin yritän viestitellä teidän iloks jotain muutakin ku silkkaa paskaa, voitko ite sanoa samaa?
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Dec 11, 2017 08:18
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tästä ketjusta on jo bännitty kaikki joiden viesteillä on mitään viihdearvoa
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Dec 11, 2017 08:32
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I miss Ligur and his crazy rear end too. He was kinda like Paavo Väyrynen, funny to have around if you don't take it too seriously. 
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throw to first drat IT posted:https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005485251.html It's depressing that the second generation descendents of immigrants aren't getting the recognition they deserve, but are more or less regarded as non-Finn's despite speaking Finnish. That's not good form, and only helps in alienating them from society. I guess that largely explains why a lot of people traveled to Syria to join ISIS. Generally it's pretty lovely to be in Finland as a foreigner of poor origins, since the courts are willing to bend the rules a bit even to throw a Thai kid back to Thailand from caring foster parents to her reluctant divorced piss-poor father because the court deems it "to her advantage". Just what is the court's agenda on this?
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Rexroom posted:It's depressing that the second generation descendents of immigrants aren't getting the recognition they deserve, but are more or less regarded as non-Finn's despite speaking Finnish. That's not good form, and only helps in alienating them from society. I guess that largely explains why a lot of people traveled to Syria to join ISIS. racism
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It's the lovely law. The immigration law has this concept of "actual family tie" which supersedes formal, legal family ties. It doesn't matter who has legal custody, the mother who lives in Finland separated voluntarily from the girl years ago and that severed the "actual family tie". These discussions always revolve around Migri or the courts but more often than not the root is in the law, which politicians could change, but they don't want to, so it's easier to talk about the process and not the law behind the process.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:It's the lovely law. The immigration law has this concept of "actual family tie" which supersedes formal, legal family ties. It doesn't matter who has legal custody, the mother who lives in Finland separated voluntarily from the girl years ago and that severed the "actual family tie". It's a lovely law, yes. But the interpretations of it are also extremely racist.
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I can't really go into it because of ongoing cases but Migri is pretty comfortable doing what some would call "shady poo poo".
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Kehveli posted:I can't really go into it because of ongoing cases but Migri is pretty comfortable doing what some would call "shady poo poo". Why is that? Are the virkamiehet servants of the Master or something?
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I think some it is more a function of not really being publicly scrutinized enough. Note that I've really more come across them in contract stuff than actual deportation/immigration things though, so a lot of it might be as simple as it is with any organization as far as intitutions go (we're bigger than you, just make this easy on yourself). I'm trying to be pretty general even if we're on a dead gay forum, just to be safe. But hurdles and straight up trying to get one over you that I haven't really run into with other big government actors or if working with municipalities. edit: Not trying to be paranoid or a tease, just dont like to talk specifics in terms of ongoing things with another/multiple parties involved. Kehveli fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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Or it might have something to do with making decisions impartially instead of acquiescing to every sob story without question.
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Darkest Auer posted:Or it might have something to do with making decisions impartially instead of acquiescing to every sob story without question. Hmm yes that is why the number of rejections magically increased when Finland started getting a non-insignificant number of refugees and there was the biggest political älämölö in the ages. They just became impartial where they weren't that before...
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DarkCrawler posted:Hmm yes that is why the number of rejections magically increased when Finland started getting a non-insignificant number of refugees and there was the biggest political älämölö in the ages. They just became impartial where they weren't that before...
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Darkest Auer posted:How is it surprising that the amount of bullshit claims increases with the total number of people requesting to stay in the country? The amount of relative bullshit claims increasing when there's a major conflict displacing millions of people is quite interesting.
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No conspiracy is required. The asylum decisions are always based on somewhat arbitrary acceptance thresholds that are ultimately set by politicians. When the number of applicants went up, those thresholds were raised by the government. Before you had to be *this* oppressed to get asylum, now you have to be *THIS* oppressed.
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Darkest Auer posted:How is it surprising that the amount of bullshit claims increases with the total number of people requesting to stay in the country? Because I am not talking about the total amount but the relative amount.
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