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Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

CelticPredator posted:

I've only ever heard of this thing through Cameron's talk. And I thought it was a show with Jessica Alba, but that was another Cameron joint with the world Angel in it.

Yeah, that show was what Cameron created when the Battle Angel writer refused to sell Cameron the rights.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
RPO is literally about how a rich guy made a video game out of all his favourite 80's references and said the best at it will inherit all his stuff and maybe have a chance at unfucking the world, with the implication that the future's pop culture has been completely obliterated by everyone desperately studying the past so they can be number one.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost
Everything I hear about RPO just makes me turn away in disgust.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Pretty sure that no solution to the world's problems is found at the end of the book.

"Hide from the world's problems in a video game!" and "We must save our video games at all costs!" are maybe not the best messages to be sending in the age of Trump and Gamergate. I expect Spielberg would try to fix that a bit but he might as well be trying to adjust the messaging in The Turner Diaries, it's that much of a piece of poo poo.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
This is actual prose from Ready Player One: A Novel. This is not a joke:

quote:

Halliday is at a dance being held at a high school gymnasium. He's surrounded by teenagers whose clothing, hairstyles and dance moves all indicate that the time period is the late 1980s. Halliday is dancing, too--something no one ever saw him do in real life. Grinning maniacally, he spins in rapid circles, swinging his arms and head in time with the song, flawlessly cycling through several signature 80's dance moves. But Halliday has no dance partner. He is, as the saying goes, dancing with himself.

Just what is a signature 80's dance move? Grabbing up on your nuts?

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN
Ready Player One is the ultimate text illustrating the ideology of nerdism. Regardless of its (horrendous) quality, it absolutely did predict the Disney/FOX purchase and the attendant “now we can have X-Men in the MCU!” reactions. It could only have been the product of an utterly sociopathic shamelessness.

The antidote to it are the satires of nerdism: Gamer, Chappie, and Sucker Punch.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

This is actual prose from Ready Player One: A Novel. This is not a joke:


Just what is a signature 80's dance move? Grabbing up on your nuts?

based on everything i've heard and read about RPO, i am incredibly impressed that Cline had the self-control to not follow that with "...which is a song from the 1980s by Billy Idol"

actually, that paragraph is also very indicative of who exactly the book is aimed at: people who can picture "The 1980s" in their head. You point out that there's no description of the dance moves, but there's no description of anything. He literally just says that everything "indicate[s] that the time period is the late 1980s." in 20 years that will mean basically nothing to anyone picking up the book unless they have a preconceived notion of what the 1980s looked like. a 20-something in 2030 is gonna pick up this book and immediately say "this is loving garbage" because all of the references are going to be even more out of date; it's like one of those Looney Tunes shorts that no one watches anymore because it's just a series of caricatures of celebrities that most people don't remember. And those references are all it has going for it because this sort of story (even ignoring the blatant subtext of "just lose yourself in this world to get away from your troubles, nothing wrong with that!!) is told much more effectively in a million other books about unexciting white boys going on an adventure to save the world.

edit:

Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Steps_Out

quote:

A large bird's-eye view of Los Angeles is shown with searchlights moving to a conga beat. The action takes place in the famed Ciro's nightclub, where the Hollywood stars are having dinner — at $50 ($814.14 today) a plate and "easy terms". The first stars seen are Claudette Colbert, Don Ameche, and, at a table behind them, Adolphe Menjou and Norma Shearer, followed by Cary Grant, seated alone. Grant talks to himself: "What a place! What a place! It's as pretty as a picture. But if I ever told my favorite wife the awful truth I'd land right on the front page. Yessireee Bobby." (All these jokes are references to some of his films, although The Front Page was retitled His Girl Friday after it was mostly completed.)

Then Greta Garbo comes along selling "cigars, cigarettes, butts." Grant buys some, tossing a quarter ($4.07 today) into her tray and asks her for a light. She lifts her enormous foot on the table and strikes a match on her shoe, then lights his cigarette. (In real life she had an average women's shoe size 8, but her penchant for wearing mannish footwear in public and house slippers on film sets led to a popular myth of her possessing very large feet, and this was caricatured repeatedly in Warner Brothers cartoons of the era.)

In the next scene Edward G. Robinson asks Ann Sheridan, "How's the Oomph girl tonight?" She responds by uttering the word "Oomph" several times. Her final "Oomph" surprises him. (She was a sex symbol known as the "Oomph" girl in those years.)

The camera then tracks past some tables: the first one has Henry Binder and Leon Schlesinger sitting there as an in-joke, while the soundtrack quotes "Merrily We Roll Along" — the theme to the Merrie Melodies series. (Schlesinger was producer for the Looney Tunes cartoons and Binder was his assistant.) The camera shows some other tables which are reserved for people: Bette Davis, a large sofa for Kate Smith (a well known singer at the time, noted for her ample girth), and the last table is reserved for comic strip (and movie and radio) characters: Blondie, Dagwood, and Baby Dumpling, with a fire hydrant for Daisy the dog.

Meanwhile, in the cloakroom Johnny Weissmuller has arrived. He leaves his overcoat behind to reveal his Tarzan outfit, with the single addition of tuxedo collar and black bowtie. Sally Rand (famous for her striptease acts and fan dance), leaves her trademark feather "fans" behind and leaves presumably naked, as only her hands are seen and not her entire torso.

In the next scene James Cagney informs Humphrey Bogart and George Raft - all three were known for their "tough guy" roles - that they must prepare to do something risky. They get ready, turn, and start pitching pennies. Harpo Marx, usually the prankster in the Marx Brothers films, sticks some matches under Garbo's foot, then lights them. She reacts very slowly and coolly to the pain, a parallel to her serene and composed acting style by unhurriedly saying, "Ouuchhh." Then Clark Gable spots a girl, whom he follows with his head turning around 180 degrees (He was known for his womanizing).

After this, Bing Crosby announces the first act that evening. During his speech he is interrupted by a jockey on a race horse (a reference to his fondness for horse racing — he owned several race horses — and his lack of luck in that sport. Jokes about his horse racing passion would be referred to in other Warner Brothers cartoons as well, such as Porky's Preview and The Old Grey Hare). He then introduces the first musical number by conductor Leopold Stokowski. Stokowski, seen with a snood containing his long hair, prepares himself dramatically and seriously to conducting what looks to be a classical orchestral arrangement. However, it's the conga "Ahí, viene la conga" that he conducts, moving rhythmically to the beat as he does so.

The beat "does something" to Dorothy Lamour, who is seen sitting at a table with James Stewart. She begs him to go dancing with her. He starts stuttering and hesitating, but in the end agrees to follow her to the dance floor. (He was known for his "shy guy" type roles.) When she stands up, revealing her outfit to be a very short sarong and moves her body to the beat, he gets scared and runs away, leaving a sign reading "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," the title of one of his best-known films at that time.

The next shot shows Gable again, moving to the beat and at the same time following the girl he saw earlier.

Tyrone Power dances with Sonja Henie, known for her ice-skating movies, who is still wearing her ice skates. Frankenstein's monster is dancing very stiffly and woodenly. The Three Stooges poke and smash each other in rhythm to the beat, a reference to their famous "poke in the eye" slapstick films. Oliver Hardy dances with someone as well and is shown from the back. When he turns his face to the camera he is revealed to be dancing with two girls at the same time; a double reference to his "ladies man" routine within the Laurel and Hardy series and also to his obesity. Cesar Romero, known for his roles as a Latin lover, dances with Rita Hayworth in another send-up or tease. They are shown in the long shot to be dancing clumsily with almost no coordination. In reality, they were considered to be two of Hollywood's finest dancers.

The camera then cuts to Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland sitting at a table. The waiter brings an expensive bill, which shocks Rooney. He asks his "father", Judge Hardy (Lewis Stone), for a favor. In the next scene they are seen washing the dishes to the conga beat. This is a reference to the Andy Hardy film series in which Rooney played the small town boy who always got into trouble with money and girls. Stone played his father, Judge Hardy; Garland played his girlfriend.

Gable is shown still following the girl, giving an aside to the audience: "Don't go away folks, this oughta be good!" Crosby then introduces the final act, the "feature attraction of the evening." Sally Rand (identified as "Sally Strand") performs the bubble dance to "I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles" in her birthday suit, which is never seen, although areas of her torso are revealed. She is shown standing with a large bright white bubble (it is never revealed how she got one like that, let alone whether she brought it in, or if it's a night club prop she borrowed) held in front of her nude body center stage in a dim place, with a bright light shining on her to signal the start of the dance. Instead of throwing the bubble around and doing spins and twists like she does in another short, she performs the dance by walking around the stage and manipulating the bubble in front of her nude body.

During the bubble dance, several celebrities in the audience react to the dance in different ways. Kay Kyser (a well-known band leader at the time, nicknamed "The Professor" because he and his band were featured on radio's "The Kollege Of Musical Knowledge") is shown dressed in his "Professor" square academic cap. He is excited by the act and shouts out, "Students!", which was his catchphrase on the radio show: Whenever a contestant missed an answer, he called out to his audience for the correct answer. A group of men look, whistle in unison, and exclaim, "Baby!" They are William Powell, Spencer Tracy, Ronald Colman, and Errol Flynn. Sitting down are Wallace Beery and C. Aubrey Smith. Peter Lorre, known for his portrayal of sinister and weird characters, says dreamily, "I haven't seen such a beautiful bubble since I was a child." This is a possible reference to his breakthrough film role in Europe, a movie titled "M", in which he played a murderous child molester. Henry Fonda enjoys the act too, but is pulled away by his mother. This is a reference to the popular radio show The Aldrich Family which always opened with the cry: "Hen-RYYYYY! Henry Aldrich!" by the mother of the teenage title character, Henry Aldrich, who always replied, "Coming, Mother!" (Fonda replies in the voice of Jimmy Lydon, who played Henry.) J. Edgar Hoover says "Gee!" several times as a pun to his function as G-man. Boris Karloff, Arthur Treacher, Buster Keaton, and Mischa Auer watch the spectacle without any emotion, which was typical for their film roles: All were known for playing dour, deadpan characters. Ned Sparks, another famous movie "grouch" asks them if they are having a good time. They all respond in unison with a terse and dry, "Yes." Jerry Colonna reacts in excitement to the act and utters his catchphrases "Guess who?", and the camera reveals an invisible character next to him: "Yehudi!" ("Who's Yehudi?" was his famous catchphrase, referring to a violinist he could never find, hence an "invisible man".) The camera zooms back to Strand lifting up her bubble, whereupon the camera follows it, with her out of sight, thus never revealing her nude body, and the bubble comes back down again, She catches it and is once again holding it in front of her.

Finally, Harpo Marx shoots the bubble with an improvised slingshot. It bursts and Strand is shown wearing a barrel underneath. She reacts with shock, and the curtains close to signify the end of the dance. The conga stops and the cartoon cuts to Gable, who has finally caught the girl he was chasing, insisting she kiss him. "She" turns out to be Groucho Marx in drag. He says to Gable, "Well, fancy meeting you here!"

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Dec 11, 2017

Altared State
Jan 14, 2006

I think I was born to burn

davidspackage posted:

Everything I hear about RPO just makes me turn away in disgust.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Like the Marvel weapon developer comic, RPO is no worse than what's come before - it's just too obvious.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

Man, I can't wait for this movie to have come and gone. I hate reading about it, it almost offends me. :(

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
80s nostalgia was hilarious back when they had Hulk Hogan and Vanilla Ice on VH1. That was like, 2006. It's now a religion and this is the Dianetics

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

DC Murderverse posted:

based on everything i've heard and read about RPO, i am incredibly impressed that Cline had the self-control to not follow that with "...which is a song from the 1980s by Billy Idol"

actually, that paragraph is also very indicative of who exactly the book is aimed at: people who can picture "The 1980s" in their head. You point out that there's no description of the dance moves, but there's no description of anything. He literally just says that everything "indicate[s] that the time period is the late 1980s." in 20 years that will mean basically nothing to anyone picking up the book unless they have a preconceived notion of what the 1980s looked like. a 20-something in 2030 is gonna pick up this book and immediately say "this is loving garbage" because all of the references are going to be even more out of date; it's like one of those Looney Tunes shorts that no one watches anymore because it's just a series of caricatures of celebrities that most people don't remember. And those references are all it has going for it because this sort of story (even ignoring the blatant subtext of "just lose yourself in this world to get away from your troubles, nothing wrong with that!!) is told much more effectively in a million other books about unexciting white boys going on an adventure to save the world.

edit:

Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Steps_Out

That was fun to read and imagine, i havent seen it in at least a decade. https://youtu.be/xOFG_qmoH8I

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

DC Murderverse posted:

based on everything i've heard and read about RPO, i am incredibly impressed that Cline had the self-control to not follow that with "...which is a song from the 1980s by Billy Idol"


A song from the 70s by Generation X you mean.
:goonsay:

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

Are we absolutely positively sure rpo isn't a satire? Maybe NYT et al. thought it was a satire.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



SciFiDownBeat posted:

Are we absolutely positively sure rpo isn't a satire? Maybe NYT et al. thought it was a satire.

It is not satire.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


He wrote another book that was exactly the same, so no it isn't satire.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

SciFiDownBeat posted:

Are we absolutely positively sure rpo isn't a satire? Maybe NYT et al. thought it was a satire.
only if the entire "only 80s kids will remember this" listicle genre is some elaborate work of satire because they are functionally indistinguishable from rpo

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

Just what is a signature 80's dance move? Grabbing up on your nuts?

There's the zombie walk from Thriller and... the side-to-side claw swing from Thiller.

So yes, all MJ moves.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
IDK why Spielberg is even bothering, a perfect adaptation of RP1 already exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9W6bnsDaeI

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

SciFiDownBeat posted:

Are we absolutely positively sure rpo isn't a satire? Maybe NYT et al. thought it was a satire.

I almost thought this when I saw his spoken poetry work, check out "Nerd Porn Auteur."

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

I hope the entire video game hunt plot gets abandoned halfway through the film and the kid joins a communist revolution or something.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Red Bones posted:

I hope the entire video game hunt plot gets abandoned halfway through the film and the kid joins a communist revolution or something.

Luckily, The Hunger Games already exists.

Kart Barfunkel
Nov 10, 2009


This is not the first turd Spielberg has polished, although it may be the worst.

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



The very basic premise of Ready Player One - that the entire world is in thrall to the whims of an elderly, white software developer obsessed with the pop culture of the eighties, to the point where Earth's environment has completely deteriorated, its nations are ruled by under-qualified celebrities, and everyone has nihilistically abandoned all hope for reality and abandoned it for a crappy videogame - has a lot of promise and is fairly relevant to our society today. The fact that the main character and everyone around him is obsessed with the mere aesthetics of eighties cinema and TV, the actual physical artifacts of those days rather than the values they demonstrate or their underlying themes rings true, if darkly. The antagonist being an evil corporation that only wants to use eighties culture to make money seems like the half-stirring of an actual subversive point.

The problem is that these ideas should be criticized because they're going to destroy the planet, but Ernest Cline (and the Silicon Valley people who love RPO) believe that this is the way the world should be, and that is horrible.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

While pretty much everything has been nightmarish and terrible in 2017, this has been the best year in video games for half a decade at least.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

pospysyl posted:

The very basic premise of Ready Player One - that the entire world is in thrall to the whims of an elderly, white software developer obsessed with the pop culture of the eighties, to the point where Earth's environment has completely deteriorated, its nations are ruled by under-qualified celebrities, and everyone has nihilistically abandoned all hope for reality and abandoned it for a crappy videogame - has a lot of promise and is fairly relevant to our society today. The fact that the main character and everyone around him is obsessed with the mere aesthetics of eighties cinema and TV, the actual physical artifacts of those days rather than the values they demonstrate or their underlying themes rings true, if darkly. The antagonist being an evil corporation that only wants to use eighties culture to make money seems like the half-stirring of an actual subversive point.

The problem is that these ideas should be criticized because they're going to destroy the planet, but Ernest Cline (and the Silicon Valley people who love RPO) believe that this is the way the world should be, and that is horrible.

I found the idea that the human race would just stop creating pop culture pretty horrifying. I don't like the Warhammer 40k grimdark lore, but the part where humanity hasn't created new technology in millennia because they're in a desperate and hopeless end of times dark age gives me the same feeling. And there's something to the idea of using nostalgia and pop culture as a weapon to keep people in line or just rake in the dollars while not bettering society, since that's essentially much more malicious clickbait.

That last sentence is why I enjoyed RPO while I was reading it, but the spell wore off as soon as I was done and realized what it had done to me. The problem is that RPO isn't satire, and it expertly avoids going in the direction of any kind of meaning.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
RPO just sounds dumb to me. I also hated Scott Pilgrim, so I may just be a curmudgeonly old man.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

I disliked Scott Pilgrim because it was a little too twee for me, but at least it had a plot and a main character who theoretically loving changed as a person instead of being literally given the world in reward for being a useless loving dipshit.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
I didn't like Scott Pilgrim but at least it had heart.

RPO is basically a compilation of 80's and 90's TV commercials smashed together into a movie.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



I've consumed a bunch of popular media this year where the lesson is to reject nihilism and understand that everything has meaning (e. G. Bojack horseman, nier automata, night in the woods) but somehow Spielberg decides that 2018 we should get a movie where corporate nihilism has won and the only life achievement attainable is winning a video game contest to find an obscure Easter egg hidden by Notch

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

Rock the Mok



A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Obligatory RPO post:



also

and yes, he is describing his own car



Also I guess he blocked me on twitter after I blocked him for bothering me so lol

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Cline and Penn are also responsible for this btw http://m.imdb.com/title/tt3715406/

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



Golden Globe nominations are in.

The Best Film, Comedy or Musical looks crazy competitive with Lady Bird, Get Out, and The Disaster Artist.

Lost City of Z and Mudbound were snubbed, as expected, but so was The Florida Project. Florida didn't make it onto my top ten of the year, but I'm suprised the only nomination it got was for Willem Dafoe. They didn't even nominate the kid.

The Boss Baby is now a Golden Globe nominated movie, so that's fun.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

pospysyl posted:

Golden Globe nominations are in.

The Best Film, Comedy or Musical looks crazy competitive with Lady Bird, Get Out, and The Disaster Artist.

Lost City of Z and Mudbound were snubbed, as expected, but so was The Florida Project. Florida didn't make it onto my top ten of the year, but I'm suprised the only nomination it got was for Willem Dafoe. They didn't even nominate the kid.

The Boss Baby is now a Golden Globe nominated movie, so that's fun.

If The Shape Of Water could get a Drama nom, then Get Out should have done so, too.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
RP1 reminds me of a family guy episode (family watches it, dont judge!!!) where peter becomes a hyper-successful romantic novel writer, and all his books are written like "Her boobs were big, and she was skinny in a hot way. The guy was very hung and also a millionaire. They were also naked and were really into doing it". Just complete boiled-down trash going through the motions and expecting the reader to already know about what's inside and what they want.

"And then the robot from the japanese show you like appeared and shot a weapon at the bad guy from the matrix. The hipster girl and the boring schlub nerd were relieved and also liked each other more. Suddenly your favorite fast and furious car showed up and a league of legends character told him that they needed his help defeating satan (the capcom one), because he was now CEO of the zombie company and the robocop company"

not trolled not crying
Jan 29, 2007

21st Century Awezome Man

pospysyl posted:

Golden Globe nominations are in.

The Best Film, Comedy or Musical looks crazy competitive with Lady Bird, Get Out, and The Disaster Artist.

Lost City of Z and Mudbound were snubbed, as expected, but so was The Florida Project. Florida didn't make it onto my top ten of the year, but I'm suprised the only nomination it got was for Willem Dafoe. They didn't even nominate the kid.

The Boss Baby is now a Golden Globe nominated movie, so that's fun.

I was mostly amused by Christopher Plummer's nomination for All The Money in the World. I'm sure he is good in it, but there's got to be at least a little bit of "gently caress you, Kevin Spacey" in that nomination. Which is good.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The thing that drives me nuts the most is how RP1 and the culture around it doesn't actually engage with those things, but simply references them for reference's sake. Like, Mobile Suit Gundam is about the all-consuming nature of war and how it chews up the innocent only to spit them back out as shattered human being beings and has remained so throughout it's more modern inceptions, like Origin and Thunderbolt, but that trailer just has a split second of an RX-78 because that's the only everyone knows. It's incredibly hosed up just how utterly cynical and shallow it is.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Cline also wrote the loving terrible Fanboys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdoJujK7hSs

(I feel dirty for even posting it)

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

The worst part about RP1 is going to be the killjoy who wants nothing to do with it while all my friends talk about how awesome it is.

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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Timby posted:

Cline also wrote the loving terrible Fanboys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdoJujK7hSs

(I feel dirty for even posting it)

I had a friend make me watch that. The only thing I remember was Ethan Suplee as Harry Knowles

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