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Typo posted:2010 internet meme crashing global economy while 2016 internet meme starts global nuclear war 
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I like to imagine im hearing a few more notes from in the hall of the mountain king every time a new bitcoin news headline appears
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Dec 12, 2017 23:12
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i just purchased some bitcoin because i would like the bubble to grow so big it crashes the economy and i will try to time it and sell for a 10000% profit and then as a bonus the economy crashes lmao hail satan let's do this 
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Dec 12, 2017 23:17
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:e: also capitalism would be a lot scarier if there was a dragon who was basically hunger incarnate as the ceo of a fortune 500 company HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE DRAGON OF BUDAPEST, MR CHAPO?!
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Dec 12, 2017 23:46
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Typo posted:holy gently caress something which first got started on 2010 internet and got mocked on sa on its inception bled into real life slowly over the course of the last few years Goons!!! 
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Dec 12, 2017 23:57
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What the gently caress has the rest of the modern world been doing all this time, that people like us were able to matter in any way
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Dec 13, 2017 00:03
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1982 Subaru Brat posted:What the gently caress has the rest of the modern world been doing all this time, that people like us were able to matter in any way Violent revolutions within living memory?
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Dec 13, 2017 00:05
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1982 Subaru Brat posted:What the gently caress has the rest of the modern world been doing all this time, that people like us were able to matter in any way Mostly getting murdered by our drone strikes and shooty crashy planes lmao
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Dec 13, 2017 00:05
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i love the fantasy everyone has man if only i bought 100 BTC when it was $3 each! (and didn't sell when BTC was $10..$100..$1000...$5000..$10000..$17000). or trade them for Research Chemicals.
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Dec 13, 2017 01:41
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https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/940743661108723712
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Dec 13, 2017 01:43
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lol how many bitcoins do the nk elites have
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Dec 13, 2017 02:10
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Shear Modulus posted:lol how many bitcoins do the nk elites have probably a lot since they do a lot of those ransomware viruses
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Dec 13, 2017 02:11
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Minrad posted:I like to imagine im hearing a few more notes from in the hall of the mountain king every time a new bitcoin news headline appears This is pretty perfect for how I feel about the whole situation.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:36
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Mycroft Holmes posted:yeah, but you dont have absolute power of life and death liken when you control the very air people breathe. Well once atmospheric CO2 concentrations begin to break 1000 ppm or higher by the end of the century the rich will probably have power over the air people breathe anyway, with places of high end employment and education and health care having access to CO2 filters/pumps so their cognitive functions aren't significantly negatively impacted. People will need to pay to have access to sufficiently clean air so they can think. This will probably make suppressing effective dissent a lot easier. Not that that would be hard even if we had clean air, given that we'll probably have autonomous cop drones by then and everyone will live in surveillance cubes
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Dec 13, 2017 02:55
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Goon Danton posted:This is pretty perfect for how I feel about the whole situation. https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/South-Korea-joins-Asian-trend-as-it-mulls-ban-on-bitcoin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp_Hh6DKWc&t=94s
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Dec 13, 2017 02:58
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too bit to failMinrad posted:I like to imagine im hearing a few more notes from in the hall of the mountain king every time a new bitcoin news headline appears speaking of that song, does anyone know why they used part of it for the sonic cartoon theme? https://youtu.be/UCaWI8_3VLU got any sevens fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Dec 13, 2017 04:06
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A Spherical Sponge posted:Well once atmospheric CO2 concentrations begin to break 1000 ppm or higher by the end of the century the rich will probably have power over the air people breathe anyway, with places of high end employment and education and health care having access to CO2 filters/pumps so their cognitive functions aren't significantly negatively impacted. People will need to pay to have access to sufficiently clean air so they can think. This will probably make suppressing effective dissent a lot easier. Not that that would be hard even if we had clean air, given that we'll probably have autonomous cop drones by then and everyone will live in surveillance cubes Bingo.   We'll be leaving "healthy, normal outside level" behind soon, and most of us here on this forum will be alive to see the uh, complaints of stiffness and odors. Planet'll be like a poorly ventilated office building. It'll own.
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Dec 13, 2017 05:44
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https://twitter.com/SchoofsFeed/status/940934481682280448
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Dec 13, 2017 14:30
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what's illustrative about this thread is that everyone in cspam usually nominally pretends to be a socialist or whatever, but in reality are fukuyama style neoliberal true believers. Everyone thinks the future is going to be some sort of ersatz mix of the end of history and atlas shrugged. Like take this for example A Spherical Sponge posted:Well once atmospheric CO2 concentrations begin to break 1000 ppm or higher by the end of the century the rich will probably have power over the air people breathe anyway, with places of high end employment and education and health care having access to CO2 filters/pumps so their cognitive functions aren't significantly negatively impacted. People will need to pay to have access to sufficiently clean air so they can think. This will probably make suppressing effective dissent a lot easier. Not that that would be hard even if we had clean air, given that we'll probably have autonomous cop drones by then and everyone will live in surveillance cubes with an atmosphere at CO2 >1000 ppm you'd have barely any humans left alive, let alone a society complex enough to afford exorbitant luxuries like property rights. the rich aren't randian supermen, they're stupid morons like the rest of us, if anything they're even stupider than average, because they're ostensibly the ones driving this trainwreck. their idiotic devotion to the capitalist project only accelerates us towards the day they end up hanging from lampposts as billions starve. Digiwizzard fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Dec 13, 2017 15:59
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Alpha Mayo posted:i love the fantasy everyone has or had them stolen when the latest exchange went down
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Dec 13, 2017 16:12
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The currency exchange on my way to the nutritionist last night literally had a sign saying “We Sell Bitcoin”. Bubble’s gonna pop so hard.
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Dec 13, 2017 16:35
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so are people dumber now because of CO2 or are we posturing for an oxygen-starved future
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Dec 13, 2017 16:42
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Weeping Wound posted:so are people dumber now because of CO2 or are we posturing for an oxygen-starved future It's this https://twitter.com/papapishu/status/746803108949409793 And also the fact that the news mostly focuses on climate change. I'm surprised we don't hear more about the air getting less breathable, as it defeats some of the counterarguments you usually get, like "warmer winters good!" and "they don't *really* know if CO2 causes warming". CO2 in the atmosphere is directly measurable, and the effect of CO2 on people is well known and accepted. e: Clarified a little. RIP Syndrome fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Dec 13, 2017 16:54
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e: nevermind, misread something.
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Dec 13, 2017 16:58
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Digiwizzard posted:what's illustrative about this thread is that everyone in cspam usually nominally pretends to be a socialist or whatever, but in reality are fukuyama style neoliberal true believers. Everyone thinks the future is going to be some sort of ersatz mix of the end of history and atlas shrugged. "Killing billions of people to make a few rich idiots even richer" is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. [insert Spaceballs reference here]
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Dec 13, 2017 17:47
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yeah people suffocating from co2 isn't the real problem, worst comes to worst everyone lives in some judge-dredd style megacities where everything is domed over and has c02 scrubbers, while the rest of the planet is just this desert wasteland still easier than living on mars though, but only technically
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Dec 13, 2017 18:18
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A Spherical Sponge posted:Not that that would be hard even if we had clean air, given that we'll probably have autonomous cop drones by then and everyone will live in surveillance cubes do you think I should buy my surveillance cube now? I don’t want to get locked out by rising prices
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Dec 13, 2017 18:52
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Digiwizzard posted:what's illustrative about this thread is that everyone in cspam usually nominally pretends to be a socialist or whatever, but in reality are fukuyama style neoliberal true believers. Everyone thinks the future is going to be some sort of ersatz mix of the end of history and atlas shrugged. Hey man don't call me a neoliberal, that's uncalled for. How is what I laid out in any way similar to an end of history Galt's Gulch sort of situation? The rich wouldn't be self sufficient, they'd rely on an exploited underclass, and it would probably be an incredibly stagnant society. I was also being sort of facetious? Like I doubt civilization will survive the catastrophic climate change effects that would go along with CO2>1000 ppm; however if it drew itself out into a long decline it would probably involve autonomous police bots and hyper-climate controlled pleasure domes for the rich on the way down, just because the rich are assholes like that. I don't know why you don't think the decline of civilisation couldn't temporarily support a tiered society with a slave like underclass and idiot hedonist rich people? I mean that's just an exaggeration of the already existing order of things. IDK how considering that possibility makes me not a socialist? Agronox posted:do you think I should buy my surveillance cube now? I don’t want to get locked out by rising prices dw about it, if you can only afford a vanilla habitation pod initially you can upgrade to a surveillance cube via a long term payment program this is mandatory ofc, they need to monitor you so they can calculate the risk of you engaging in anti-patriot activities, otherwise you won't be able to afford your citizenship insurance premiums A Spherical Sponge fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Dec 13, 2017 19:02
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Digiwizzard posted:what's illustrative about this thread is that everyone in cspam usually nominally pretends to be a socialist or whatever, but in reality are fukuyama style neoliberal true believers. Everyone thinks the future is going to be some sort of ersatz mix of the end of history and atlas shrugged. Assuming they do end up hanging from lampposts which is an open question. Seem to be kicking our collective rear end at the moment!
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Dec 13, 2017 19:19
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neoliberal please
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Dec 13, 2017 20:38
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how many bitcoins do I need to pay to no longer feel guilty for my 50 GPU mining rig killing the environment
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Dec 13, 2017 20:40
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logikv9 posted:how many bitcoins do I need to pay to no longer feel guilty for my 50 GPU mining rig killing the environment did you pay your carbon tax??
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Dec 13, 2017 20:51
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Karl Barks posted:did you pay your carbon tax?? taxation is theft
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Dec 13, 2017 20:52
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silentsnack posted:Uh, sorry to engineersplain at you but it is not extremely difficult or costly to separate CO2 from air. It does take energy and equipment and operating costs would be on the level of a minor luxury for first-world citizens, and 'not dying' is a highly inelastic demand, so the Free Market Optimum Solution is for some enterprising sociopaths to make the atmosphere as toxic as possible in order to charge extortionate rental rates on gas compression/liquefaction/storage systems. Once we perfect atmosphere optimization solutions on earth, mars colonization will be a snap. And we won't have "the air isn't breathable" as an excuse to puss out on adventure.
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Dec 13, 2017 21:00
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LegoPirateNinja posted:Once we perfect atmosphere optimization solutions on earth, mars colonization will be a snap. And we won't have "the air isn't breathable" as an excuse to puss out on adventure. the soil of mars is lye, dude
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Dec 13, 2017 21:42
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silentsnack posted:Uh, sorry to engineersplain at you but it is not extremely difficult or costly to separate CO2 from air. It does take energy and equipment and operating costs would be on the level of a minor luxury for first-world citizens, and 'not dying' is a highly inelastic demand, so the Free Market Optimum Solution is for some enterprising sociopaths to make the atmosphere as toxic as possible in order to charge extortionate rental rates on gas compression/liquefaction/storage systems. No, that's incorrect. It is in fact very expensive to purge CO2 from the air. It requires an order of magnitude more energy to capture that CO2 then the energy that was required to release it in the first place That's how entropy works. The logic here is that this actual real cost in energy and resources is irrelevant because the rich have loads of cash so they'll have no issue paying for it. The problem is this: money isn't an inmutable characteristic of reality. It's an accounting system we invented. It's a promise. A claim on resources and energy. The problem we're facing now is that the resources and energy that we take from the environment is being depleted at an exponentially accelerating pace, while at the same time the money supply is growing exponentially. Something's gotta give. It would be physically impossible for all of those claims to be honoured in the future with the same purchasing power they have now. In a world at >1000ppm the climate would be so irreparably damaged that agriculture itself will fail. Nobody will be honouring any promises at that point. A Spherical Sponge posted:Hey man don't call me a neoliberal, that's uncalled for. How is what I laid out in any way similar to an end of history Galt's Gulch sort of situation? The rich wouldn't be self sufficient, they'd rely on an exploited underclass, and it would probably be an incredibly stagnant society. I was also being sort of facetious? Like I doubt civilization will survive the catastrophic climate change effects that would go along with CO2>1000 ppm; however if it drew itself out into a long decline it would probably involve autonomous police bots and hyper-climate controlled pleasure domes for the rich on the way down, just because the rich are assholes like that. I don't know why you don't think the decline of civilisation couldn't temporarily support a tiered society with a slave like underclass and idiot hedonist rich people? I mean that's just an exaggeration of the already existing order of things. IDK how considering that possibility makes me not a socialist? Don't take it personally, it's not something specific to you. The point is more about the failure in imagination, everyone here might claim to be different but fundamentally they ideologically believe the same things all the neoliberals do: that Capitalism is invincible and eternal, that the rich are immensely powerful and capable, and that the existing system will simply continue to lurch on forever, unstoppable. The only difference is a doctrinal one. The Libertarians think Galts Gulch is very good and Utopian. The Liberals think Galts Gulch is very bad and dystopian. Everyone agrees that Galts Gulch is definitely real though, and will happen any day now. The joke of course is that Galts Gulch is never going to happen, the energy sources and resource inputs required to sustain it don't exist. The rich aren't capable and intelligent people, they're huge gently caress ups who have no clue what they're doing. If you put a 1000 of these "enterprising sociopaths" into a fallout shelter you could probably measure the time before cannibalism emerged in hours. All of this is because people are unable to look beyond the hypernormalized edifice of neoliberalism, and won't question the millions of tiny assumptions that make the Galts Gulch scenario plausible. Assumptions like the Post Bretton Woods system continuing forever, or the world always having a high demand for US dollars for some reason, or for globalized free trade to continue despite skyrocketing energy costs, enormously destabilizing civil unrest and an endless cascade of natural disasters.
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Dec 14, 2017 01:30
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Digiwizzard posted:No, that's incorrect. It is in fact very expensive to purge CO2 from the air. It requires an order of magnitude more energy to capture that CO2 then the energy that was required to release it in the first place That's how entropy works. The logic here is that this actual real cost in energy and resources is irrelevant because the rich have loads of cash so they'll have no issue paying for it. You're confusing air CO2 filtration (which is obscenely cheap) with carbon sequestration (which is extremely expensive)
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Dec 14, 2017 02:34
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This "suffocating on CO2 in the dystopian future" is a fun fantasy but if you work in a poorly ventilated office building, you're likely to already be in a >1000PPM environment. There was a recent study that showed that a majority of Californian and Texas high school classrooms had CO2 levels > 1000PPM.
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Dec 14, 2017 02:53
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I mean I'm skeptical of these claims in general. Submarines can have CO2 levels of 4000 ppm or more, and that's just about the only place it's oppressive enough that people bother taking countermeasures against it. The levels we actually expect don't seem to do much physiologically.
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If we're assuming that neoliberal capitalism is going to continue to be the status quo for several decades into the future then I'd expect there to be plenty of economic crises and resource wars to be a drain on industrial production which would reduce emissions. Climate change will cause urgent, society-changing problems before CO2 levels can get that high
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