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Synthbuttrange posted:The Taro train never stops. No-one stops. (This is an example of how useful keeping a localization team from game to game is. You can get callbacks to previous changes, allowing you to build on the ideas you'd already established within a series to convey its themes to the viewer. Also, there is an update last page.)
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"Programmed to feel constant feelings of guilt" was a kinda dumb capstone to this touching story. Felt a little silly. Enjoyed the pure distilled Yoko Taro before that though.
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.jpg) Does that mean PopoDevola were the ones from NieR and had been wiped to not know it?
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No these are different unrelated ones. What else could they do though, like they cant make humanity go extinct... twice.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:40
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quote:With the original Gestalt lost, humanity was doomed to an inevitable extinction. So humanity IS hiding up on the moon, in a way.
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Bruceski posted:
I mean, it's theoretically possible, I guess, but probably not.
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Bruceski posted:
That’s how I read it too, but who knows.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:59
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There's literally no way they're the same. Popola vaporized herself, Devola's body, and (most of) Emil's original body when she lost her poo poo over Devola's death.
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I don't remember all the details of Nier's plot, but there's something bugging me about this, admittedly limited, recap: why, if Nier was the original Gestalt, was he fighting Shades at the beginning of the game?
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"Original" doesn't mean the first one. It's a mistranslation, I think. For whatever reason, Papa Nier is  and therefore remains self-aware even after becoming a Gestalt, and therefore he... uh, secretes?... special Maso that keeps other Gestalts sane. See id's LP for example https://lparchive.org/NIER/Update%20133/
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Dec 12, 2017 22:13
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" I hurry to staggers and falls in the soft yet unforgiving sand."
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Weren't those the White Chlorination shades, not the Gestalt shades? Anyway no way Automata's Popola and Devola are the same ones as in Replicant/Gestalt. Those two were killed by Replicant Jimbo and thoroughly vaporized.
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Dec 12, 2017 22:21
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The shades in Nier's prologue, as I understood it, were failed attempts. Nier was the Origional Gestalt because he was the first one to successfully turn into a Gestalt without going crazy or something like that.
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XavierGenisi posted:The shades in Nier's prologue, as I understood it, were failed attempts. Nier was the Origional Gestalt because he was the first one to successfully turn into a Gestalt without going crazy or something like that. It's this. They had been trying to find a suitable Shadowlord to keep the shades sane for a while and had been handing out the grimoires to try and get someone who would work. OG nier is the first they could find and they had an easy way to compel him with Yonah, (who I believe was succumbing to WCS originally)
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Omobono posted:Weren't those the White Chlorination shades, not the Gestalt shades? I just realized I read that pod update as happening before the story so it would be false memories in the viewpoint PopoDevola. Paired with their "it was other models that did it" that led to the conclusion. If you read the memory wipe as happening after the journal then it serves as a resolution rather than another Taro Twist.
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oath2order posted:It's this. They had been trying to find a suitable Shadowlord to keep the shades sane for a while and had been handing out the grimoires to try and get someone who would work. OG nier is the first they could find and they had an easy way to compel him with Yonah, (who I believe was succumbing to WCS originally) Yonah had terminal CCD, Compulsive Cookie Desire.
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Dec 12, 2017 22:40
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yeah this moment got me stupid text being so effective
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Incidentally, I already said it but it bears repeating. gently caress YoRHa/Android High Command (the actual one, not the fake Council of Humanity one). Bunch of evil assholes. Which makes them amazingly human 
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Worst changelog ever. "Due to reports of our product spontaneously erupting into fiery wrecks that killed your family, we have issued a patch that ensures all remaining updated versions to feel really bad about what happened."
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Gnome de plume posted:Worst changelog ever. Shouldn't have put Aperture Science in charge of android production
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Dec 12, 2017 23:42
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All these drat onions around while I’m trying to read the lp.
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Holy gently caress, I never picked the option that gave the "No one stops" callback. That's insane.
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Popola and Devola: We'll explain everything! "What? Allow a main character to make an informed decision? I THINK NOT."  Wow, if there ever was a flag in Drakenier, that's it.
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Andyzero posted:Wow, if there ever was a flag in Drakenier, that's it. Isn't existing enough of a flag in DrakeNier already?
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My understanding of Gestalt Nier was that he was basically Murphy from Robocop and all the shades at the beginning were the failed attempts from Robocop 2 that went insane because they had no duty they to fixate on. Original Nier had a pipe and a daughter to save and that was apparently enough to hold himself together as a Gestalt.
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shame they made him a load bearing boss
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Scapegoating is one of the most rear end in a top hat things humanity as a whole engages in. "You have absolutely nothing to do with the thing I hate, but I'm too much of a putz to deal with that poo poo without blaming someone else so gently caress YOU anyway. What the gently caress is wrong with you, you piece of poo poo!?"
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https://twitter.com/BabyGotBell/status/940555341074522113
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Being programmed to feel constant, crushing guilt for something you don’t remember is probably the most dour fate in the game.
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Attitude Indicator posted:Being programmed to feel constant, crushing guilt for something you don’t remember is probably the most dour fate in the game. The androids probably have Omelas built on top of Salem, Oregon somewhere. https://www.utilitarianism.com/nu/omelas.pdf @SupremeZero: But Yoko Taro is right. Nier: Automata does suck; as a gaming experience, it's incomplete and often shoddy, and it doesn't deserve the GOTY. It's a great improvement from the days of Drakengard, where it was 100% Yoko Taro's pedophile incest adventures, N:A is much more playable, while retaining much of his unique sensibility, but it's not a masterwork. What's charming about YT (holy poo poo, it's a Neal Stephenson reference) is that he's not afraid to admit it, while not making trite pronouncements about how his next game will be better or thanking his fans.
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Attitude Indicator posted:Being programmed to feel constant, crushing guilt for something you don’t remember is probably the most dour fate in the game. It seems ridiculously over the top. Kind of ruins the mood of the piece to have that as a capstone. Change it so it says "Somehow, all Devola and Popola models became afflicted with constant feelings of guilt, no solution has been found" and it's a bit less evil scientist-y.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:It seems ridiculously over the top. Kind of ruins the mood of the piece to have that as a capstone. That's the thing, though. The Devola and Popola models, besides the Project Gestalt operators, did nothing wrong. The joke is that the other DP models were basically scapegoats (making the Omelas reference more relevant) who ended up suffering because android society needed someone to blame for the death of humanity. So when you're looking at the Devola and Popola blowing themselves up in N:A, you're looking at completely innocent people who've been forced to suffer guilt pangs for something completely unrelated to them--it's almost literally Jews in medieval Europe getting pogromed once in a while because Christ, a Jew, was executed by the Romans at the behest of Jewish elites, when Christ himself wanted to die and it was closer to assisted suicide.. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Charles_Kinbote posted:
No, it isn't, you loving moron. They're robots who got guilt chips
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GeneX posted:No, it isn't, you loving moron. Go play on the road, but the parallels to the condition of European Jewry are definitely there. "Killed" "God"? Check. Uninvolved persons scapegoated? Check. Doomed to wander as in the European myth of the Wandering Jew? Check. An attempt at genocide? Check. You'd suspect Yoko Taro did his research and drew inspiration from the historical models, but it's fun thinking of Devola and Popola as Jewish a la Scarlett Johansson. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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You're being weird again. Stop being weird.
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Charles_Kinbote posted:Go play on the road, but the parallels to the condition of European Jewry are definitely there. "Killed" "God"? Check. Uninvolved persons scapegoated? Check. Doomed to wander as in the European myth of the Wandering Jew? Check. An attempt at genocide? Check. You'd suspect Yoko Taro did his research and drew inspiration from the historical models, but it's fun thinking of Devola and Popola as Jewish a la Scarlett Johansson. haha what the gently caress
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It seems doubly weird that all the other androids would hate Popodev for "killing off humanity", when none of the other Androids are supposed to know that humanity is gone. If humans are supposed to be doing fine, hanging out on the moon, what is there to be so drat pissed at the twins for?
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Schwartzcough posted:It seems doubly weird that all the other androids would hate Popodev for "killing off humanity", when none of the other Androids are supposed to know that humanity is gone. If humans are supposed to be doing fine, hanging out on the moon, what is there to be so drat pissed at the twins for? "THEY KILLED MANKIND" is catchier than "THEY FORCED MANKIND TO EVACUATE PLANET EARTH AND RELOCATE TO THE SURFACE OF THE MOON"
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Schwartzcough posted:It seems doubly weird that all the other androids would hate Popodev for "killing off humanity", when none of the other Androids are supposed to know that humanity is gone. If humans are supposed to be doing fine, hanging out on the moon, what is there to be so drat pissed at the twins for? They don't actually know the details. They just know the old version of the twins committed a horrible crime that put humanity's future in jeopardy.
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