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Duckbox posted:Saqr is going to lead the first gamer uprising in the Middle East. The Overwatch Coup will bring democracy to Arabia while also making it legal to marry big titty animes. i'm willing to be the american weirdo who flies out and randomly joins up with them
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i'm willing to be the american weirdo who flies out and randomly joins up with them lol so you're going to be the Sidney Rittenberg of the Arabian Gamers party only without all the horrible years in prison (hopefully), rest assured I will see to it your cell has lots of videogames, online access (games only) and body pillows, in case a cultural revolution happens and you get mixed up in 'Group of 516 Cheaters'
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Fahad al-Saud has never been more prepared for anything in his life. Looking to see if that na3m game thing still existed, I found that: https://www.disruptorawards.com/2015-honoree-blog/2017/1/19/hh-prince-fahad-al-saud-na3m-games His instagram account is yolofahad.
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Cat Mattress posted:Looking to see if that na3m game thing still existed, I found that: https://www.disruptorawards.com/2015-honoree-blog/2017/1/19/hh-prince-fahad-al-saud-na3m-games I guess I maybe shouldn't have contributed to doxxing Al-Saqr
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More on the Sauds deliberately targeting food sources, farms, fishermen in Yemen. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/12/bombed-into-famine-how-saudi-air-campaign-targets-yemens-food-supplies
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/rouhani-ready-restore-ties-saudi-arabia-171210084010955.htmlquote:In a speech broadcast Sunday, President Hassan Rouhani said that Iran is ready to restore ties with Saudi Arabia if it stops bombing Yemen and cuts its alleged ties with Israel.
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Interesting. Sprinkling some Iranian nationalism in there along with islamism. Does he normally do that? Predictably taking the propaganda advantage from KSA moving closer with Israel. Its probably a good thing for war prevention for the two countries to at least have diplomatic relations. At this rate that doesn't look all too likely though.
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If it didn't have real consequences beyond catty statements, Trump providing Iran with an opening to Palestine-shame the Saudis would be pretty funny.
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Count Roland posted:Interesting. The Iranian regime has always vacillated between Iranian Nationalism and Islamism for their propaganda, and from day one never let go of the palestinian cause as a propaganda tool, in fact Yasser Arafat recognized the opportunity the Iranian revolution presented to the palestinians and immediately went to try and establish good relations with Khomeini, literally a few days after the shah left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65xpvmCsm-c However the arab regimes ( Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Etc.) Browbeat him into disavowing the Iranian Regime, Which I think was gigantic strategic mistake because history has shown that the arab regimes were bumbling fascists who didnt give two shits about any human beings let alone the Palestinians, and it turns out the Iranian regime are still a bunch of murderers and religious psychos but they're much more competent and they stick by their allies and dont back-stab them the way Arab countries do since unlike the arab countries they actually have a vision for what they want. If the PLO had stuck with Iran maybe they wouldve been in a much better financial and military position than what ended up happening to them. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Weren't the Gulf States the ones who set up Hamas as a counter to the then-socialist PLO?
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The X-man cometh posted:Weren't the Gulf States the ones who set up Hamas as a counter to the then-socialist PLO? Nope. It was Israel that did that, lmfao
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Really loving this ongoing slapfight between Bibi and Erdogan.  https://twitter.com/AFP/status/9408...genumber%3D1483 He's not wrong, etc. e: oh hey he elaborated a bit http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42335751?ocid=socialflow_twitter Sultan Erdogan posted:Addressing a summit of the Organisation for Islamic Co-operation, he said the US decision to recognise the city as Israel's capital was "null and void". Still not wrong. Godlessdonut fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Those are all accurate statements
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FlamingLiberal posted:Those are all accurate statements
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Erdogan has reason to be upset, but he's (at best) flirting with blood libel here. https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/940950197651243008
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Sinteres posted:Erdogan has reason to be upset, but he's (at best) flirting with blood libel here.  he cozying up to the Houthis or something?
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Sinteres posted:Erdogan has reason to be upset, but he's (at best) flirting with blood libel here. What do you mean blood libel? Israel kills tons of people all the time, I don't see what's wrong with what he's saying. Also, to be honest Erdogan can scream and cry all he wants but he's not man enough to do something substantial like cease all military purchases or political ties with Israel.
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Al-Saqr posted:What do you mean blood libel? Israel kills tons of people all the time, I don't see what's wrong with what he's saying. Talking about Jews specifically feeding on blood is an old anti-Semitic trope. There are many valid criticisms of Israel, but at best he's unintentionally mirroring bigoted language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
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Sinteres posted:Erdogan has reason to be upset, but he's (at best) flirting with blood libel here. "I heard that they use the blood of
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America's inept foreign policy managed to create a Turkey-Iran axis and an Israel-KSA axis. And Saudi Arabia's inept bullying has pushed Qatar in the arms of Iran. Congrats. Quick map.  Red and blue: the two blocks. Purple: disputed areas of influence. Iran seems to be winning those. Green: countries that are trying not to attract too much attention so that they don't get involved in the mess, but if they have to choose, they'll probably side with Saudi Arabia. What do you think?
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Cat Mattress posted:What do you think?
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At this time I don't think Turkey and Iran feel at all threatened by each other, but I wouldn't go so far as to actually call them an alliance in any sense of the word
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Cat Mattress posted:America's inept foreign policy managed to create a Turkey-Iran axis and an Israel-KSA axis. And Saudi Arabia's inept bullying has pushed Qatar in the arms of Iran. I like maps! I'm glad that you made this. Turkey should be independent. Aside from Erdogan being all over the place, Turkey and Iran are natural rivals and have no track record of cooperation. Syria should be red. Yes it is still disputed, but too a much lesser degree. Lebanon is disputed as well, but it being red still mostly makes sense. I'm tempted to split Iraq into 3 parts and color them separately. Can we really call Qatar part of Iran's bloc? That was largely Saudi propaganda that got made true by the attempted blockade. But I don't think they're very tight? Did you color this manually or use some service for it?
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Sinteres posted:Talking about Jews specifically feeding on blood is an old anti-Semitic trope. There are many valid criticisms of Israel, but at best he's unintentionally mirroring bigoted language. I'm familiar with that antisemitic trope but honestly I'm going to be generous to Erdogan on this one, I have no doubt that he's a kook but the use of the term ' blood' and "feeding on the the blood" and "spilling blood" and "swimming in blood" are very common terms to use in Arabic and in speeches when describing mass murderers and killers in general. The same type of terminology might exist in the Turkish language, the same type of phrasing I'm seeing here was applied to Bashar al assad as well. So my theory is that whoever translated this translated literally, and since his target is Israel then the assosiciation between 'blood' and 'jews' (even though the speech mentioned Israel, not the Jews), so I can see where you could've made that jump, but in my experience having phrases with the word 'blood' in them is very common speech vernacular when describing killers and murderers.
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Count Roland posted:Did you color this manually or use some service for it? I used mapchart. It's a simple online tool to quickly get a colored map. Amusingly, the "simple" world map is more detailed for this area than the "detailed" one. There's no real alliance between Turkey and Iran, but recently they've been on the same side wrt. Qatar, wrt. Syria, and wrt. Jerusalem. And both stand to benefit from the Saudi losing legitimacy in the Muslim world, so I can see them remaining in agreement on other diplomatic questions. If an actual war broke out between KSA and Iran, they probably wouldn't side with Iran there, but as long as the situation doesn't devolve to that point, I think they can be seen as part of the same block.
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Sinteres posted:Talking about Jews specifically feeding on blood is an old anti-Semitic trope. There are many valid criticisms of Israel, but at best he's unintentionally mirroring bigoted language.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Al-Saqr posted:I'm familiar with that antisemitic trope but honestly I'm going to be generous to Erdogan on this one, I have no doubt that he's a kook but the use of the term ' blood' and "feeding on the the blood" and "spilling blood" and "swimming in blood" are very common terms to use in Arabic and in speeches when describing mass murderers and killers in general. The same type of terminology might exist in the Turkish language, the same type of phrasing I'm seeing here was applied to Bashar al assad as well. I'm a bit less inclined to be generous to Erdogan since he's had a habit of talking about shadowy bankers and "spawn of Israel" in a domestic Turkish context too, but I'll admit to the possibility that there are local tropes (which may or may not be influenced by anti-Semitism themselves) which made him more likely to unintentionally back into this kind of statement. I just wish people would be a bit more more careful about this sort of thing because it makes it helps to discredit valid criticisms (not what I was trying to do) when critics of Israel do veer into that territory. Much like Trump though, Erdogan doesn't seem to care as much about putting his best foot forward as he does about belligerent shouting, which was also in evidence when he kept calling European leaders Nazis.
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Count Roland posted:I like maps! I'm glad that you made this. I wonder if the program has hatch marks, but I would say Iraq is more firmly in the Iranian sphere at this point as well. Oman I would almost say is probably just simply neutral at this point. That said everything is in flux at any moment.
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Cat Mattress posted:America's inept foreign policy managed to create a Turkey-Iran axis and an Israel-KSA axis. And Saudi Arabia's inept bullying has pushed Qatar in the arms of Iran. Bahrain needed Saudi help to brutally suppress protests in 2011, I think they're fully in bed with the Saudis.
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Ardennes posted:I wonder if the program has hatch marks, but I would say Iraq is more firmly in the Iranian sphere at this point as well. Oman I would almost say is probably just simply neutral at this point. That said everything is in flux at any moment. The X-man cometh posted:Bahrain needed Saudi help to brutally suppress protests in 2011, I think they're fully in bed with the Saudis. Yeah I agree with both of these. I checked the site, it didn't look like colours could be combined. My autistic desires will go unfulfilled.
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Don't forget kurdish regions with their autonomy and divisions, guys!
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https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/aung-san-suu-kyi-has-dublin-honour-revoked-1.684277 Jihadist backers apparently includue well known F-15 buyers and even members of NATO. quote:US national security adviser HR McMaster condemned Qatar and Turkey for taking on a “new role” as the main sponsors and sources of funding for extremist Islamist ideology that targets western interests.
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Am I the only one that thinks that is nuts in terms of geopolitical strategy? I mean calling one of your allies, which you have shared tons of expensive technology with, essentially a threat is well...a bit foolhardy.
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Ardennes posted:Am I the only one that thinks that is nuts in terms of geopolitical strategy?
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Today's the anniversary of one of the few true Iraqi heroes https://twitter.com/haymarketbooks/status/941170887902064640 Immediately after doing this he was thoroughly tortured with electrical cables by Maliki, but he found an opening to escape captivity and fled Iraq to recover.
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Ardennes posted:Am I the only one that thinks that is nuts in terms of geopolitical strategy? I mean calling one of your allies, which you have shared tons of expensive technology with, essentially a threat is well...a bit foolhardy. I wouldn't have voluntarily said the things he said in public as a government official, but I think it's increasingly clear that Turkey isn't really an ally anymore, whatever a treaty may say. The US shares some of that responsibility of course, but Erdogan hasn't been shy about attacking the US in public statements, and there really was some degree of complicity and probably even assistance between Turkey and ISIS at one point. I think it's easier for people to accept that Erdogan isn't an ally (as others could reasonably say Trump isn't an ally of a number of countries) while the Turkish state still is, but at this point Erdogan pretty much is the Turkish state, and trying to maintain the polite fiction that everything is fine despite that tension is going to be increasingly untenable even if we want to do that. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Sinteres posted:I wouldn't have voluntarily said the things he said in public as a government official, but I think it's increasingly clear that Turkey isn't really an ally anymore, whatever a treaty may say. The US shares some of that responsibility of course, but Erdogan hasn't been shy about attacking the US in public statements, and there really was some degree of complicity and probably even assistance between Turkey and ISIS at one point. The issue is while the rifts are clear, it really doesn't make sense to point to them and antagonize Turkey and Erdogan further, especially with charges that could far easily be applied to the Saudis. The US and NATO actually need (or needed I guess) Turkey on our side, especially if Russia is doing whatever it can to replace us. Not since 1453 has Moscow found a friendly power on the Bosphorus. Of course, there is also the issue of making an enemy that is still fully part of the West's central alliance structure including intelligence and technological sharing. Even if we wanted to kick Turkey out, there isn't a legal mechanism to do so and in all honesty, I don't know if the Europeans would back us. Also, trying to separate Erdogan and Turkey also at this point just makes adds credence to theories that we were behind the coup. Also, honestly, Erdogan's control over the Turkish political system isn't showing any signs of slipping. Also, Qatar was also thrown under the bus because I guess we need to back MbS and his plans, no matter how stupid they are.
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Cat Mattress posted:America's inept foreign policy managed to create a Turkey-Iran axis and an Israel-KSA axis. And Saudi Arabia's inept bullying has pushed Qatar in the arms of Iran. I don't think I would put Egypt in the Saudi block on this. The Egyptian Generals have been very friendly towards Iran in the recent past, to the extent of verbally (and possibly materially) supporting the Assad regime.
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The Turkey-Iran pact doesn't seem very stable to me. Sure, they are both opposed to Trump's agenda (who isn't) but to me it's more a 3 way fight between Turkey, Iran and KSA for regional supremacy.
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Cat Mattress posted:America's inept foreign policy managed to create a Turkey-Iran axis and an Israel-KSA axis. And Saudi Arabia's inept bullying has pushed Qatar in the arms of Iran. Jordan should be blue, they are a stooge country like bahrain which also should be blue.
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