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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
This poll is closed.
Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



forkboy84 posted:

See, that's not believable, nobody likes the Accies.

A trustworthy saying.

Jedit posted:

It never was. Partly because you don't support their team, but mainly because nobody supports Partick Thistle so they know you're lying.

My boss is a genuine Thistle fan. Team morale is not high.

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Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



One of the great things about Ross County making it to the premier is that I've mostly stopped being asked who my "big team" are. Though answering Stirling Albion to that always seemed to cause delightful frustration in those asking. In any case, it seems suitably left field enough to be able to slag both ugly sisters with relative impunity.

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



An outbreak of socialism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-42339146

quote:

Scotland's finance secretary is expected to confirm income tax rises for middle and higher earners when he unveils his draft budget for next year.
Derek Mackay will say the increase in taxation is needed to raise more money to help protect public services.

Leggsy
Apr 30, 2008

We'll take our chances...
The nitty-gritty.

https://twitter.com/BBCDouglasF/status/941314957945253888
So it's a slight tax cut for the lowest incomes and a slight rise for those on medium and high incomes.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Leggsy posted:

The nitty-gritty.

https://twitter.com/BBCDouglasF/status/941314957945253888
So it's a slight tax cut for the lowest incomes and a slight rise for those on medium and high incomes.

Doesn't look too bad, nothing earth shattering in there. Be interested to see what they intend to spend the money on.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Well, it's something I guess. Would have been fine with the lower rates staying the same but gently caress, this almost counts as radical by SNP standards, low as they are.

Shame they continue to fail to do owt about council tax being a regressive piece of shite though.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Aramoro posted:

Doesn't look too bad, nothing earth shattering in there. Be interested to see what they intend to spend the money on.

£40 per person?

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Leggsy posted:

The nitty-gritty.

https://twitter.com/BBCDouglasF/status/941314957945253888
So it's a slight tax cut for the lowest incomes and a slight rise for those on medium and high incomes.

This is great news, and very glad to see the SNP (or any ScotGov) using finance powers in progressive ways. Small changes, sure, but the right direction and diverging from Westminster sets up some potentially interesting contrasts further down the road. Sadly in terms of progressive governance it's still somewhat undermined by the continued and relentless starving of local government, which always seems to be ignored or only glancingly mentioned in coverage:

quote:

The budget announcement included:

• £94m extra for Scotland’s 32 local councils, which protects their budgets in cash terms but means a fall in real terms.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Leggsy posted:

The nitty-gritty.

https://twitter.com/BBCDouglasF/status/941314957945253888
So it's a slight tax cut for the lowest incomes and a slight rise for those on medium and high incomes.

Is the intermediate rate new or going from 20 to 21p?

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



There's two new bands in scotland

Uk rates
0%
20%
40%
45%

Scottish rates
0%
19%
20%
21%
41%
46%

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Wherein Merryn Somerset Webb asks us to consider the plight of the needy at Christmas.

"Say you are dual-earning family both on about £150,000 with a few kids. Nicola Sturgeon just stole your skiing holiday"

https://archive.is/RYYyd

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Coohoolin posted:

Wherein Merryn Somerset Webb asks us to consider the plight of the needy at Christmas.

"Say you are dual-earning family both on about £150,000 with a few kids. Nicola Sturgeon just stole your skiing holiday"

https://archive.is/RYYyd

Wonder where you got this archive.is link from...

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



Coohoolin posted:

"Say you are dual-earning family both on about £150,000 with a few kids. Nicola Sturgeon just stole your skiing holiday"

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Coohoolin posted:

Wherein Merryn Somerset Webb asks us to consider the plight of the needy at Christmas.

"Say you are dual-earning family both on about £150,000 with a few kids. Nicola Sturgeon just stole your skiing holiday"

https://archive.is/RYYyd

So take your skiing holidays in Aviemore you middle class parasites.

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



forkboy84 posted:

So take your skiing holidays in Aviemore you middle class parasites.

I think £300,000 / year household earnings is doing a bit better than middle class

I checked, and based on 2015 figures for the UK

£112,000 puts you in the 98th percentile of wages
£162,000 puts you in the 99th percentile

jre fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Dec 19, 2017

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
Pretty sure I know who people earning £150,000 who would cry about losing another £1k in taxes were voting for already.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Pretty sure I know who people earning £150,000 who would cry about losing another £1k in taxes were voting for already.

Yeah, the SNP already lost any 1%er votes they had when they failed to secure independence and Salmond's planned corporation tax breaks vanished. A tax adjustment isn't going to hurt them now.

Somerset Webb is wrong on one point, however: it'll only steal their second skiing holiday.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
You can get a cheap skiing holiday in Bosnia jfyi.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
It’s a slippery slope argument.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

if when we get bored at the family xmas dinner at least my lower marginal tax rate will give us something to talk about.

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014

I'm going to have to pay about thirty quid more a year. That's like one fewer pint a month!

Leggsy
Apr 30, 2008

We'll take our chances...
The Scottish Sargon, Stu Campbell has outdone himself with this blatant transphobic hit piece.

Guess his declining readership must be getting to him. Stick around for the horrid push-polling "evidence" if you can stomach his smug dross.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

HappyCamperGL posted:

I'm going to have to pay about thirty quid more a year. That's like one fewer pint a month!

£2.50 a pint?!

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



Leggsy posted:

The Scottish Sargon, Stu Campbell has outdone himself with this blatant transphobic hit piece.

Guess his declining readership must be getting to him. Stick around for the horrid push-polling "evidence" if you can stomach his smug dross.

Starting reading the comments, don't read the comments :smith:

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

jre posted:

Starting reading the comments, don't read the comments :smith:

Good advice for everywhere on the internet, but when it's Wanks Outside Scotland the article can safely be included as part of the comments.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I guess the UK government delaying its gender recognition changes after the daily flood of moral panic from the press means we've got to have ourselves a moral panic on Scotland as well. Maybe a bit more difficult given that the organisations running the supposedly-under-threat women's spaces in Scotland have come out in favour of the change but I'm sure they've just been forced to say this by the all-powerful trans lobby. Luckily the SNP has never ever announced a good policy and then walked it back on the fear it might change something for somebody somewhere so all should still be good.

For those wanting to feel like they're doing something to counteract whatever Stu thinks he's doing, the consultation is still open until the start of March. There's a nice website here explaining succinctly what the issues are, but for some reason they don't mention the 100% inevitable result of the legislation where all women's toilets everywhere are abolished so they're probably hiding something I guess.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Such honest arguing, going to the weird 13 year olds on tumblr to conflate trans rights with deliberately hyperbolic and cherry picked negative representations of social issues.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
Did you know that some trans women have been caught using rude language to refer to their genitals on the internet? Truly these are the end times.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Coohoolin posted:

Such honest arguing, going to the weird 13 year olds on tumblr to conflate trans rights with deliberately hyperbolic and cherry picked negative representations of social issues.

Wake up: this is what he’s always done about every issue.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Tumblr is shite.

But so is Stu.

That's my hot take on the issue.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Extreme0 posted:

Tumblr is shite.

But so is Stu.

That's my hot take on the issue.

Tumblr is largely harmless while Stu has still got a large following among Nats, which seems immune to his frequent nasty and bigoted outbursts.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


forkboy84 posted:

Tumblr is largely harmless while Stu has still got a large following among Nats, which seems immune to his frequent nasty and bigoted outbursts.

They both make me cringe.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Extreme0 posted:

They both make me cringe.

Tumblr is a place where teens try to work out their identities in a supportive space. They go on a lot of weird detours in that journey but it's a fundamental good for queer kids. Unfortunately transphobic people love to cherry pick the weird things confused pubescents say to hold as an example of all queer kind.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Many Scottish nationalists are very excited at the idea of another referendum this year. It’s going to be fascinating to see it play out if that is the case - I can’t see Westminster going along with it.

Will Sturgeon do a Puigedemont?

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I think mainly you're excited at the prospect of scottish nationalists being excited. You should really seek a different form of entertainment one of these days.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Angepain posted:

I think mainly you're excited at the prospect of scottish nationalists being excited. You should really seek a different form of entertainment one of these days.

Why?

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!



It's not healthy.

Alertrelic
Apr 18, 2008

Pissflaps posted:

Many Scottish nationalists are very excited at the idea of another referendum this year. It’s going to be fascinating to see it play out if that is the case - I can’t see Westminster going along with it.

Will Sturgeon do a Puigedemont?

Seek help, friend.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Alertrelic posted:

Seek help, friend.

It's a Vichy-ous circle?

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


I liked the story on the news tonight about the former Scottish Tory treasurer who got banned from holding a directorship because he tried to hide assets after bankruptcy has been running businesses through proxies. And living lavishly. And the people who should be enforcing it have gently caress all in the way of money to actively check up on if the convicted fraudsters are committing fraud again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42597623

Can't post the article as on a phone but you should read it.

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