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If you can't enjoy this movie then just go watch the original trilogy another thousands times and stop trying to enjoy new Star Wars things. It was great!
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Good Lord how is this movie getting good reviews? It is absolute trash from a script standpoint.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:01
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BardoTheConsumer posted:I am just going to point out (and sorry if this has already been pointed out) that Luke trolled the living he'll out of Kylo Ren, ruined his attempt to end the resistance, and then Kylo was left alone... My God, it’s full of salt. (I love you for pointing this out for me).
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Dec 15, 2017 10:01
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Okay, I’m late to the party, but here’s the thing. There’s great poo poo in this movie. A ton of it. But. BUT. Having Snoke be a joke, with no backstory, nothing, it’s sloppy. Like, really freaking sloppy. What’s the threat next film? I mean, really? You can’t have a solid origin story for a villain now? Also, Luke needed to have his green goddamn lightsaber, and use it for reals. Dammit.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:03
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Chickenwalker posted:Good Lord how is this movie getting good reviews? It is absolute trash from a script standpoint. The same reason every bad Marvel movie gets good reviews?
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Dec 15, 2017 10:06
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I have a lot of complaints about the movie, but I'll give Rian Johnson props for an amazing trick: by setting the fight between Luke and Kylo on the RED DIRT PLANET, when Kylo's light saber went through Luke you got a split second of red dirt getting kicked up that looked like blood, reinforcing the illusion that Luke had been killed. Brilliant.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:06
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I hated everything about this movie, but I specifically want to point out how annoyed I was that BB-8 didn't have a battle with evil BB-8. The movie was already poo poo. Why not have that stupid, fun, movie-ruining scene in a movie that was already unredeemable?
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Dec 15, 2017 10:08
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I'm in the "Where did this force god come from?" camp. Jesus christ give us a little info on snoke.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:09
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Steve Yun posted:I have a lot of complaints about the movie, but I'll give Rian Johnson props for an amazing trick: by setting the fight between Luke and Kylo on the RED DIRT PLANET, when Kylo's light saber went through Luke you got a split second of red dirt getting kicked up that looked like blood, reinforcing the illusion that Luke had been killed. Brilliant. That reminds me: I'm never going to watch this movie again so did Luke make any tracks when he walked on that planet?
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Dec 15, 2017 10:11
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Despera posted:I'm in the "Where did this force god come from?" camp. Jesus christ give us a little info on snoke. It’s just so loving frustrating. He’s as powerful as the Emperor, maybe more so, has cool poo poo, and isn’t a sith, and then, wet fart.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:11
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Chickenwalker posted:Good Lord how is this movie getting good reviews? It is absolute trash from a script standpoint. The sheer number of "build to a specific moment then - HAH! GOTCHA!" and forced comedy became a bit tiring.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:14
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exquisite tea posted:I feel like modern directors have all just forgotten how to make movies. Give us a compelling story! A core group of characters with conflicting, realistic motivations! Do it under two hours and don't waste everybody's time! Kylo Ren is the only interesting new character in this entire trilogy because he has clear motivations and flaws that drive his actions forward in a plausible way. Everybody else is just so goshdarn good that there's nothing believable about them or spend their time coming up with snappy Whedonesque quips as they run circles around the bumbling space fascists. You spend two years building up the return of Luke only to have him sit around on an island the whole time and get merked via force exhaustion, with a twist about as shocking as that time Tassadar faked out Kerrigan in Starcraft 1. This was a weak script even for a Star Wars movie, and the writing was not strong enough to keep a strong grasp on all the characters old and new. TFA was derivative as hell but it at least had a consistent tone and plot structure. It just kind of seemed like this new director wanted to take the series in a different direction but didn't have the vision of Kershner or Kasdan to connect the arcs back to the first. Not good! I hope the Disaster Artist is fun because that's my last hope of seeing a good film in a theatre in 2017. Disaster Artist is good, my friend. LionArcher posted:It’s just so loving frustrating. He’s as powerful as the Emperor, maybe more so, has cool poo poo, and isn’t a sith, and then, wet fart. I'm pretty sure the other CD SW thread had a long discussion about how nothing in the books will ever actually matter, no matter what the story group says. Sorry you had to find out this way, I guess.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:15
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The Human Crouton posted:That reminds me: I'm never going to watch this movie again so did Luke make any tracks when he walked on that planet? I don't recall whether he did He did look younger in his astral projection with shorter hair (first clue) and had his lightsaber which should have been broken in the fight between Rey and Kylo (second clue). The movie is really a mix of good and bad.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:16
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Milky Moor posted:The really goofy bit with Snoke's guards where one of them is charging at Ren and he sticks his saber into the ground (???) and then the Guard swings low at Ren's saber and not his exposed back (????) There are some issues with the fight choreography in that scene, and that's one of them. I'll go so far as to say that in choreographing lightsaber fights, combatants are prone to strike at the saber and not the person holding it. Although Kenobi in Clone Wars was prone to kicking people (Savage Oppress anyway) in the knee. One high point int he fight choreography was Rey turning off her lightsaber, dropping it to her other hand, and then getting the kill.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:16
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Milky Moor posted:Disaster Artist is good, my friend. Look, condescending comment aside, I’m not talking about the books. I haven’t read them. This is all implied or shown on screen. Luke explaining the force to Ray? That was great. A good balance between the OT and the PT. Making the villain compelling, even if you kill him off, makes the death more shocking. As it stood, it felt like another joke moment, which this movie had enough of. My day job is a writer. I build up a bad guy for a book or two, and kill him off like that? My readers would not be happy, and I wouldn’t blame them. It’s sloppy.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:22
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Steve Yun posted:I don't recall whether he did He looked exactly as he did in the flashbacks to when the temple was destroyed. Browner and shorter hair and beard. Him not having his ROTJ sabre there was a weird choice. I guess it was a clue.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:22
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KaptainKrunk posted:The sheer number of "build to a specific moment then - HAH! GOTCHA!" and forced comedy became a bit tiring. I left the theatre feeling literally battered by the stupidity of it. It is thoroughly and completely bad. I'm just glad they killed all the compelling characters and plotlines so I don't have to give a poo poo anymore.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:22
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The Human Crouton posted:That reminds me: I'm never going to watch this movie again so did Luke make any tracks when he walked on that planet? He doesn't. I wonder what did actually happen to his green lightsaber. Did he just leave it on the planet with all his dead padawans?
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Dec 15, 2017 10:23
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Wank posted:He looked exactly as he did in the flashbacks to when the temple was destroyed. Browner and shorter hair and beard. Him not having his ROTJ sabre there was a weird choice. I guess it was a clue. Also, as I mentioned, there's focus on how Kylo's steps leave red tracks in the salt desert, while Luke leaves no tracks at all.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:25
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Chickenwalker posted:I left the theatre feeling literally battered by the stupidity of it. It is thoroughly and completely bad. I'm just glad they killed all the compelling characters and plotlines so I don't have to give a poo poo anymore. Same. I was so happy when Luke died because I'm totally free to ignore IX. I don't know how they plan to market IX with .5 total compelling characters.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:25
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Not a perfect movie, but I liked it more than Force Awakens, and I'll hold out hope that Episode 9 sticks the landing the way RotJ didn't quite manage to, though I personally like RotJ far more than I think most people do. I saw one reviewer say that there was just a bit too much comedy undercutting serious emotional moments, and I have to agree, though for me the only point it really stood out to me was after Rey cuts down that piece of stone and it wrecks that wagon. I was really digging seeing Luke crying and emotional at someone just stylishly swinging around a lightsaber. I agree with the notion some have expressed that there are script issues, namely that just about everything at the broad military level didn't make sense logistically, but that's never really been Star Wars' strength. I've been spoiled in that area by reading loads of Star Wars books that cover the military side of space battles, strategy, and knowing who is in control of what in the galaxy in more sensible detail. Ultimately there were too many fun story twists and super cool visuals for me to give it anything below a B+ grade, I can't hold it's faults against it too much when it delivers so much of what I want to see. I also thought that pointing out that the good guys are part of the war machine too and examining Luke's culpability in Ben's fall were good things to touch on. But c'mon man, I was fine not knowing much about Snoke after Force Awakens but he pulled off some next-level force showiness there, you better pad out his backstory in some form of media! Hell after Rebels ends give me the adventures of Snoke just TK tossing fools all over the place.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:27
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Also Poe's rear end is "a cockpit"
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Dec 15, 2017 10:28
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Radio! posted:He doesn't. Cool. At least one nice touch. I guess he didn't really touch or move anything while he was projecting so that's neat. They kind of ruined it with him bringing Leia spectral dice though.
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El Perkele posted:Also Poe's rear end is "a cockpit" Finn+Poe confirmed
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Dec 15, 2017 10:31
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you see at the end of the force awakens rey holds out the lightsaber to luke at the edge of the cliff, it's a literal cliff hanger and then when we go back, he throws the lightsaber over his shoulder and it's hanging on the edge of a cliff a literaler cliff hanger... really really makes you think
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Dec 15, 2017 10:34
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The Human Crouton posted:Cool. At least one nice touch. I guess he didn't really touch or move anything while he was projecting so that's neat. I was fine with that, i totally didn't guess at what was going on until the reveal and that helped keep me off the scent. It seems like he was creating illusory projections but they had some mass to them, since the dice land in Leia's hand and Kylo picks them up later. The alternative is that it's all in their heads and he's doing a kind of mass hallucination, which to be fair is an even crazier feat and it wouldn't surprise me if that's the way it's explained down the line. I also have to give them props for coming up with a force move that doesn't quite line up with anything from even the crazy EU canon, that I know of anyway. By the way, when that kid grabbed the broom at the end did he just grab it or did it kind of glide into his hand force-style? I wasn't quite paying attention to that moment, and the person I saw the movie with swears that's what happened.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:35
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NowonSA posted:I was fine with that, i totally didn't guess at what was going on until the reveal and that helped keep me off the scent. It seems like he was creating illusory projections but they had some mass to them, since the dice land in Leia's hand and Kylo picks them up later. The alternative is that it's all in their heads and he's doing a kind of mass hallucination, which to be fair is an even crazier feat and it wouldn't surprise me if that's the way it's explained down the line. I also have to give them props for coming up with a force move that doesn't quite line up with anything from even the crazy EU canon, that I know of anyway. It glided into his hand.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:37
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#justiceforsnoke
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Radio! posted:He doesn't. He had it on him when he was buried by Kylo Ren so presumably it was left buried beneath the rubble and he didn't have much interest in digging it out.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:40
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The worst part of this whole experience is going to be going back out into the real world and having to live with the feeling of being gaslit again by people who are going to swear this was good just like what happened with TFA. GONNA FEEL LIKE MUGATU AT THE END OF ZOOLANDER.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:41
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Chickenwalker posted:The worst part of this whole experience is going to be going back out into the real world and having to live with the feeling of being gaslit again by people who are going to swear this was good just like what happened with TFA. GONNA FEEL LIKE MUGATU AT THE END OF ZOOLANDER. I'm happy you're unhappy.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:43
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Chickenwalker posted:Good Lord how is this movie getting good reviews? It is absolute trash from a script standpoint. The script has issues. It needed more editing. Sub-plots should not have sub-plots. It could have been a lot better/cooler in many scenes. It's still a good movie, it's just that the missed opportunities to be great will drive you crazy. I like every scene with one exception (Leia In Space) and love some of them. It has the single greatest effects shot ever filmed, space combat category. But there's 40 minutes or so of film that I just can't justify being in the movie. NowonSA posted:By the way, when that kid grabbed the broom at the end did he just grab it or did it kind of glide into his hand force-style? I wasn't quite paying attention to that moment, and the person I saw the movie with swears that's what happened. Completely unnecessary. Good, cute, scene. But how the hell does it end up in the shooting script ? The film already had a problem finding an ending, this just made the pacing worse. Mark my words, this movie is going to have a Director's Cut that is substantially shorter than the theatrical release. To say nothing of more fan edits than ˆThe Phantom Menace". e. Wank posted:These and I genuinely laughed hard at the landing iron-ship. This is the best joke in a movie full of good ones. Star Wars films always have humor in them, you'll laugh during the movie. Where TLJ went wrong was having actual comedy, which is very different from pulp adventure fiction, and produces a tonal mis-match that hurts the movie. That said, at least it was good comedy. And I really enjoyed Hux being the brunt of so many good jokes. mllaneza fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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Chickenwalker posted:The worst part of this whole experience is going to be going back out into the real world and having to live with the feeling of being gaslit again by people who are going to swear this was good just like what happened with TFA. GONNA FEEL LIKE MUGATU AT THE END OF ZOOLANDER. Your world view got shook by Star Wars.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:45
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The implication that Rey stole all the Jedi books without Luke knowing is interesting and amusing. And Yoda was way too into burning that loving tree. Maybe as payback for the Dagobah one. "Years ago, done this I should."
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Dec 15, 2017 10:46
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The kid end scene feels like it should've been the last short of this trilogy, not halfway through.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:49
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Was seriously impressed by Laura Dern in this - she's an incredible actor and I thought her character was cool as gently caress. Would have liked to have seen more of her in Ep IX tbh, but at least she got a top-tier death. Also, was Yoda back to being a puppet or was he CGI? Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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Dec 15, 2017 10:51
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I thought the long shots of him looked like CGI out of the Clone Wars TV show, but the closer shots were puppets at least.
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Dec 15, 2017 10:54
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Milky Moor posted:The kid end scene feels like it should've been the last short of this trilogy, not halfway through. it fits incredibly well as a pitch for the new trilogy by Rian Johnson, which will never get made because lol long-term director plans at Disney just lol
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Dec 15, 2017 10:54
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I love Adam Driver, I love Kylo Ren but outside of killing Harrison Ford he hasnt done anything competent or scary. Killing Leia or Luke would have helped. We need a Villian
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I know this is full sperg but the 'space physics' in this movie were really a few steps too ridiculous for me, it was too much 'submarines in space'; the timelines made no sense (space monaco adventures), fleet running out of fuel within hours, not a single first order ship being able to just step on the gas or jump ahead or whatever, the bombers 'falling down' after their engines are taken out, etc, etc. But on the other hand 'hyperspace through the mother ship' was absurdly cool so whatever. Mr. Flunchy posted:Was seriously impressed by Laura Dern in this - she's an incredible actor and I thought her character was cool as gently caress. Would have liked to have seen more of her in Ep IX tbh, but at least she got a top-tier death. Her face is ridiculously expressive, I felt it was pretty funny to have her and Carrie RIP face to face with one another. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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