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The Maquis were created specifically for Voyager, but TNG and DS9 each had to do episodes meant to introduce viewers to the whole idea of them. TNG got Journey's End and Preemptive Strike, and DS9 did The Maquis pt 1 and 2. Then Voyager went and forgot about the whole idea of them as Voyager is wont to do with most of their plot threads.
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MorgaineDax posted:The Maquis were created specifically for Voyager, but TNG and DS9 each had to do episodes meant to introduce viewers to the whole idea of them. TNG got Journey's End and Preemptive Strike, and DS9 did The Maquis pt 1 and 2. Each episode 10 times more substantial than anything Voyager ever did with the Maquis. Or maybe in general.
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Dec 16, 2017 23:53
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Holy poo poo that fadeout on ice cold Picard
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Can we assume Ro Laren dies when the Dominion crush the Maquis?
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I'm guessing I was supposed to be more sympathetic to the Maquis and Ro there, and I did feel sorry for them, but according to everything we know they could start a war that'd cost hundreds of thousands of lives and I had that in mind the whole time. Anyway, I'm gonna watch All Good Things on Monday since that was the day of the week it aired originally.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Each episode 10 times more substantial than anything Voyager ever did with the Maquis. Or maybe in general. The DS9 writers eventually wanted to kill them all off to start wrapping up some plot threads leading in their final seasons. Rick Berman said no because the Voyager writers were totally going to use the Maquis in future episodes, pinky swear. *Ron Howard voice* They didn't.
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MorgaineDax posted:The DS9 writers eventually wanted to kill them all off to start wrapping up some plot threads leading in their final seasons. Rick Berman said no because the Voyager writers were totally going to use the Maquis in future episodes, pinky swear. IIRC the Maquis were eventually annihilated off-screen, which is fitting since I believe most of the action with Maquis happened off-screen.
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Dec 17, 2017 00:01
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Yeah, but they had to put in that little addendum with Sisko and Dax saying, "oh maybe they're still out there plotting," just to keep Rick Berman happy.
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Dec 17, 2017 00:07
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Ro is a piece of poo poo Ro Laren is great and I refuse to hear otherwise
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MorgaineDax posted:Yeah, but they had to put in that little addendum with Sisko and Dax saying, "oh maybe they're still out there plotting," just to keep Rick Berman happy. Those devious space immigrants.
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MorgaineDax posted:Yeah, but they had to put in that little addendum with Sisko and Dax saying, "oh maybe they're still out there plotting," just to keep Rick Berman happy. Until after DS9 ended, when Voyager made contact with the Alpha Quadrant again and were told that the Maquis were eradicated by the Dominion - dead or in Dominion POW camps. Ro might have survived and spent the war in a labor camp, but her fate is never specifically revealed.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Ro is a piece of poo poo *glass breaks* *John Cena theme* *motorcyle rev* She's coming for you now, boy
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Dec 17, 2017 00:15
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The Maquis are totally believable and I think fit in really great in the DS9 setting but they never have the pathos they want to give them. The come across like Cliven Bundy types or West Bank settlers, not people taking a principled if possibly impractical stand.
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Dec 17, 2017 00:29
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Arglebargle III posted:Can we assume Ro Laren dies when the Dominion crush the Maquis? In the extended fiction Kira becomes a Vedek and Ro takes her job at DS9
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Dec 17, 2017 00:30
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Firebert posted:In the extended fiction Kira becomes a Vedek and Ro takes her job at DS9 Which was the original plan for Ro anyways.
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Dec 17, 2017 00:58
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Firebert posted:Kira becomes a Vedek What
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Moriatti posted:What “Kira likes religion, right? What if we made her a Pope or whatever?” “Sure, I guess.” <resumes writing yearly Borg invasion plot>
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Dec 17, 2017 01:24
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Bajorans. The only race in the universe where their 'religion of peace' is lead by people who have killed a poo poo ton of innocents.
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Dec 17, 2017 01:48
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It’s not an inherently terrible place for her to go. DS9 always depicted her as very religious. She just also knows 20 ways to kill you with her bare hands.
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Dec 17, 2017 01:48
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It's more believable than her taste in romantic partners.
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Dec 17, 2017 01:52
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Kira by the end of the show struck me as someone who wouldn’t join the clergy though, based on all the incompetence and corruption apparent under Kai Wynn.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:11
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Alternatively, Star Trek Online posits both Kira and Ro going on to... do nothing notable, basically. Ro is eventually freed from a POW camp, returns to find that she was dishonorably discharged from Starfleet, and goes back to Bajor in obscurity. Kira moves to Bajor full time as the senior liaison between Starfleet and the planetary government (because Cryptic can't afford Nana Visitor as a VA).Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:The Maquis are totally believable and I think fit in really great in the DS9 setting but they never have the pathos they want to give them. The come across like Cliven Bundy types or West Bank settlers, not people taking a principled if possibly impractical stand. I think the biggest problem with the Maquis is that they show up right before the Dominion stuff starts in earnest, which is far more interesting and has a much greater story presence.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:11
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Moriatti posted:What Yeah STO is terrible, like every ship captain is Harry Kim' 3rd cousin twice removed or whatever. Standard tiny world fanfic.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:30
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Come to think of it, do we ever see people leave Starfleet as a matter of routine? The force structure can't have one admiral per ensign, can it?
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Dec 17, 2017 02:31
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Cythereal posted:I think the biggest problem with the Maquis is that they show up right before the Dominion stuff starts in earnest, which is far more interesting and has a much greater story presence.
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Arglebargle III posted:Come to think of it, do we ever see people leave Starfleet as a matter of routine? The force structure can't have one admiral per ensign, can it? Starfleet is run like Valve. There are 4 admirals, however many starship and space station crews, and then a poo poo load of lieutenants who have been with Starfleet forever and are allowed to just work on whatever the hell they feel like and not have to actually produce results.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Kira by the end of the show struck me as someone who wouldn’t join the clergy though, based on all the incompetence and corruption apparent under Kai Wynn. It depends where the Bajoran religious establishment turns after the events of What You Leave Behind though. DS9 didn’t really do the necessary groundwork for us to judge. The pope getting seduced and then murdered by the devil could be a really big deal, or it could be covered up as a pointless assassination by a disgraced enemy. A decision to join the federation could shake the power of the church or it could strengthen it. The end of the war might signal a shift in who holds power or it might not. The show doesn’t really go into any of these things. I don’t think it’s innately unbelievable that Kira would finally lay down her arms and dedicate her life to religion especially after losing her friend and mentor in Sisko to a miraculous messianic transcendence though.
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MorgaineDax posted:"oh maybe they're still out there plotting," Unlike the Voyager writers! 
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah STO is terrible, like every ship captain is Harry Kim' 3rd cousin twice removed or whatever. Standard tiny world fanfic. That stuff isn't from STO, it's from the novels. STO and the novels offer completely different ideas of what happens after DS9/VOY, and STO is actually much more restrained about that kind of thing. STO has Ro becoming an embittered ex-Starfleet ex-Maquis farmer on Bajor after spending years in a Dominion POW camp, and Kira taking a desk job on Bajor.
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Arglebargle III posted:Come to think of it, do we ever see people leave Starfleet as a matter of routine? The force structure can't have one admiral per ensign, can it? Bones, Worf, Sisko considered it. e: Even Picard toyed with creating ocean floor habitats. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Trickjaw posted:Bones, Worf, Sisko considered it. Wasn't Bones retired before TMP? Hence the disco suit and the beard.
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Cythereal posted:
Yeah, though that's also one of the things that makes them fit into the setting in a cool way. This poo poo means a ton to them, but they're really just a source of annoyance and diplomatic tension while the real important stuff is happening elsewhere. Give a big feel to the storyworld.
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Spoeank posted:Wasn't Bones retired before TMP? Hence the disco suit and the beard. Yeah, and so was Spock for that matter.
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Ok so Worf just adopted this kid. Does he actually stick around and Worf just has to keep taking care of him for the rest of the series or what?
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Windows 98 posted:Ok so Worf just adopted this kid. Does he actually stick around and Worf just has to keep taking care of him for the rest of the series or what? He shows up once or twice a season and even, on extremely rare occasions, in good episodes
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cheetah7071 posted:You'll see enough of them for them to be turned uncool i think the borg are pretty cool in TNG all the way from what i remember. its voyager that killed them
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corn in the bible posted:i think the borg are pretty cool in TNG all the way from what i remember. its voyager that killed them Descent isn't very good imo
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cheetah7071 posted:He shows up once or twice a season and even, on extremely rare occasions, in good episodes You're thinking of Alexander. I think Windows 98 meant Jeremy Aster. And nope, Jeremy never shows up again.
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Powered Descent posted:You're thinking of Alexander. I think Windows 98 meant Jeremy Aster. So are we supposed to forget it even happened? How did they get away with that haha
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Windows 98 posted:So are we supposed to forget it even happened? How did they get away with that haha 90’s syndication TV
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