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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I think what you should take away from the whole out with the old theme is that it's basically the French Revolution. Yes, the Jedi are bad, the arms dealers profit off child slavery and selling weapons to others, but we see the new that all the characters are spouting is a bunch of poorly thought out dumb poo poo with no real consideration of the consequences. Rose and Finn trashing the casino seems like a real good idea but ultimately accomplishes nothing. Poe's mutiny - while stemming from legitimate concerns about Holdo's poor leadership/planning skills - ultimately just weakens the rebels and in the end ruins their plans. The problem with that reading is thats already what the originals did. Especially when combined with the prequels they are all about redemption from past failures and not following the same mistakes. All the new trilogy has done is lie to our faces about the lessons of the originals. "No they weren't about redemption from past failures and not following the same mistakes. That only happens in our movies!"
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TremorX posted:It's almost as if the message of this movie was that wars [do] not make one great. It's a movie about purpose. Luke finds true purpose as a Jedi, Rey finds true purpose as a "chosen one", Kylo finds true purpose as a tyrant, Finn finds true purpose as a soldier and Poe finds true purpose as a gently caress-up seriously poe did everything wrong but i guess he learned a lesson fuckin' hell gently caress poe dameron
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Dec 17, 2017 02:54
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I’m getting real super tired of every blockbuster movie jumping on the Guardians of the Galaxy forced quirky humor moments. Like, it’s fine, it worked for that movie, but keep that poo poo out of Star Wars please. The humor in this movie was hamfisted and fourth-wall-breaking in a way that was beyond anything in previous movies. Would honestly prefer the return of geriatric Jar Jar over Luke awkwardly tickling Rey with a leaf during what was supposed to be a really profound moment.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:56
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Now I think about it, I am reminded of this scene when Luke comes in to see Kylo in his sleep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17weg7weEkQ Also I am very surprised nobody outside of Snoke lost a limb. I was figuring Rey would lose a hand or arm like Anakin and Luke did in their second movie.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:57
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Siets posted:Luke awkwardly tickling Rey with a leaf during what was supposed to be a really profound moment. Poe's exchange with Hux was a bit cringeworthy, but that scene was loving gold.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:59
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Luke being a dick in in character and also completely befitting of the Jedi Master role since Yoda was also a small green penis.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:01
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Plus that scene did get profound but it was AFTER that moment.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:02
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Dias posted:Luke being a dick in in character and also completely befitting of the Jedi Master role since Yoda was also a small green penis. I still laugh when he starts throwing all of Luke's stuff on the ground and then beats R2D2 with a stick.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:02
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Taintrunner posted:Tarkin, Vader, Boba, Jabba, Vader, are all shown with varying degrees of menace that is genuinely intimidating. "My favourite Star Wars villain is Darth Vader. He is menacing. I also like Tarkin. He is menacing too. I am intimidated by Boba Fett's menace. What a menace those villains are." Who cares? Taintrunner posted:Instead, we get a rugged individualism of everyone having their super epic awesome badass moment. Almost all of those "super epic awesome badass moments" involve unnecessary death. Poe gets every bomber pilot killed... and for what? Blow up the big scary ship only for the bigger, scarier ship to come for them instead? Finn and Rose go off on a crazy adventure and all that happens is that they get a bunch of Resistance members, including Admiral Holdo, killed. The point is that if sacrifice is going to happen it should be for a reason.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:06
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This movie was so terrible I literally can't single anything out.
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cargohills posted:The other two points make some modicum of sense, but this is just strange. Maybe you're referring to Rose's little speech about their purpose be saving things they love and not destroying things their hate, but that doesn't mean the bad things still shouldn't be destroyed. It's just not the end goal. Rose was out there in a skimmer just to make sure nobody actually hurt the First Order  TLJ was good, don't think too hard about how the space laser sword movies don't mesh perfectly with your political views.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:18
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Saw The Last Jedi a second time, loved it even more. The scene with the cruiser jumping to lightspeed into the First Order fleet, and Princess Leia coming back from death, both got standing ovations from the audience.
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cargohills posted:"My favourite Star Wars villain is Darth Vader. He is menacing. I also like Tarkin. He is menacing too. I am intimidated by Boba Fett's menace. What a menace those villains are." Who cares? As opposed to "necessary death"? I just can't entirely get on board with this whole narrative of "if sacrifice is going to happen it should be for a reason" since it's not supported by what happens on screen. Isn't it true that the Empire is now without one of its biggest ships? It's also true that the B2 Bomber Ship was always going to show up anyway, since it was the only one that can track the Rebel ship. At some point soldiers are going to die. The foreign policy of the Resistance appears to now be "engage in war but no deaths". Also, thinking about it now, Holdo attempted Kirk's Kobayashi Maru cheat but got caught--all the while Poe was Bones and Ohura asking him to take the loving thing seriously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fMuUraWtc
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I said come in! posted:Saw The Last Jedi a second time, loved it even more. The scene with the cruiser jumping to lightspeed into the First Order fleet, and Princess Leia coming back from death, both got standing ovations from the audience. This has to be extreme hyperbole. Or you sat in a theater full of dumb loving goobers.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:23
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Waffles Inc. posted:As opposed to "necessary death"? The Resistance is small. One death, one loss is already heavy. Poe destroyed a bigass ship at a big cost but how did it help the cause?
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Dec 17, 2017 03:25
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Foppish Yet Dashing posted:This has to be extreme hyperbole. Or you sat in a theater full of dumb loving goobers. My theater gave a standing ovation during the Infinity War trailer before the movie. 
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Foppish Yet Dashing posted:This has to be extreme hyperbole. Or you sat in a theater full of dumb loving goobers. nah it's possible that the audience was albert einstein Dias posted:The Resistance is small. One death, one loss is already heavy. Poe destroyed a bigass ship at a big cost but how did it help the cause? It killed enemy combatants and removed what appeared to be a major threat to their base and future bases? We see that the big ship has the ability to shoot it's base destroying cannons are ships in space. And everyone's reaction was that when it had locked those cannons on Leia they were all dead. So if that ship hadn't have been destroyed and followed along with the rest and tracked the Rebels through space wouldn't it have had the range to destroy the rebel ship later? The surface of the planet was definitely further away than the Rebel ship was, so it wouldn't be out of range like the B2. Poe was correct and the losses were worth it, only to have Holdo hide her plan and doom everyone, requiring the loss of the ship, lots of transports and herself. Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Waffles Inc. posted:Also, thinking about it now, Holdo attempted Kirk's Kobayashi Maru cheat but got caught--all the while Poe was Bones and Ohura asking him to take the loving thing seriously TLJ was a pretty amazing Star Trek movie.
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Waffles Inc. posted:At some point soldiers are going to die. The foreign policy of the Resistance appears to now be "engage in war but no deaths". No army has ever tried to minimise losses. Not killing your own troops for no real benefit is unrealistic. I've finally seen the light. Thank you. Waffles Inc. posted:Isn't it true that the Empire is now without one of its biggest ships? It's also true that the B2 Bomber Ship was always going to show up anyway, since it was the only one that can track the Rebel ship. It is explicitly stated that if they blew up the tracker they'd just start tracking from a new ship. For the tracking plan to work they needed to disable it and slip away before they noticed. Waffles Inc. posted:Also, thinking about it now, Holdo attempted Kirk's Kobayashi Maru cheat but got caught--all the while Poe was Bones and Ohura asking him to take the loving thing seriously If an escape plan that doesn't involve killing about 90% of your own crew is cheating, then yes, Admiral Holdo was cheating. That is, however, a very unique definition of cheating.
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Foppish Yet Dashing posted:Was thinking a bit about what seems to be one of the most disliked sequences in the film: the casino planet sequence. You can make your own head-canon to cope, that's fine.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:31
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poo poo movie that once again lacks any original ideas and instead simply apes the originals.
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SeANMcBAY posted:My theater gave a standing ovation during the Infinity War trailer before the movie. My theatre gave me a standing ovation when I stood up in front of the screen before it started and shouted about how good a poster SuperMechaGodzilla is. Although the applause might just have been for when I got dragged away by security. Barreft posted:You can make your own head-canon to cope, that's fine. Nobody should think, talk or write about films because that would be fan fiction.
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cargohills posted:It is explicitly stated that if they blew up the tracker they'd just start tracking from a new ship. For the tracking plan to work they needed to disable it and slip away before they noticed. That's exactly what I'm saying. If Poe's bombers hadn't have destroyed the Big Cannon Ship it would have been in THE CHASE along with Snoke's ship (the tracking one) and its cannons easily had the range to destroy the rebel ship cargohills posted:If an escape plan that doesn't involve killing about 90% of your own crew is cheating, then yes, Admiral Holdo was cheating. That is, however, a very unique definition of cheating. By cheating I mean she thinks her plan will work perfectly when in fact it's not solving the actual problem at all. She steps in, totally certain of her authority and idea when it's utterly useless to the actual problem at hand.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:36
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But Poe DID NOT KNOW THAT. It was maybe a good decision in hindsight assuming some poo poo about the chase and the dreadnought but at the time he wiped out all the bombers for little tactical advantage.
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Dec 17, 2017 03:39
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Dias posted:But Poe DID NOT KNOW THAT. It was maybe a good decision in hindsight assuming some poo poo about the chase and the dreadnought but at the time he wiped out all the bombers for little tactical advantage. Little tactical advantage? Destroying a ship that can very powerfully orbitally bombard any base they set up is...bad?
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Dec 17, 2017 03:41
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Waffles Inc. posted:Little tactical advantage? Destroying a ship that can very powerfully orbitally bombard any base they set up is...bad? The Resistance is small. Tactics are small scale. Why do that at the time? It was a spur of the moment decision. It used invaluable resources. Arguably it helped in the short run because of circumstances no one could see coming in universe. However, it's the equivalent of the French Resistance rushing down a German Panzer.
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Waffles Inc. posted:That's exactly what I'm saying. If Poe's bombers hadn't have destroyed the Big Cannon Ship it would have been in THE CHASE along with Snoke's ship (the tracking one) and its cannons easily had the range to destroy the rebel ship If Poe's bombers hadn't destroyed the tracking ship and they instead just left, they'd probably have left before Snoke's ship got there and started tracking them. Instead he decides to destroy the ship because it will look cool. Waffles Inc. posted:By cheating I mean she thinks her plan will work perfectly when in fact it's not solving the actual problem at all. She steps in, totally certain of her authority and idea when it's utterly useless to the actual problem at hand. But her plan would have worked? They'd have gotten to Crait undetected; the First Order would have destroyed the capital ships and presumed victory. Even if the other rebels still didn't respond, they'd be in the same situation as they are at the end of the film but not so diminished in numbers that they all manage to fit into the Millennium Falcon. Waffles Inc. posted:Little tactical advantage? Destroying a ship that can very powerfully orbitally bombard any base they set up is...bad? There's not enough people by the end of The Last Jedi to bother setting up a base. The tactical benefit of avoiding orbital bombardment of your base from one of presumably several dreadnought ships is lost when you've not got a base. cargohills fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Mahoning posted:Benicio Del Toro’s minor character was more interesting and memorable than the entire cast of Rogue One. Chirrut and Baze, come on dude. Just loving stop.
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AwwJeah posted:I still feel like there’s plenty of opportunities in episode 9 to get backstory on Snoke. I have a feeling Kyle is going to “get the band back together” with the knights of ren and a lot of that is going to resurface. Yeah where the hell were the knights of ren? This whole movie feels like Rian wanted to make his own film and ignored the previous one.
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cargohills posted:If Poe's bombers hadn't destroyed the tracking ship and they instead just left, they'd probably have left before Snoke's ship got there and started tracking them. Instead he decides to destroy the ship because it will look cool. The transport ships are very clearly visible to the naked eye, they would obviously have been torn to fuckin shreds, especially since they could easily be seen heading to the planet that is also clearly visible to the naked eye. If Holdo hadn't have smugly been sitting on her plan and instead perhaps consulting her pilots and crew on a workable plan, it would have gone better Dias posted:The Resistance is small. Tactics are small scale. Why do that at the time? It was a spur of the moment decision. It used invaluable resources. Arguably it helped in the short run because of circumstances no one could see coming in universe. However, it's the equivalent of the French Resistance rushing down a German Panzer. Imagine if Ackbar had busted Lando down a rank for continuing their attack in an equally dire situation. It would've been absurd. cargohills posted:There's not enough people by the end of The Last Jedi to bother setting up a base. The tactical benefit of avoiding orbital bombardment of your base from one of presumably several dreadnought ships is lost when you've not got a base. They'll...never have another base?
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gohmak posted:I was afraid to ask because until I saw it a second time but I was sure the kid force pulled the broom. Out of me, my mom, and my brother, I am the only one who noticed broom boy at the end. I wonder what percentage of the audience catches it on their first viewing? Waffles Inc. posted:If Holdo hadn't have smugly been sitting on her plan and instead perhaps consulting her pilots and crew on a workable plan, it would have gone better This is my one problem with the movie. I understand why it has to happen, but it wasn't executed right.
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Barreft posted:Yeah where the hell were the knights of ren? This whole movie feels like Rian wanted to make his own film and ignored the previous one. And then JJ is making the one after this. poo poo's gonna be real silly.
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Waffles Inc. posted:The transport ships are very clearly visible to the naked eye, they would obviously have been torn to fuckin shreds, especially since they could easily be seen heading to the planet that is also clearly visible to the naked eye. Given that the plan works fine until the master hacker tells the First Order to scan for cloaked ships... then no, I disagree. Waffles Inc. posted:If Holdo hadn't have smugly been sitting on her plan [...] it would have gone better This is correct. This is a flaw of Holdo's, which she shares with Poe despite being outwardly more by-the-book. Waffles Inc. posted:They'll...never have another base? Given that by the end of the film the Resistance fits in what is essentially a small truck, I don't imagine it's a big deal for them at that moment. And the First Order is super powerful - if they can turn a planet into a mega-Death Star then I feel like they've probably got more than one Dreadnought.
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Waffles Inc. posted:The transport ships are very clearly visible to the naked eye, they would obviously have been torn to fuckin shreds, especially since they could easily be seen heading to the planet that is also clearly visible to the naked eye. Did you watch the movie? This is what Poe says, almost word for word, but the whole idea is they won't be seen because of the cloaking. I don't think spaceships and the vastness of space work like a car windshield. Like, they're looking at monitors and radar and sensors to figure out where the enemy is. Not eyeballing poo poo out the window.
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cargohills posted:There's not enough people by the end of The Last Jedi to bother setting up a base. The tactical benefit of avoiding orbital bombardment of your base from one of presumably several dreadnought ships is lost when you've not got a base. This is Poe's genius.
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I thought Luke tickling Rey with the leaf was one of the funniest moments of the whole thing.
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cargohills posted:Given that the plan works fine until the master hacker tells the First Order to scan for cloaked ships... then no, I disagree. They're clearly not cloaked. Hence my whole thing about cheating.
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Waffles Inc. posted:They're clearly not cloaked. Hence my whole thing about cheating. Cloaked to the ship's sensors and radar and weapons, not cloaked to the human eye Like in almost every scifi movie ever? Whenever a movie has cloaked ships do you think they're working like Wonder Woman's invisible jet?
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SeANMcBAY posted:Rose is a great character and opened up a side of Star Wars we never seen before. I hope Episode 9 has something interesting for her to do other than be a Finn love interest. hyennaraffe breeder and seller
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trash person posted:Cloaked to the ship's sensors and radar and weapons, not cloaked to the human eye This is star wars it can be exactly as stupid as it wants to be and we don't have to like it
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