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hyphz posted:That bug is right in the core of the system, though. Dexterity is mistaken for Agilty, but you can't have agility without strength. Reflex saves have no Strength component even though seeing a ball of fire coming towards you is no use if your muscles are too feeble to move your rear end out of the way in time. The only social skill keyed to Strength is Intimidate which is seen as a negative thing to use, even though plenty of people are impressed by Arnie or Mr.T or whoever without being in direct danger of being punched by them.
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Rand Brittain posted:I was just informed that I've been placed in a lower rank because my skill was below the minimum required after five games. Wow, seriously? Some of those games I thought I even did pretty well in, and I certainly had three golds in one of them. wow, RPGs have gotten mean
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:wow, RPGs have gotten mean Get out of here, Blackleaf is dead!
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Xiahou Dun posted:Uh. Shakespeare? Fair, but even considering that, most of his works that people know as popular fiction are theatre, or film versions that take place in modern or alternate times. That or don't offer a huge insight into that time period as a whole.
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:wow, RPGs have gotten mean Okay, if this isn't the Overwatch thread it's possible my aim really is that bad.
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Spiteski posted:That can probably be attributed to a relatively smaller pool of popular fiction taking place in that era. This is definitely a big part of it. I've struggled with good entertainment references to help people get oriented. It mostly ends up being real specific stuff like A Field In England or The VVitch. The most effective thing I've come across in terms of giving people the right idea is probably the Three Musketeers.
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Spiteski posted:Fair, but even considering that, most of his works that people know as popular fiction are theatre, or film versions that take place in modern or alternate times. That or don't offer a huge insight into that time period as a whole. Huh. Yeah. You might have me there. Now I’m going all old man yells at clouds about the lack of authentic Shakespeare. It’s me, I’m the guy raised by Kenneth Branagh.
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Halloween Jack posted:One of Brazil's most popular games is O Desafio dos Bandeirantes (The Challenge of the Bandeirantes) which is set in a fantasy version of colonial Brazil in the 17th century. Played that one in middle school! Our history teacher was real cool for having us try that. But yeah other than those it's a real underused time, specially since I was studying the virreinato lately and it's a real interesting time period.
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Rand Brittain posted:I was just informed that I've been placed in a lower rank because my skill was below the minimum required after five games. Wow, seriously? Some of those games I thought I even did pretty well in, and I certainly had three golds in one of them.
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So what is W.O.I.N., aside from EN World's proprietary RPG engine? I stumbled across something for making NPCs/monsters in it and it has 9 attributes, 4 defenses, a soak pool and HP. Is it really overcomplicated 3.x?
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Tasoth posted:EN World's proprietary RPG engine? Tasoth posted:really overcomplicated 3.x? So, I don't have any first hand knowledge but these two things seem very closely related.
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What is that supposed to even be? Is the girl in the bubble on the other side of the table? Is it supposed to be one of those "how to translate the inscrutable things a nerd might say" deals? If so, why is what he's saying just a melange of various popular RPG names? How is "Let's eat dinner" translated to "What do you want on dinner?" Is this what it feels like to watch Big Bang Theory?
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theironjef posted:What is that supposed to even be? Is the girl in the bubble on the other side of the table? Is it supposed to be one of those "how to translate the inscrutable things a nerd might say" deals? If so, why is what he's saying just a melange of various popular RPG names? How is "Let's eat dinner" translated to "What do you want on dinner?" Is this what it feels like to watch Big Bang Theory?
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theironjef posted:Is this what it feels like to watch Big Bang Theory? Do you smell burning toast?
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hyphz posted:The only social skill keyed to Strength is Intimidate which is seen as a negative thing to use, even though plenty of people are impressed by Arnie or Mr.T or whoever without being in direct danger of being punched by them. *extremely actually voice* Intimidate is linked to Charisma.
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Yawgmoth posted:In order: An attempt at a "nerd joke", probably not, yes, because the author doesn't know anything except D&D-alikes, because lol nerds only ever eat pizza, yes. The author's actually the one who did a fairly good 'how to play Fate" breakdown comics, IIRC that were circulating here awhile back, IIRC, but...yeah. Those were instructional instead of an attempt at being funny.
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The sad part is that I played in a game with a DM who more or less attempted the exact same thing, and by minute 5 it was clear that he was attaching all these moving parts together without any understanding of how they work. He also was a complete shitlord who couldn’t grasp the concept of playing a character of a different gender, but that’s a story for another time.
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Kai Tave posted:Has there ever been an RPG webcomic that was actually good? Kill Six Billion Demons 
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Simian_Prime posted:The sad part is that I played in a game with a DM who more or less attempted the exact same thing, and by minute 5 it was clear that he was attaching all these moving parts together without any understanding of how they work. What? Also, I had something similar, but the GM wasn't a shitlord. She tried to run 4e D&D with 13th Age's background system and it just didn't mesh because the skill system is just too deeply engrained.
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theironjef posted:Wait, you've heard of Magic? My obscure CCG reference wasn't obscure enough! Seriously, your drat dead-rear end great--grandma had heard of D&D. I'm mad at this comic. I can’t wait til “Intelligent Life” starts making D&D references and we get to meet another tracing of a Family Guy character as the GM.
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Haystack posted:Kill Six Billion Demons I don't really count that because the comic came first and then the creator decided he wanted to make an RPG based on it, rather than someone starting from the first principle of "I want to make a comic about playing RPGs or set in an RPG world." What's the webcomic where gamer nerds are actually some kind of special changeling-esque fantastical creatures by night and there's an order of sinister normie hunters devoted to killing them?
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I have to believe there's an actual play that's not garbage? Uh... 8-Bit Theatre was something I read as a teen, is that good?
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Kai Tave posted:What's the webcomic where gamer nerds are actually some kind of special changeling-esque fantastical creatures by night and there's an order of sinister normie hunters devoted to killing them? Weregeek? Just a guess -- I never read it, just saw ad banners for it back in my webcomic-reading days -- but I think that was the premise.
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Antivehicular posted:Weregeek? Just a guess -- I never read it, just saw ad banners for it back in my webcomic-reading days -- but I think that was the premise. That's it! I don't know if they ever kept that premise going or not, it seemed like the writer would periodically go back and forth between that and regular three panel gag strips, but I do remember the first time I read it my eyes literally rolled right out of my skull which is why I have these replacement eyeballs. Moriatti posted:I have to believe there's an actual play that's not garbage? It's pretty impressive that the guy who used to be The 8-Bit Theater Guy went on to do Atomic Robo and seems to be reasonably successful at it, good for him.
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Covok posted:What? So one of the systems used by said GM for his nominally 5e game was a DCC style Funnel. Everything from race to occupation was rolled randomly on a bunch of tables, so I figured “I’ll flip a coin to randomly determine gender as well for my four characters.” I got 3 men and 1 woman. The woman was the only survivor of the funnel so she became my 1st level paladin character. She was the only female character in the group (I’m male). Right out the gate when the GM realizes this, he starts commanding “I don’t want to see *any* romantic subplots in my games!” (Nobody was asking for any). His in-game behavior towards both my character and I became incredibly passive-aggressive, to the point that by session 2 I just stopped going. Blows my mind that someone can provide 20 options for playing a fantasy creature, but try to play a “woman” and grogs lose their poo poo.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Order of the Stick? OotS is probably the best anti-3.5 cautionary tale ever written.
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Simian_Prime posted:OotS is probably the best anti-3.5 cautionary tale ever written. It's also impressive that someone can work on a comic for as long as Burlew has and still be just so drat bad at it.
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Flipping through Up to Four Players, the only joke seems to be "What if somebody acted in an exaggerated fashion regarding tabletop games!" But it's not a punchline, there's no setup, just... it's too bad, because they seem to be reasonably good at cartooning, but the jokes are just the characters hamming on the final panel. The instructional stuff is cute but doesn't really make much use of the medium, it's just characters hamming references around text boxes. Hamming, it's a word I'm using now, I guess. Moriatti posted:Uh... 8-Bit Theatre was something I read as a teen, is that good? It was alright for the time and standards of the early 2000s, but Brian Clevinger was pretty wise to eventually abandon that ship. Too many webcomic authors end up having a hit strip become their iron lung. Speaking of which, Order of the Stick was cute and jokey at first, but like many comics that run too long, it became an ouroboros of self-congratulatory nonsense.
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Dude should probably stick to the "Explain how to play a game" comics and not try to tell jokes other than the Star Wars comic's shouty "I wanna be a wookie" guy which is a person that is actually in every Star Wars group.
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unseenlibrarian posted:Dude should probably stick to the "Explain how to play a game" comics and not try to tell jokes other than the Star Wars comic's shouty "I wanna be a wookie" guy which is a person that is actually in every Star Wars group. I have been that guy.
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Oh hey, there's a comments section.quote:This is hilarious! Incoming text bomb for anyone who cares, though (don't say I didn't warn you):
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, STR as D&D defines it is actually this very weird specific facet of overall strength that doesn't correspond to how muscles work in real life. It wasn't a conspiracy against fighters, either, it was just an accident brought about by cargo-culting D&D's mechanics. In old-school D&D, STR is important for melee fighting, lifting and carrying heavy things, and forcing doors open. That makes it really valuable in the context of D&D and not so much in a ton of other games in different genres. Imagine what gaming could have been if Gygax had a gym membership.
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