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Families are fine. But do we really need two of the same person running around the MU?
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From what issue are the time displaced X-Men suppose to be from?
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Dec 16, 2017 19:39
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I'm in the families are fine but you only need one of each character camp. Speaking of which, who the gently caress is Bloodstorm? Just like, an alternate universe version of Storm where everyone is vampires? Is that necessary? Wasn't the point of House of M to decrease the sheer number of mutants in the Marvel universe? So since then their big plan has been to repopulate by doubling up on all existing mutants?
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Dec 16, 2017 20:18
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House of M had two purposes: 1) to remove mutants as their own subculture, because when you do that, it stops being an allegory for real-world subcultures; and 2) to remove "mutant" as an origin since it was lazy. That virtually no major character was actually depowered as a result of HoM makes it clear this was their actual intention. It was never to make there be fewer mutant characters.
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Dec 16, 2017 21:02
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Cocks Cable posted:From what issue are the time displaced X-Men suppose to be from? Within the first ten of Uncanny, I want say right after issue 6.
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Dec 16, 2017 21:28
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davebo posted:I'm in the families are fine but you only need one of each character camp. Speaking of which, who the gently caress is Bloodstorm? Just like, an alternate universe version of Storm where everyone is vampires? Is that necessary? Wasn't the point of House of M to decrease the sheer number of mutants in the Marvel universe? So since then their big plan has been to repopulate by doubling up on all existing mutants? Bloodstorm was from Mutant X - the comic that sprung from Havok being in a coma and having his consciousness displaced to an alternate reality (X-Factor V1 #149). Not everyone there is vampire. If memory serves, her origin is that instead of being freed by Kitty, as happened in 616, she succumbed to Dracula and was turned. (Uncanny #159 is the original Dracula story)
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Dec 16, 2017 22:01
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Endless Mike posted:1) to remove mutants as their own subculture, because when you do that, it stops being an allegory for real-world subcultures; See, I always felt the opposite was true. When mutants were a culture, rather than just an origin, it made the metaphor stronger for me. Now they don't really seem like an allegory for much of anything, these days.
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Dec 16, 2017 22:05
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I had an interesting conversation at the store. What race is Laura (Wolverine) portrayed as in the comics? Because it seems she's become something of a hispanic icon since Logan was released but I was under the impression that her comic book mom was Asian? Have they clarified this ever?
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Dec 16, 2017 23:05
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She's as Asian as Logan is. Her mother wasn't Asian either, and even if she was her DNA wasn't used in the cloning.
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Dec 16, 2017 23:10
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Aphrodite posted:She's as Asian as Logan is. I'm probably just thinking of how she was drawn in her early mini series. My customer was pretty adamant that she was hispanic in comics and film.
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Dec 16, 2017 23:17
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Rhyno posted:I'm probably just thinking of how she was drawn in her early mini series. My customer was pretty adamant that she was hispanic in comics and film. Yeah, the artist's style on the X-23 origin miniseries made a lot of people think she's asian. She's never been hispanic either, but just on the front page of a GIS I can see a few examples that might make someone think that. According to comic book science she's 100% Wolverine except for the parts that allow her to be female, and have her 3rd claw on the foot.
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Dec 16, 2017 23:25
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Aphrodite posted:According to comic book science she's 100% Wolverine except for the parts that allow her to be female, and have her 3rd claw on the foot. She's 100% Wolverine except without the alteration of the Y-chromosome that made Logan biologically male, there was damage to the DNA sample they were using that was causing the clones to fail and so Kinney decided to make an unauthorized clone without trying to alter the gender expression. Moving the third claw to her feet was because nature likes its clones to be more rad than the source, one of many reasons Laura is my one true Wolverine.
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Dec 16, 2017 23:33
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I think she's supposed to be hispanic in X-Men Evolution where she debuted.
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Dec 16, 2017 23:37
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Her surrogate mom may have been Asian (I don't recall), but that doesn't matter in the slightest since there's no actual blood relation between the two. Similarly, her DNA is entirely Wolverine who is a Canadian, so neither Hispanic nor Latinx.
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Dec 17, 2017 00:10
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Laura's a clone of wolverine who's descended from wolves
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Dec 17, 2017 12:31
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Laura looks an awful lot like Sarah Kinney despite there being no genetic relationship whatsoever, but that might be some kind of ongoing art error. I wanted to say that Sarah's genetics were used to patch up the incomplete DNA from Logan, but I could be mistaken. "X-Men: Evolution" Laura was distinctly darker-skinned than comics Laura.
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Dec 17, 2017 12:54
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Wanderer posted:Laura looks an awful lot like Sarah Kinney despite there being no genetic relationship whatsoever, but that might be some kind of ongoing art error. I wanted to say that Sarah's genetics were used to patch up the incomplete DNA from Logan, but I could be mistaken. Well you made me curious so I just re-read all of Innocence Lost, and there's no mention of that. But she's a white, black-haired woman and Laura's a white, black-haired girl, and Sarah DID carry her to term, albeit not by choice, but it's obvious she sees Laura as her daughter. I'm not sure if it was intentional that they look similar but I kinda read it as an unspoken thing, that Sarah couldn't help but bond with Laura because not only did she birth her but Laura even looked like she was her daughter. I wouldn't call it an art error. I'd call it an interesting coincidence, hopefully intentional. Despite not being built squat and jacked like Logan (and I'm no biologist but I'd call that having something to do with Logan having to lug around a 400-lb skeleton), he is always depicted as a black-haired white guy, so they look about as familial as you can get for a father and genetic-twin clone daughter in a medium where they're illustrated by a hundred different people. Also of note: People used to make a big deal when (I think it was) Bendis started writing her that she wasn't supposed to use contractions in her speech, but she only says like five complete sentences in this 6-issue mini, the last two of which are "Please don't leave... please don't leave me" after she kills Sarah in a chemical-rage. Man, I really, really love this book. (Also I love that the "Complete" X-23 doesn't include NYX. Just a little gently caress-you to the stain that the character will probably never be able to lose.)
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Dec 17, 2017 17:17
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Counterpoint: all white people look alike.
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Dec 17, 2017 17:33
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I’m guessing at some point Taylor is going to reveal a biological mother, probably Sarah. Laura has been depicted in ANW with the same green eyes as Gabby and Sarah consistently since he’s been writing her, and it’s kind of impossible for a pure clone of a blue eyed person to have green eyes. The only reason I kind of doubt it’s Sarah now is that the last arc would have been a good time to drop that and they didn’t.
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Dec 17, 2017 17:37
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They're going to pull a Superboy and it'll be Lady Deathstrike as her mother.
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Dec 17, 2017 17:57
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In any case, even if they do want to reveal Sarah as her real mother she's still just a plain old white person.
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Dec 17, 2017 18:24
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Edmund Lava posted:and it’s kind of impossible for a pure clone of a blue eyed person to have green eyes. identical twins and I guess by extension clones are kinda weird. Tampering with genes to make them female could have additional effects.
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Dec 17, 2017 19:08
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If they used the birth mother's egg cells it's not surprising. There are many traits that are affected by other parts of the egg cell and conditions in the womb during fetal development. Sprinkle on a bit of comic book science and you can justify anything.
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Dec 17, 2017 19:29
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rantmo posted:She's 100% Wolverine except without the alteration of the Y-chromosome that made Logan biologically male, there was damage to the DNA sample they were using that was causing the clones to fail and so Kinney decided to make an unauthorized clone without trying to alter the gender expression. Moving the third claw to her feet was because nature likes its clones to be more rad than the source, one of many reasons Laura is my one true Wolverine. edit: Majorie Liu tweeted this once maybe this is why I thought it: That said, I always imagined X-23 as part Asian, through her mother. But that's just me. She said that here Fritzler fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Dec 18, 2017 17:24
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How old is Laura supposed to be now? Does the healing factor kick in once you hit puberty and start slowing down the aging process immediately, or since you're still growing at that point, the healing factor doesn't view it as cell deterioration and you just age normal speed until you're like 25ish? One thing I didn't get about Old Man Logan is how it took Wolverine 200 years to get to look like he's 40, then only another 40 years to look like he's 65. I assume since his healing factory doesn't heal him as fast that it also doesn't slow down his aging as well, but I'd love some kind of chart with a bell curve showing when a Wolverine-type is at peak Wolverinitude.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:37
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davebo posted:How old is Laura supposed to be now? Does the healing factor kick in once you hit puberty and start slowing down the aging process immediately, or since you're still growing at that point, the healing factor doesn't view it as cell deterioration and you just age normal speed until you're like 25ish? One thing I didn't get about Old Man Logan is how it took Wolverine 200 years to get to look like he's 40, then only another 40 years to look like he's 65. I assume since his healing factory doesn't heal him as fast that it also doesn't slow down his aging as well, but I'd love some kind of chart with a bell curve showing when a Wolverine-type is at peak Wolverinitude. Canonically 20, give or take, as of two or three issues ago. I'd say it's probably fair to assume one would age normally til ~20-25 for the reasons you mentioned. At some point in there you're at peak physical condition before stuff starts to deteriorate. I think the Marvel-Brand Healing Factor wears down eventually; it's the only thing that makes sense. Add to that that for Logan and Laura it's constantly working to make sure they aren't killed by Adamantium poisoning. Maybe eventually it has to give up the "stop aging" part to fully do the "don't die immediately" part.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:51
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Mutants normally only get their powers at puberty too. Manifesting early is usually a sign of being omega level or beyond.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:54
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Aphrodite posted:Mutants normally only get their powers at puberty too. Severe trauma can do it too, at least that’s the case with Laura who was seven when her powers activated. I seem to remember that’s also the reason the didn’t coat her whole skeleton in adamantium. I’m guessing she’s going to stop aging around mid twenties to early thirties like pretty much every comic book character, but with an excuse this time.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:16
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The customer who made the claim that started this discussion informs me that she's been a hispanic icon for years. So im just gonna guess that he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:03
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The first new comic I've bought in over a decade was that Marvel Legacy one, where good old original Wolverine was suddenly back with no explanation. Have they followed up with that at all since then? I feel like that was a few months ago and I wasn't sure where I look to next to find out what his deal is. I've been reading someone's copies of X-Men Gold and Old Man Logan but those both have old wolvie still. Also regarding white people being hispanic icons, does that make Laura the new Morrissey? Spanish people are just white Europeans, so as long as she speaks Spanish that's enough of a link for Hispanics to like her, right?
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Dec 18, 2017 21:43
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Wolverine will be in a bunch of backup stories starting next month. http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/11/20/wolverine-marvel-post-credits-scenes/
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Dec 18, 2017 21:46
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Edmund Lava posted:I’m guessing she’s going to stop aging around mid twenties to early thirties like pretty much every comic book character, but with an excuse this time. Bobbi Moore kind of has a reason for that. And I guess Jubilee does too. The others can feel a bit weird sometimes. It feels like Kate Bishop could catch up with Clint in a few years.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:23
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Cabbit posted:See, I always felt the opposite was true. When mutants were a culture, rather than just an origin, it made the metaphor stronger for me. Now they don't really seem like an allegory for much of anything, these days. Same, really. I can't really put it into words why I like it, but mutants developing their own subculture was fascinating to me. House of M sucks for taking that away. Also, I think mutants getting depowered is what also started Beast into a path of being a badly-written character. davebo posted:The first new comic I've bought in over a decade was that Marvel Legacy one, where good old original Wolverine was suddenly back with no explanation. Have they followed up with that at all since then? I feel like that was a few months ago and I wasn't sure where I look to next to find out what his deal is. I know it's pretty much a long shot, but I still hope it's not OG Logan coming back but Howlett from X-Treme X-Men. Just have Howlett and Hercules adopt Laura and Gabby.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:57
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Laura doesn't need to be adopted she has her own apartment and poo poo already, and has basically already adopted Gabby.
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Skwirl posted:Laura doesn't need to be adopted she has her own apartment and poo poo already, and has basically already adopted Gabby. Everybody needs Herc and Howlett as their adoptive dads. Everybody.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:13
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Skwirl posted:Laura doesn't need to be adopted she has her own apartment and poo poo already, and has basically already adopted Gabby. Laura has her poo poo together better than like 99% of the Marvel Universe.
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Dec 19, 2017 04:03
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Cable repeatedly calling her X-23 in the most recent issue of his title made me so loving mad. It's like, dammit Nate, I know your book is rapidly declining in quality, particularly the art, but you will show proper respect to the best Wolverine that there ever was.
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Dec 19, 2017 05:26
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If she were so great she wouldn't have had to gank Logan's steez.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:49
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rantmo posted:Cable repeatedly calling her X-23 in the most recent issue of his title made me so loving mad. It's like, dammit Nate, I know your book is rapidly declining in quality, particularly the art, but you will show proper respect to the best Wolverine that there ever was. He's using mutants from the past, so she was going by X-23 at that point, hence the old costume. Also, Malin drew Armor with goat legs at one point during that issue, so bad is his ability to draw feet. Or anything.
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I took one look at that books art and it was a hard pass.
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