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~teach the controversy~ https://twitter.com/fox12oregon/status/940640114899931140
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anthonypants posted:~teach the controversy~ https://twitter.com/fox12oregon/status/940640114899931140 Has Taylor Swift never told you to kill?
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Dec 15, 2017 03:30
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bartkusa posted:What the gently caress, that's our ultimate Frisbee team name I apologize to all 16 fans, but the name works better for a hockey team.
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Dec 15, 2017 05:00
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An Amtrack Cascades train derailed onto I5 in Pierce county south of Tacoma. Fatalities are reported: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42401707
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Dec 18, 2017 18:33
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Chadderbox posted:An Amtrack Cascades train derailed onto I5 in Pierce county south of Tacoma. Fatalities are reported: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42401707
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Dec 18, 2017 18:59
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LNG terminal protest happening in Tacoma today too, looks like Alexander Ave is shut down.
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anthonypants posted:The mayor of Lakewood, Washington knew this was coming. http://komonews.com/news/local/lakewood-mayor-predicts-deadly-accidents-from-high-speed-train-service Wow, and it happened on the very first run. Someone's head is going to roll.
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Chadderbox posted:Wow, and it happened on the very first run. Someone's head is going to roll.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:19
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anthonypants posted:The mayor of Lakewood, Washington knew this was coming. http://komonews.com/news/local/lakewood-mayor-predicts-deadly-accidents-from-high-speed-train-service The mayor is talking about people being hit by trains, not derailments. He even recommends overpasses as an option to help keep pedestrians safe. What the gently caress were they thinking letting Amtrak run their trains even faster though? Seems like they deal with at least a minor derail every months.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:21
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Steve Jorbs posted:Probably the people in the derailed car. OMG too soon. Don't make me laugh at terrible things like that.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:26
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It's almost like we gently caress up our train infrastructure on loving purpose.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:41
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DrNutt posted:The mayor is talking about people being hit by trains, not derailments. He even recommends overpasses as an option to help keep pedestrians safe. They redid the tracks and tested for months with no problems, why don’t we wait for the NTSB reports instead of making things up like the local news?
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Dec 18, 2017 20:02
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Solkanar512 posted:They redid the tracks and tested for months with no problems, why don’t we wait for the NTSB reports instead of making things up like the local news? I'm not making poo poo up I'm paraphrasing what the mayor said in the article? The op of that article said that the mayor "predicted what happened" when it was clear he was talking about entirely different accidents. e: If you mean my second paragraph I'm not sure why you have an issue with that, their poo poo derails all the time. We have absolutely garbage train infrastructure in the United States.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:11
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DrNutt posted:I'm not making poo poo up I'm paraphrasing what the mayor said in the article? The op of that article said that the mayor "predicted what happened" when it was clear he was talking about entirely different accidents. It’s the second part. We don’t loving know anything and the main NTSB team isn’t even here so speculation is a really bad idea here. You’re making comments here like “what the gently caress were they thinking” and insinuating that there were design, engineering and other issues that caused this derail and you have no data to back that up. Wait for the NTSB and then react.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:23
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Solkanar512 posted:It’s the second part. We don’t loving know anything and the main NTSB team isn’t even here so speculation is a really bad idea here. Hey when the NTSB report comes out and says this was a freak accident that couldn't have been foreseen or avoided in any way, I'll be happy to eat some crow. However, in the mean time, I think I feel okay speculating that the company that can't keep even their slow trains from flying off the tracks on a regular basis, in a country with the worst rail infrastructure in the entire loving developed world, maybe shouldn't have been given the green light on this. Also, I live here and have ridden that particular train from Seattle to Portland and back at least twenty times, so pardon me for reacting.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:54
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DrNutt posted:Also, I live here and have ridden that particular train from Seattle to Portland and back at least twenty times, so pardon me for reacting.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:58
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anthonypants posted:I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Not much to say really, I used to take the train down frequently on weekends to visit a girlfriend. That route was slower but it was still better than dealing with I5 traffic. I was stuck on the train once for like 5 hours though due to mudslides, and frequently got delayed by the trains having to defer to freight traffic. Just recently my girlfriend's niece rode the Cascade up to visit us and had to go back to Portland via bus because another mudslide had hosed up the tracks again.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:04
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Hah was just planning a Seattle to Portland trip for work... I was definitely gonna take the train because it is so much better than dealing with i5 traffic but uhhh hmm. gently caress. I really wish our infrastructure was better. (overall, I realise this is a new track section but the north line gets hosed by mudslides all drat winter)
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Dec 18, 2017 21:35
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silicone thrills posted:Hah was just planning a Seattle to Portland trip for work... I was definitely gonna take the train because it is so much better than dealing with i5 traffic but uhhh hmm. gently caress. It's pretty likely that some of the fatalities were people driving on I-5 who had a train fall on them. Not safe there either.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:49
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silicone thrills posted:
This is America. Lower your expectations.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:50
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Chadderbox posted:It's pretty likely that some of the fatalities were people driving on I-5 who had a train fall on them. Not safe there either. Authorities have said repeatedly that everyone driving survived. However, there are two train cars that they’ve been unable to even enter.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:33
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Solkanar512 posted:Authorities have said repeatedly that everyone driving survived. However, there are two train cars that they’ve been unable to even enter. Over 500 people die every year in Washington in car accidents. A truck accident killed someone in Seattle this morning. Cars are not safer.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:49
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This is America, you are not entitled to "safety" or "care" or saying the word "entitlement".
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Dec 18, 2017 22:53
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DevNull posted:Over 500 people die every year in Washington in car accidents. A truck accident killed someone in Seattle this morning. Cars are not safer. Obviously cars aren't safer but it is a fact that our train infrastructure isn't optimal. We clearly could do much better. I prefer to take the train any time I possibly can and i'd like to be able to take it more because statistically it is a safer option and environmentally, I like to put my money where my mouth is an avoid driving single occupancy when ever possible but you can't ignore that reliability is a huge factor.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:04
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I'd still feel safer taking the train than driving, but only because cars are staggeringly dangerous.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:48
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http://knkx.org/post/amtrak-train-hurtles-overpass-wash-state-patrol-reports-three-fatalities This article from KNKX (formerly KPLU) says that the train was going about 81 mph when the derailment occurred, and that the maximum rated speed for that track was 79 mph.
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Dec 19, 2017 02:28
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DevNull posted:Over 500 people die every year in Washington in car accidents. A truck accident killed someone in Seattle this morning. Cars are not safer. What are you even talking about? No one driving on I5 was killed in this train derailment. That’s a known fact that was repeated by several different sources. Additionally was the fact that two train cars were unable to be entered by first responders, and likely contained additional fatalities. My response has nothing what so ever to do with automobile deaths in general. Why would you even make that loving connection? What are you even talking about?
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Dec 19, 2017 02:42
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DrNutt posted:http://knkx.org/post/amtrak-train-hurtles-overpass-wash-state-patrol-reports-three-fatalities Even worse was live footage showing a reduced speed sign for 30 mph just before that curve.
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Dec 19, 2017 02:46
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Solkanar512 posted:Even worse was live footage showing a reduced speed sign for 30 mph just before that curve. Do trains have anti-lock brakes?
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Solkanar512 posted:Even worse was live footage showing a reduced speed sign for 30 mph just before that curve. Is it really too much to expect people to be competent at what they do these days? I have seen far too much "operator error" and you know what? There is only so much stupidity you can engineer out. (If you're going to go down that road, you might as well make the whole train fully autonomous.)
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Dec 19, 2017 03:39
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How do you feel about self driving cars?
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Dec 19, 2017 03:55
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They've tried it a few times before. It always ends...poorly.
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Senor P. posted:So it sounds like driver "error" (negligence). I’d wait until the NTSB report comes out before passing judgement. We won’t be able to certify the speed until the black box is examined and there were also reports of obstructions on the tracks. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Solkanar512 posted:What are you even talking about? silicone thrills posted:Hah was just planning a Seattle to Portland trip for work... I was definitely gonna take the train because it is so much better than dealing with i5 traffic but uhhh hmm. gently caress. Chadderbox posted:It's pretty likely that some of the fatalities were people driving on I-5 who had a train fall on them. Not safe there either.
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silicone thrills posted:Hah was just planning a Seattle to Portland trip for work... I was definitely gonna take the train because it is so much better than dealing with i5 traffic but uhhh hmm. gently caress. Yeah when I went on a trip to Vancouver for Spring Break... (I was trying to be clever because none of us could afford to fly anywhere and we could drink in Canada) and we had to take the bus from Seattle to Bellingham because of landslides.
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Dec 19, 2017 12:03
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I can certainly be irritated when people put words in my mouth.
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Solkanar512 posted:I can certainly be irritated when people put words in my mouth. DevNull posted:Over 500 people die every year in Washington in car accidents. A truck accident killed someone in Seattle this morning. Cars are not safer.
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Dec 19, 2017 17:11
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twodot posted:Who put words in your mouth? The poster you quoted was also just stating technical facts: He’s doubling down instead of apologizing!
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Dec 19, 2017 17:13
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twodot posted:I realize this gets a little deep, but you jumped into a conversation you didn't start. This person was saying they were concerned about taking the train because of this event: I speculated about freeway driver deaths before the reporting started saying that it hadn't happened. My bad. Spergin Morlock fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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The city that works. https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2017/12/20/19558822/a-new-fee-meant-to-spruce-up-city-streets-has-property-owners-enraged quote:The only disasters that had befallen Willford’s dilapidated home were moisture and the march of time, but officials at PBOT thought they might have a way to change that. If city firefighters were to burn her house down as part of a training exercise, they believed, Willford could be let off the hook under the disaster clause.
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