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Star Wars has always, always been anti-fascist, including when it’s anti-Jedi.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:13
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Gonz posted:a huge danceoff on the set of that late 90's Puff Daddy music video. I really want the behind the scenes video of the inspiration for that set design.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:21
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Baron Porkface posted:I really want the behind the scenes video of the inspiration for that set design. My girlfriend compared it to the sets on MGM musicals.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:23
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Baron Porkface posted:I really want the behind the scenes video of the inspiration for that set design. It’s a loving gorgeous set. Beautiful work there. I can’t wait to see it on blu or even 4K.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:24
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GoldfishStew posted:If you don’t support feminism you support the patriarchy which is fascism which Star Wars tries to take down. So, I guess you don’t like Star Wars. life is all about edging you're looking for the edge you need on your comcast plan to make you better at pubg you're looking for the next big cryptocurrency to blow that smug alpha gently caress in the cubicle next to you out of the water you're looking for the edge to make you last longer you're looking for the edge to dominate the other half of humanity the patriarchy gave me that edge star wars gave me that edge
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Dec 19, 2017 06:25
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Vintersorg posted:It’s a loving gorgeous set. Beautiful work there. I can’t wait to see it on blu or even 4K. Even Snoke's space camera looks like and enchanted crystal ball.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:26
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Baron Porkface posted:Even Snoke's space camera looks like and enchanted crystal ball. It sorta reminded me of a smaller version of the screen Nute Gunray uses to talk to Padme. 
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Dec 19, 2017 06:31
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:What people are failing at is the necessary step back where we say “what good is the Resistance? What do they stand for?” I'm at a loss with this one. Seemingly they are struggling just to survive, which doesn't explain why the leadership of the first order is so obsessed with eradicating them. What's the actual conflict here? Who even cares about Luke?
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Dec 19, 2017 06:36
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Also how the heck is Darth Vader remembered as the most hated man in the galaxy.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:37
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Sinding Johansson posted:I'm at a loss with this one. Seemingly they are struggling just to survive, which doesn't explain why the leadership of the first order is so obsessed with eradicating them. What's the actual conflict here? Who even cares about Luke? Snoke (and Kylo) care about Luke. Hux doesn't.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:41
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Yeah but why even? Luke was a hermit who when motivated to act accomplished nothing.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:46
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Sinding Johansson posted:Yeah but why even? Luke was a hermit who when motivated to act accomplished nothing. Did you miss the scene where the Sudanese slave jockeys immediately recognize the rebel symbol and make their own Luke Skywalker action figure?
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Dec 19, 2017 06:48
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Sinding Johansson posted:I'm at a loss with this one. Seemingly they are struggling just to survive, which doesn't explain why the leadership of the first order is so obsessed with eradicating them. What's the actual conflict here? Who even cares about Luke? Snoke/Kylo wants to prevail where Palpatine/Vader failed. It's a vanity thing, and crushing the resistance/rebels could give them legitimacy as the true heirs of the Empire to subjugate whatever other Emipre splinters/neutral planet-states exist in the galaxy.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:48
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Baron Porkface posted:Did you miss the scene where the Sudanese slave jockeys immediately recognize the rebel symbol and make their own Luke Skywalker action figure? So instead of kids playing with storm trooper dolls they play with luke skywalker dolls, and this is threatening to the financiers of the first order - doll manufacturers?
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Dec 19, 2017 06:54
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:He is a Gloating Space Emperor with Wizard Powers. But the Palpatine in the Clone War series was awesome. So it's not that delving into the Space Emperor's origins is boring, it's that George Lucas as a director was bad at it.
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Dec 19, 2017 07:22
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Spacebump posted:Why did Luke project himself with the blue light saber instead of the green one? It’s part of the dark subtext with Rey keeping the Jedi books, and the kids psyching themselves up to be Jedis with Star Wars toys. Luke’s inspirational vision wields the sword of the naive teen Luke and of the fascist Anakin.
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Dec 19, 2017 07:55
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the jedi books are just a toy catalog
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Dec 19, 2017 08:03
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I thought the codebreaker subplot was pretty half baked. I didn't care that he sold them out without any redemption, that seemed fine. But he's in and out of the movie in less time than Phasma was in the first movie. Also he's introduced in such a bizarre way. Firstly you have Maz Kanata delivering the most badly disguised bit of exposition in the whole movie with the implication that she's having a badass firefight that's of no consequence to the main plot while delivering the protagonists a reason to go to the next location. It was almost distracting how choreographed that hologram was including the camerawork which looked like another character was supposed to be the one filming. When they finally get to the casino and find the guy matching the description, he's only there to deliver some incidental dialog and then never seen again. Then we're introduced to Benicio Del Toro's character, who I'm expecting for there to be some kind of "this guy is the real deal" reveal. But that never comes, I figured like a "oh he's got like an actual ratty red flower lapel instead of the ruby encrusted one we saw that phony with" scene was in order. He does end up betraying them which doesn't really match Maz's description as someone she'd trust with anything, but the real master codebreaker seems to match her description even less. A dude in a white tuxedo who hangs out with junker bar owners and is a master hacker in his spare time when he's not a millionaire playboy gambler? Other than that I enjoyed the movie, I liked yoda.
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Dec 19, 2017 08:15
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A hundred pages of argument here about whether Holdo should have told them the plan, and no-one talking about how Luke didn't tell them his plan before he went out to meet Kylo. What if they'd all just waited around to see what he was going to do instead of deciding he meant them to escape? Would it have been so hard for him to say "get out while I create a distraction"?
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Dec 19, 2017 08:22
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GoldfishStew posted:Star Wars has always, always been anti-fascist, including when it’s anti-Jedi. Star Wars has always treated peace as an aberration and endless war the natural state of humanity. In the Last Jedi, victory over the Empire is erased as if it never happened, the only industry is war, and the only hope is that falsified legends will inspire the next generation to join the mindless slaughter. It is entirely consistent with fascist ideology and its art. Long Live Death!
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Dec 19, 2017 08:27
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Nition posted:A hundred pages of argument here about whether Holdo should have told them the plan, and no-one talking about how Luke didn't tell them his plan before he went out to meet Kylo. What if they'd all just waited around to see what he was going to do instead of deciding he meant them to escape? Would it have been so hard for him to say "get out while I create a distraction"? Short answer: because it would have undercut the drama of the scene for Luke to tell the team to huddle up and say "okay I'm going to go out there and gently caress around with Kylo Ren and piss him off so much he doesn't notice you guys fleeing out the back door! Now BREAK!"
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Dec 19, 2017 09:04
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Linguica posted:Long answer: Leia immediately knew that Luke was not really "there," and so Luke knew that Leia would come to the conclusion that he was there to distract Ben, and the only reason to do that would be to give the rest of them time to do something else (i.e. escape). Poe came to the same conclusion, which is why Leia is so quick to go along with it and tell everyone to follow him. Yeah. I mean, the real reason was totally that it added a bit of suspense to the film. I think the real problem for me was that the film seemed to be full of things like that, where events were always unrealistically contrived just to make sure everything moved forward in exactly the right way. Like they'd planned the key scenes they wanted and only after that tried to stitch everything together.
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Dec 19, 2017 09:34
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Sinding Johansson posted:So instead of kids playing with storm trooper dolls they play with luke skywalker dolls, and this is threatening to the financiers of the first order - doll manufacturers? At least they're playing with Jedi dolls and not real dolls! 
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Dec 19, 2017 09:37
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SeANMcBAY posted:After sitting on it for a few days, I think I love it. I still had some issues like it was too long but I think it was what Star Wars needed. I just hope JJ doesn’t gently caress up Episode 9. I think it's the Goemon64/MGS4 of Star Wars films, if I may throw in my two cents, or big gold Japanese coin thing from Goemon. It has crowd pleasing stuff like piloting Metal Gear Rex and it's fast paced while loaded with stuff it needs to cover, and it has the charm and humor of an anime ninja. Has it's flaws, but is a good one overall in my book.
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Dec 19, 2017 10:09
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Baron Porkface posted:She had the right to withold information but it was still inadequate leadership for the situation. You.....sexist......motherfucker
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Dec 19, 2017 10:14
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Why didn't they make a droid run the ship into Snokes ship? Isn't that what droids are good for.
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Dec 19, 2017 10:14
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What anime did Rian crib the visual language of the suicide jump from? It's so reminiscent of something I've seen before but I can't put my finger on it. When I saw it I thought it was excellent, but I had and still have the biggest sense of deja vu re: the light branching out and three different angles in a silent second
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Dec 19, 2017 10:15
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Sinding Johansson posted:So instead of kids playing with storm trooper dolls they play with luke skywalker dolls, and this is threatening to the financiers of the first order - doll manufacturers? Those holograms on the ship they stole were 1:1 scale. Penpal posted:What anime did Rian crib the visual language of the suicide jump from? It's so reminiscent of something I've seen before but I can't put my finger on it. When I saw it I thought it was excellent, but I had and still have the biggest sense of deja vu re: the light branching out and three different angles in a silent second I'm sure I've seen that "branching blast" somewhere before too, but my mind just goes to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m83JcNoNQ-4&t=197s
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Dec 19, 2017 10:18
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Probably not this one, but I'd like to share it just the same because it was pretty badass: In Legend of Galactic Heroes (1988), there's a breakaway republic that's been at war with the empire for a long time. A faction in the republic has taken over their capital planet in a coup. The republic's fleet is returning to retake the capital planet, but the planet is surrounded by 12 miniature Death Star satellites that are covered in Terminator 2 liquid metal. The admiral's plan is to park several light years away, take a bunch of ice asteroids and fit them with Bussard ramjets and fire them towards the satellites, counting on relativity to increase their mass. By the time they strike, they're "approaching the speed of light" Skip to 8:45 if it doesn't automatically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE8s-KflfW8&t=525s Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Dec 19, 2017 10:28
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Dork457 posted:but the real master codebreaker seems to match her description even less. A dude in a white tuxedo who hangs out with junker bar owners and is a master hacker in his spare time when he's not a millionaire playboy gambler? The implication of her description is that that guy fucks, which matches up with how he acts and who he's played by. So there you go, he hosed that anime.
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Dec 19, 2017 10:42
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Why did Maz even need to be in the film? She was good in TFA because she added to the 'legend' of Han Solo - he has been all over the galaxy and seen a lot of poo poo, and make a few friends (but even more enemies) along the way. She didn't need to bring her back. It would've been better if Poe or someone else in the Resistance was just like "I know a guy *wink*", and it was just attributed to the resourcefulness of the Rebellion to get things done.
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Dec 19, 2017 11:14
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Because she's gonna be the one who lifts the exposition weight in episode 9 after they shuffle Leia out of the story, and they needed to give her some screen time.
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Dec 19, 2017 11:20
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ImpAtom posted:By watching the film? So the destruction of Starkiller Base, an event of galaxy-wide implications, is not enough to rally support to the Resistance cause...but Luke Skywalker showing up on a deserted planet, delaying the First Order attack by 5 or 10 minutes so the rebels can run away some more (something they had been doing all movie), an event witnessed by almost nobody, then dying (an event witnessed by nobody)...we're supposed to believe that is what turns the galaxy around to the Resistance cause? Sure.
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Dec 19, 2017 11:39
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DentArthurDent posted:we're supposed to believe that is what turns the galaxy around to the Resistance cause? Showing a kid playing Star Wars with his toys does not equal "turning the galaxy to the Resistance cause".
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Dec 19, 2017 11:41
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Angry Salami posted:Star Wars has always treated peace as an aberration and endless war the natural state of humanity. In the Last Jedi, victory over the Empire is erased as if it never happened, the only industry is war, and the only hope is that falsified legends will inspire the next generation to join the mindless slaughter. It is entirely consistent with fascist ideology and its art. The Republic was 1000 years at peace (granted, maybe one like the peace the early Roman Empire was in, in that the wars very so minor to not disturb the Empire itself more than locally). So much it did neither have a standing army nor a big navy and relied on local militia for the most part.
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Dec 19, 2017 11:49
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Showing a kid playing Star Wars with his toys does not equal "turning the galaxy to the Resistance cause". That was exactly my point. The movie tries to end on a positive note, with the music swelling and a boy posing with his toy lightsabre, as if the Resistance will rise again. But the Resistance allies have already turned their back on them, and there is nothing in the movie to make it realistic that will change in episode nine. They have lost all their ships, they have lost almost all their personnel, and Luke's actions on this deserted planet hardly seem like the the event that will turn things around. DentArthurDent fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Dec 19, 2017 12:09
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DentArthurDent posted:That was exactly my point. The movie tries to end on a positive note, with the music swelling and a boy posing with his toy lightsabre, as if the Resistance will rise again. But the Resistance allies have already turned their back on them, and there is nothing in the movie to make it realistic that will change in episode nine. They have lost all their ships, they have lost almost all their personnel, and Luke's actions on this deserted planet hardly seem like the the event that will turn things around. The Empire Strikes Back ends with Luke despondent and crippled, Han Solo apparently dead and the Empire resurgent. And that turned out okay in the end (well, for a bit).
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Dec 19, 2017 12:16
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Wasn't there a thing like a week before the movie came out about how there was going to be a new lightsaber colour, what happened with that. Also I liked it when Luke said "laser sword"
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Dec 19, 2017 12:54
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DentArthurDent posted:That was exactly my point. The movie tries to end on a positive note, with the music swelling and a boy posing with his toy lightsabre, as if the Resistance will rise again. But the Resistance allies have already turned their back on them, and there is nothing in the movie to make it realistic that will change in episode nine. They have lost all their ships, they have lost almost all their personnel, and Luke's actions on this deserted planet hardly seem like the the event that will turn things around. The hopeful upbeat part from the end is that luke, or even Rey, won't be the last jedi. Even if the bads win. Its not turning it around for the resistance in the here and now (we have our bioware rally the allies plot in the next movie for that) - it's a big meta message of hope for the audience. quote="The Big Word" post="479481599"] Wasn't there a thing like a week before the movie came out about how there was going to be a new lightsaber colour, what happened with that. Also I liked it when Luke said "laser sword" [/quote] Yeah it's brown and has splinters
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Dec 19, 2017 12:56
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GoldfishStew posted:Star Wars has always, always been anti-fascist, including when it’s anti-Jedi.
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