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hobbesmaster posted:I thought you could only sink $19k/year into a 401k Unless you’re over 55? in which case you can contribute more. I’m going to get turbo hosed since I live in NJ and with the changes to the SALT deductions and other awesome changes I’ll probably have an increase of around 10k/year. Edit: gently caress me this thread moves fast. Seekhay fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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I pay both NYS and NYC income taxes and property taxes. My federal tax bill is going to skyrocket.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:19
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Smiling Jack posted:I pay both NYS and NYC income taxes and property taxes. At least I no longer have to pay NYC income tax 
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Dec 19, 2017 23:20
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Seekhay posted:Unless you’re over 55? in which case you can contribute more. If he made 60, 1/3 would go to taxes, so half of 40. Using rough averages he's pretty close that way. A healthy single person should hopefully be able to live without too much trouble under 2k/month for a year. Something like that, I'm not doing the actual math.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:21
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My wife is in grad school so I have literally no idea until this thing passes. If it’s retroactive I’m looking at a massive tax increase that we haven’t withheld for if that provision makes it back in. Tuition for grad school is quite high because nobody is supposed to pay it... Supposedly that provision is out but if they need to sneak in more revenue on paper then it could show back up.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:21
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Seekhay posted:Unless you’re over 55? in which case you can contribute more. Ol dude said it was so he could retire at 35. Living in his Appalachian Winters Bone shack to live the rest of his days on only 30k a year.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:22
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Sunset posted:Christ/Jesus would be in public schools trying to clean that mess up, not in expensive private schools. This is Republican Jesus we're talking about. Real Jesus died 2000 years ago. e: lol I just realized that West Virginia has a higher state income tax than most other states. What few middle class people are left there are going to get hosed, there in the most MAGAful of states. psydude fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Dec 19, 2017 23:33
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hobbesmaster posted:My wife is in grad school so I have literally no idea until this thing passes. If it’s retroactive I’m looking at a massive tax increase that we haven’t withheld for if that provision makes it back in. Tuition for grad school is quite high because nobody is supposed to pay it... You can apply taxes retroactively?
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Dec 19, 2017 23:38
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boop the snoot posted:You can apply taxes retroactively? I thought the bill applied to CY18, but maybe they're trying to do something hilariously terrible like make it apply to this year so everyone gets a sweet
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Dec 19, 2017 23:39
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psydude posted:I thought the bill applied to CY18, but maybe they're trying to do something hilariously terrible like make it apply to this year so everyone gets a sweet I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s what they are trying to do.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:45
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I skipped the last few pages cos of all the bullshit and whitenoise, but did the Saudi palace get hit or nah?
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Dec 19, 2017 23:48
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Not that they deserve credit for intelligence but somehow passing a major tax revision on the cusp of 2018 that applied to 2017 would likely cost major corporations a lot of money so I doubt they're trying to pull that. I imagine they wouldn't be able to realize a lot of tax cuts without properly shuffling their money around at the start of the year.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:I skipped the last few pages cos of all the bullshit and whitenoise, but did the Saudi palace get hit or nah? I read that at least one was released. edit: read palace as prince PookBear fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:I skipped the last few pages cos of all the bullshit and whitenoise, but did the Saudi palace get hit or nah? Nope, missile intercepted* *May have not been intercepted, but missed and hit nothing like the last one
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bengy81 posted:I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s what they are trying to do. That’s what I thought too but it could’ve just been alarmism.
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facialimpediment posted:Nope, missile intercepted* At this point, have Patriots ever intercepted a single thing? Verifiably?
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Dec 20, 2017 00:06
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Anta posted:At this point, have Patriots ever intercepted a single thing? Verifiably? They shot down a Syrian AF SU-24 Also lol at the underinflated footballs
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Anta posted:At this point, have Patriots ever intercepted a single thing? Verifiably? Just a bunch of under-inflated footballs.
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Anta posted:At this point, have Patriots ever intercepted a single thing? Verifiably? Pretty sure they're really good at shooting down Apaches and Blackhawks.
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Dec 20, 2017 00:12
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Dead Reckoning posted:How do you suggest we square that circle? I'm having a lot of discussions with friends and family about this. What does responsible consumption look like for someone who calls themselves a humanist? A Christian? I understand we live in a world where both resources and life is finite. What I would like to see is a minimum level of care offered to a person guaranteed, and raised substantially from "anonymous emergency room visit". I do think everyone "deserves" that as a basic right. "Deserves" was a lovely term so I apologize. I have not seen evidence that such minimum care would be unaffordable for the US through a combination of tax structure and reduction in costs. When a scarcity limit is reached, I honestly don't know. Is it better to die waiting in queue for a specialist, or is it preferable to be shut out of care due to raw cost/lack of insurance? What I'd really like to see solved is the little poo poo like making sure people get access to a $20 antibiotic scrip, or have the glasses they need to work/drive, or get addiction treatment. Not everyone is gonna get the six-figure stem-cell cancer treatment unless they can pay up, fine, I get that. People are gonna say "death panels" but go read the healthcare thread if you want to hear stories of medical personnel forced by family to beat Grandma to a bloody pulp doing a full code even though she's been on death's doorstep for days. Being realistic about the situation of a dying loved one is ridiculously hard and I don't know how you solve that without sounding like an authoritarian rear end in a top hat.
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The Iron Rose posted:"B-but my team wouldn't do that!" I don't know what you're getting at but US conservatives adore Putin and have for a long time before Donny's amphetamine addled brain concocted by some miracle the great election caper.
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Dec 20, 2017 00:23
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ManMythLegend posted:Pretty sure they're really good at shooting down Apaches and Blackhawks. Really though, Apaches and Blackhawks are pretty good at shooting themselves down. The natural state of a helicopter is a smoldering husk dug into the ground at an odd angle. Current event: https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/943153955395260416
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Dec 20, 2017 00:24
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egyptian rat race posted:I'm having a lot of discussions with friends and family about this. What does responsible consumption look like for someone who calls themselves a humanist? A Christian? the problem with wealth is that its being leveraged to an extreme degree in politics, and about the only way to fix that is through more tax brackets. Having the highest tax bracket cap out at under 40% for under a million dollars is dumb as hell. The highest tax bracket should be 100kk+ not 400k+
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Dec 20, 2017 00:40
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I'm kind of inherently skeptical of scarcity arguments given that people like Orrin Hatch say poo poo like this:quote:But let me tell you something. We're going to do CHIP, there's no question about it in my mind. It has to be done the right way. But we—the reason CHIP is having trouble is because we don't have money anymore. We just add more and more spending and more and more spending, and you can look at the rest of the bill for the more and more spending. while voting to massively cut revenue and move money outside the country. Scarcity is a tangible concept but it can also be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's easy to point to countries with healthcare systems that, while not perfect, do manage to take good care of their citizens in a sustainable manner.
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That's the worst Seventh Seal erotic fanart I've ever seen
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:the problem with wealth is that its being leveraged to an extreme degree in politics, and about the only way to fix that is through more tax brackets. Having the highest tax bracket cap out at under 40% for under a million dollars is dumb as hell. The highest tax bracket should be 100kk+ not 400k+ 100k for a household really isn’t that much, but otherwise, I agree. The way I see it- taxes are the price of admission to civilization. Remember how all the conservative pundits freaked out during Obama’s “you didn’t build that” speech? Anyone with a working thinker would have interpreted that as “if you are successful, it’s because you used your individual talent to leverage the things developed by other innovators and supported by government as something that benefits everyone.” But nah, that’s socialism and bad because we’re all self-made millionaires, but some of us are just waiting for the check to clear, any day now.
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I HAVE GOOD AIDS posted:100k for a household really isn’t that much, but otherwise, I agree. The way I see it- taxes are the price of admission to civilization. Remember how all the conservative pundits freaked out during Obama’s “you didn’t build that” speech? Anyone with a working thinker would have interpreted that as “if you are successful, it’s because you used your individual talent to leverage the things developed by other innovators and supported by government as something that benefits everyone.” But nah, that’s socialism and bad because we’re all self-made millionaires, but some of us are just waiting for the check to clear, any day now. 100kk is 100 million edit: that might just be slav shorthand
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Smiling Jack posted:I pay both NYS and NYC income taxes and property taxes. Same, I need to do the math and may move upstate or something.
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I'm sitting here reading this article about the GotV effort for black voters in Alabama and I'm thinking, why hasn't anyone come up with a ride sharing app for people to request a ride to the polls on election day?
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:the problem with wealth is that its being leveraged to an extreme degree in politics, and about the only way to fix that is through more tax brackets. Having the highest tax bracket cap out at under 40% for under a million dollars is dumb as hell. The highest tax bracket should be 100kk+ not 400k+ The argument against high taxes on rich people I always hear is that it would discourage people from working hard to make more money. What is a good counter-argument?
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SimonCat posted:The argument against high taxes on rich people I always hear is that it would discourage people from working hard to make more money. The counter argument is that nobody is going to turn down additional money. It's still money.
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SimonCat posted:The argument against high taxes on rich people I always hear is that it would discourage people from working hard to make more money. The rich don't make their money by working, they get it through investing. Also Warren Buffet tier rich are all autists except instead of getting into WoW and sperging over damage parsers, they like watching numbers in their net worth go up. They're not going to stop wanting their numbers go up simply because they go up slower.
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We all have that guy who's too goddamn stupid to understand how tax brackets work complaining about losing money when working overtime but still working the overtime anyway. Rational actor theory is a joke. E: quote:The rich don't make their money by working, they get it through investing. Also Warren Buffet tier rich are all autists except instead of getting into WoW and sperging over damage parsers, they like watching numbers in their net worth go up. They're not going to stop wanting their numbers go up simply because they go up slower. This is a really good analogy right up to and including the point where they act like petulant shitlords and coerce the mods to give them more stat-multiplier gear at any price. shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 01:13
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SimonCat posted:The argument against high taxes on rich people I always hear is that it would discourage people from working hard to make more money. For one asking them if they know how tax brackets work.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:For one asking them if they know how tax brackets work. Of course they do. That knowledge is invariably wrong but good luck convincing them without a pipe wrench.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:For one asking them if they know how tax brackets work. Taxes are hard and brackets are hard and the GOP promised to simplify taxes
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Dec 20, 2017 01:25
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Anta posted:At this point, have Patriots ever intercepted a single thing? Verifiably? 9 out of 9 Missile intercepts in OIF. So yeah. Foreign operated patriot using legacy interceptors? That’s a different story.
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Dec 20, 2017 01:26
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Anta posted:At this point, have Patriots ever intercepted a single thing? Verifiably? An F-18. Edit: I made this joke because I knew you'd already posted the serious answer.
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psydude posted:I'm sitting here reading this article about the GotV effort for black voters in Alabama and I'm thinking, why hasn't anyone come up with a ride sharing app for people to request a ride to the polls on election day? It's a big technical/social problem. Technical: Only works for one day. If it goes down that day, you're hosed. That day just so happens to be when it gets the most traffic. Very little ways to test it and make sure it functions. Gotta get it past the App Store / Apple store. Have to have a technical person to build the app that's worth a poo poo. Social: People that need a ride might not have smartphones. The people would have to sign up far in advance. Then people would have to remember they have the app! What if a driver fucks up and says he has 6 seats instead of 2? What if the other side signs up fake drivers? Campaigns tend to handle most of this kind of thing with old-school phones and databases at the campaign offices to mitigate a lot of those problems. Wouldn't shock me if a lot becomes app-driven in 2020 though.
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