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Al Borland Corp. posted:I saw someone saying the porgs were actually puffins that they digitally costumed rather than doing anything to interfere with them on set. There's no shot where this makes sense. They aren't profligate in the background.
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Huh, I just looked it up and apparently Rian is on record saying exactly that. I guess I was wrong! Porg/puffin supremacy! EDIT: Which isn't to say that all the porgs are replaced puffins, just some of them.
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business hammocks posted:Legit can't tell if you're mentioning something that happened in a novel or a comic book or doing a joke. I quoted some excerpts earlier in the thread, it's fantastic. Tender Bender posted:At that very moment a large Imperial spaceship was orbiting the planet Tatooine. It was the Moffship, the official space vehicle of the Imperial grand moffs-the Imperial governors of the outer regions of space. Tender Bender posted:Leia was overcome with surprise as a woman stepped out from behind a metal barrier. The woman was a lifelike duplicate of Leia-an almost-identical-looking twin!
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Dec 23, 2017 02:01
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Oh god, luke wanted to gently caress the Leia-bot
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teagone posted:I'm going to watch The Last Jedi again later today. I don't think I'll ever get tired of the throne room brawl. Love the bit when the camera focuses in on Rey grabbing her lightsaber with the force after Snoke is cut in half, and then she and Ben exchange looks before taking on the guards. So good.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I had a lot of problems with the film but this was the best scene Yup, agreed. It definitely is my personal favorite bit from the film; tops even Luke's ascension into a legend of mythic proportions for me. The entire sequence is just so cinematically perfect entertainment. The drama, the suspense leading up to Snoke's betrayal, the adrenaline rush when, for a moment, you see the good in Ben just as Rey does — the music owns here too, and definitely helps sell you on this notion of "what if Ben is a good guy now" and "holy poo poo this is happening" perfectly. You can really just feel the weight of what had just happened and what it means to both Ben and Rey at that moment before they join forces. Love it. Then the bit just blows the door open to cinematic badassery when Rey and Ben go back to back. Not to mention the action and choreography during the brawl is the best in the entire saga so far imo. So good. About to go see it again in a bit 
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so is rian a gundam fan because rey and kylo interacting across vast distances and achieving a kind of understanding in each other that they'd never be able to do if they were just physically in the same space gave me hella newtype vibes, even for force stuff and i love me some newtype bullshit e: oh duh there's also some emphasis on like, how the past generation and the new generation deal with each other; although TLJ's 'it's okay to fail' and 'we're there to be eventually surpassed by them' is a lot more forgiving than the early tomino view of the near inevitability of older generations exploiting the young and perverting their near-infinite potential to be more than the past Brother Entropy fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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Dec 23, 2017 03:49
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So who the hell is the villain now? Can't be Hux, dude is a punching bag/caricature. Phasma, even if brought back, has no real massive, foreboding presence. Kylo might be the obvious answer, yet he is the one who explicitly stated that he wants to end this cycle of violence, the forever war between Empire/First Order and Rebellion/Resistance, to stop making the war profiteers of Canto Bight wealthy, and to bring the galaxy to peace. He only turns and seeks extinction after Rey rebuffs him, vowing to continue the war to the last person if need be. It seems odd to vilify the guy who, at his ascendancy of the First Order, was willing to give it up.
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PostNouveau posted:Watched TLJ again. Still rules. Much less jokey than I remembered. The last movie ends with her on Luke’s planet. We don’t really know how long she’s been there relative to any events she’s not there for in this movie. The timelines would only have to match if she’s in scenes with other characters. It’s not like Empire Strikes Back where you know the two stories have to take place along a similar timeline. Also movies sacrifice time to compress poo poo for narrative all the time. Does anybody ever go to bed in Star Wars?
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ManifunkDestiny posted:So who the hell is the villain now? Can't be Hux, dude is a punching bag/caricature. Phasma, even if brought back, has no real massive, foreboding presence. Kylo might be the obvious answer, yet he is the one who explicitly stated that he wants to end this cycle of violence, the forever war between Empire/First Order and Rebellion/Resistance, to stop making the war profiteers of Canto Bight wealthy, and to bring the galaxy to peace. He only turns and seeks extinction after Rey rebuffs him, vowing to continue the war to the last person if need be. It seems odd to vilify the guy who, at his ascendancy of the First Order, was willing to give it up. It's still Kylo. He just wanted the power for himself, and did not want to have to answer to Snoke. It's basically what would have happened if Vader had succeeded in his original plan to usurp the Emperor (granted, with Luke's help) and take over the Empire. He claims he wants to destroy everything, but as far as I can tell that's a lie. He immediately takes over the First Order once Hux finds him. I really hope to God they don't bring Phasma back again. Her appearance in this film was a joke. At least in TFA she had a story purpose at the beginning.
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FlamingLiberal posted:
What's wrong with jokes?
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business hammocks posted:Does anybody ever go to bed in Star Wars? Yes, Rey sleeps on the bench outside Luke's hut.
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PostNouveau posted:Yes, Rey sleeps on the bench outside Luke's hut. Padme’s seen in bed a few times, and Anakin has nightmares at night. Twice!
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Dec 23, 2017 04:13
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Plagueis went to sleep! It...didn't end well.
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Threepio voluntarily asks to be shut down for a while in ANH, that's sleep for droids innit? Jyn Erso tries to sleep in her prison cell in Rogue One but the alien she shares her cell with snores too loud.
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I don't even know why you ask when we've already got the definitive source http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sleep/Legends
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Can't find the video anymore, but apparently Mark Hamill really did say #notmyluke in an interview.quote:“Luke would never say that, I’m talking about the George Lucas Star Wars. This is the next generation of Star Wars. I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he’s Jake Skywalker, he’s not my Luke Skywalker.” PostNouveau posted:I don't even know why you ask when we've already got the definitive source
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An actor saying that the character they portrayed isn't how they had previously been imagining them is, of course, a rather different sentiment than fans trying to assert ownership of the character.
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It's interesting that Hamill liked the prequels and even as Luke Skywalker god of nerds has to pre-apologize in interviews for liking them, that's how toxic those movies have somehow become. Movies that at the time reviewed decently and were mostly well received!
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Hahaha, AMC had to put this notice up because of Holdo's last scene.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:It's interesting that Hamill liked the prequels and even as Luke Skywalker god of nerds has to pre-apologize in interviews for liking them, that's how toxic those movies have somehow become. I worked on my high-school newspaper, and the girl assigned to do the Episode I review the month it came out definitely wrote that it was plotted badly and boring to sit through, and that Samuel L Jackson was wasted in a role where he didn’t curse or do any violence. The journalism teacher told her to make it more positive before she would run it.
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business hammocks posted:I worked on my high-school newspaper, and the girl assigned to do the Episode I review the month it came out definitely wrote that it was plotted badly and boring to sit through, and that Samuel L Jackson was wasted in a role where he didn’t curse or do any violence. The journalism teacher told her to make it more positive before she would run it. now that's some effective journalism teaching
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FlamingLiberal posted:
The Emperor also claimed to want peace and look how that turned out.
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The MSJ posted:Hahaha, AMC had to put this notice up because of Holdo's last scene. unreal
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The MSJ posted:Hahaha, AMC had to put this notice up because of Holdo's last scene. People are dumn lmao. What else is new?
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Brother Entropy posted:so is rian a gundam fan because rey and kylo interacting across vast distances and achieving a kind of understanding in each other that they'd never be able to do if they were just physically in the same space gave me hella newtype vibes, even for force stuff 
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ah gently caress, i overlooked the most obvious anime identifier: wild colored hair we did it folks, we figured out why some people are hating tlj: they haven't embraced anime into their hearts yet
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Brother Entropy posted:ah gently caress, i overlooked the most obvious anime identifier: wild colored hair anime also has a lot of dark holes of temptation
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Bongo Bill posted:now that's some effective journalism teaching That girl is now on the tenure track at a well-regarded public university, and my high school was later closed down and bulldozed due to all the young people in our home town moving away and nobody new moving in. Draw your own conclusions.
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On a second viewing, Snoke being a bit underdeveloped really does feel more like a TFA problem than one with this movie. There they made him seem mysterious and unexplained, possibly as a fear of overexposition. (One of the more valid lines of criticism of the prequels is that they do take their time a bit more and have more exposition and scenes of spaceships landing and things that give them a slower pace.) If the opening crawl or a couple of extra scenes could have just said "He's a charismatic cult leader who has some force powers and enough money to buy a bunch of spaceships" then it would be more obvious that he's not the most important antagonist in the story. As it is you have the hologram making him look gigantic and kinda shadowy and there's a sense that there is some mystery here, but TLJ makes it clear that he's a paper tiger- oddly an inversion of The Phantom Menace, where it's the killer badass Sith who's the illusion and the reality is the old politician behind the scenes. Also generally I feel more solidly that it's a movie that works really well, the main problem is the final act is as drawn out as it is, which is a thing in modern blockbusters.
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Serf posted:My dad got me into Star Wars and I read a lot of comics and novels about the universe in the 90s and I remember mentioning how cool Boba Fett was to him once and he was like "really? why?" and it made me realize that all the cool stuff about Boba Fett is in the comics and novels. In the movies he just looks cool and has a neat voice, is bad at his job and dies in a hilarious mishap. He sounds like any other kiwi to me
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Maxwell Lord posted:On a second viewing, Snoke being a bit underdeveloped really does feel more like a TFA problem than one with this movie. There they made him seem mysterious and unexplained, possibly as a fear of overexposition. (One of the more valid lines of criticism of the prequels is that they do take their time a bit more and have more exposition and scenes of spaceships landing and things that give them a slower pace.) If the opening crawl or a couple of extra scenes could have just said "He's a charismatic cult leader who has some force powers and enough money to buy a bunch of spaceships" then it would be more obvious that he's not the most important antagonist in the story. I do agree with what you're saying, but I also feel like there isn't anything wrong with a movie flipping expectations. Some people seem to take it as a personal affront, describing the movie as "mean" or flipping them off for being wrong. That reaction is kind of weird and telling.
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lord save me from stories that give me everything i want + expect and not a drat thing more one of the best things a storyteller can do is give me what i didn't even know i wanted
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The popular hate that the Prequels generated helped shape the current state of Star Wars post Disney buy out. So maybe people who watch Star Wars are conditioned to believe that if they're loud enough and angry enough about a Star War thing, they can change the future of the franchise? It kinda helped gently caress with EA over Battlefront 2 and that bullshit. I suppose it's only natural for the upset masses who felt the subversion of expectations in TLJ were an attack on their core franchise beliefs is cause enough to try and gently caress over Disney/LucasFilm. Spread bad word of mouth, start boycotts, petitions, rant and rave on YouTube etc etc. I just hope it doesn't work and that Rian Johnson doesn't get shitcanned because of it. Also, gently caress those guys. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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One thing that struck me as odd: Why are Finn and Rose flying speeders in the end battle? They aren't pilots. They're janitor-warriors..
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Powered Descent posted:One thing that struck me as odd: Why are Finn and Rose flying speeders in the end battle? They aren't pilots. They're janitor-warriors.. The Resistance is down to so few people that they can all fit in the Millenium Falcon at the end
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Powered Descent posted:One thing that struck me as odd: Why are Finn and Rose flying speeders in the end battle? They aren't pilots. They're janitor-warriors.. i imagine there were more speeders than still living pilots left and they weren't really in a position to be picky
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the last jedi isnt subversive. its about how we just have to deal with star wars being around forever and how thats a fact of life no matter how we feel about it, so might as well make the best of it.
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