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Hello Sailor posted:I have yet to eat a veggie burger that tastes even remotely like the real thing. Just covering the patty in artificial smoke flavor doesn't fool anyone. The Beast Burger is so close that I don't even like it (I haven't had beef in decades, lost the taste for it). It can fool people.
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I eat a lot of Veggie burgers and am not a vegetarian. I kinda think the Boca all American burger tastes like a real hamburger. Not really a good hamburger but one of those mediocre burgers you get at a gas station. I don't eat Veggie burgers to save the world. I like burgers but eating beef all the time isn't healthy.
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Dec 24, 2017 08:24
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Otto Von Jizzmark posted:I eat a lot of Veggie burgers and am not a vegetarian. The Beast Burger is an amazing achievement, but now I prefer more grain like ones. I do wish Costco would bring back the Boca burgers though. That was a good deal.
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Dec 24, 2017 08:29
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It's weird hamburgers became the target all meat substitutes went after. Like vegan sausage exists but all meat substitutes seem to exist to make hamburgers primarily. Go after stuff heavily flavored and mixed with other things why don't ya? Literally no one on earth would know if a pepperoni in a hot pocket was zero percent meat.
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Dec 24, 2017 08:44
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TheBlackVegetable posted:About the only way to take enough beef out of the food-chain (within an effective timeframe) would be through a virus engineered and released to kill off all cattle.
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Dec 24, 2017 09:13
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Hear me out: Super Mad Cow Disease WTB one adventurous bioterrorist to engineer super mad cow prions
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Dec 24, 2017 09:15
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VideoGameVet posted:As a vegan, I avoid that poo poo as much as possible. Soy Isolate based over processed crap. Yeah I'm vegetarian and I steer clear of that stuff. Aside from veggie patties, which can really spice up a sandwich, it's mostly bad, overpriced, or both. That stuff is made for people who are trying to switch and want a substitute for their old meals, so if you actually don't want to eat meat then it's the worst of both worlds.
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Dec 24, 2017 10:11
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's weird hamburgers became the target all meat substitutes went after. Like vegan sausage exists but all meat substitutes seem to exist to make hamburgers primarily. I don't think it's actually that weird. The best way to serve TVP is to mix it up with a bunch of spices and dehydrated vegetables. Nobody really wants to eat that on its own but if you put it on a sandwich it works just fine, because you've got some bread and vegetables to go with it. You can make a mean chili with it too, but that's a lot more effort than just buying patties and cooking a family meal in 30 minutes. I think a good analogy would be falafel, which is really a sort of bean kofta that's stood up for centuries on its own, but would never work as a meat imitation. Thug Lessons fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 10:22
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Some slightly good news from the UK on the food front. http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=10557&catId=1 It's a shame most of those veggies get transported halfway round the world... but baby steps 
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Dec 24, 2017 17:33
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When I was a kid at camp we loved this 'fickin' (fake chicken) stuff, I'm not sure if it had a different name. Didn't taste like chicken but it was great with rice and Sriracha. At a certain point they had to restrict it to just the vegetarians because everybody preferred it over the meat.
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Dec 24, 2017 17:37
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Otto Von Jizzmark posted:I eat a lot of Veggie burgers and am not a vegetarian. I frequently eat those Morningstar breaded "Chik'n" patties on a potato bun with pepperjack cheese, pickle and hot sauce and I dig it. I could say I'm trying to save the planet but the fact is I eat 75% vegetarian because I'm not a good enough cook to make a meal worth some animal dying for, so I save meat for going to restaurants. And I'm too lazy to do anything other than PB&J to bring to work for lunch every day.
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Dec 24, 2017 17:42
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Falafel definitely stands on its own as a delicious filling for whatever or as an entree. Vegetarian refried beans are also usually superior to the other canned varieties if that is your jam.
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Dec 25, 2017 04:13
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TheBlackVegetable posted:About the only way to take enough beef out of the food-chain (within an effective timeframe) would be through a virus engineered and released to kill off all cattle. Ah, but now back to the collective action problem. In the USA at least, this problem could be solved by simply ending government subsidies to cattle farmers. But then that makes imported argentianan beef more attractive, so you have to ban beef imports too I guess.
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Dec 25, 2017 04:47
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A lot of collective action environmental problems could become solvable by using tariffs or free-trade zones offensively.
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Looking at this list of countries eating more beef or eating less because of economic troubles or political collapse you can find a few examples of counties that appear to have just cut beef consumption a meaningful amount in a small number of years willingly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption
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Dec 25, 2017 05:00
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MiddleOne posted:A lot of collective action environmental problems could become solvable by using tariffs or free-trade zones offensively. Collective action would benefit from sort of system to formalize and mandate certain pro-social activities and restrict and potentially punish anti-social activities.
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Dec 25, 2017 06:32
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Trabisnikof posted:Collective action would benefit from sort of system to formalize and mandate certain pro-social activities and restrict and potentially punish anti-social activities. Facebook likes?
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Dec 26, 2017 02:11
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here's an idea that doesn't require any magic or facebook-esque systems of upvoting and downvoting a carbon tax ill be here all week folks, keep on keeping on about instituting the beef gestapo
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Dec 26, 2017 05:05
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Carbon taxes suck though. In almost every single country they've been applied in they're used as a way to shift the tax-burden downwards on the income scale. If they'd actually be used to decrease consumption (with the government saving the income) then the immidiate result would be a recession and that's still only if the central bank is asleep at the wheel.
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Dec 26, 2017 06:12
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MiddleOne posted:Carbon taxes suck though. lol quote:In almost every single country they've been applied in they're used as a way to shift the tax-burden downwards on the income scale. yes, welcome to the 21st century enjoy your late stage capitalism. fortunately this has nothing to do with a carbon tax and is only a result of most first worlders being idiots despite living in a period of time with the greatest access to education/resources/etc, which is why we're all going to die and collective action is not going to save us nuclear war is more likely to solve climate change as long as educated first worlders unironically post things like this: Trabisnikof posted:Collective action would benefit from sort of system to formalize and mandate certain pro-social activities and restrict and potentially punish anti-social activities. 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Dec 26, 2017 |
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Dec 26, 2017 06:18
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self unaware posted:here's an idea that doesn't require any magic or facebook-esque systems of upvoting and downvoting I don't normally recommend the death sentence for minor infractions such as murder or rape (good for carbon sequestration if the offender favors natural burial) but anyone who rolls coal can suck a tailpipe They can have a Viking[99] Norway (1931) tyre burial in their yard if they like. That's my hot take on deliberate destruction of the environment out of spite and hatred. (I got some coal rolled on my bicycle and am bitter)
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Dec 26, 2017 06:20
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syscall girl posted:I don't normally recommend the death sentence for minor infractions such as murder or rape (good for carbon sequestration if the offender favors natural burial) but anyone who rolls coal can suck a tailpipe
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Dec 26, 2017 06:58
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 I can understand neglect, irresponsibility and ignorance about climate change. Honestly. When someone goes and does something like that gently caress THEM AND I HOPE THEY DIE IN A FIRE
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Dec 26, 2017 10:50
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syscall girl posted:
no gently caress you dad you can't tell me what to do
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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In the world of moral and religious philosophy you have a lot of choices. Athiest/agnostic means you should be a humanist and care about humans. Rough going but it works for me. In the Abrahamic religions of Islam/Christianity/Judaism you are loving required to be a good steward to our dumb earth. In none of these you should be intentionally destructive to our planet and the future of its people. So what the gently caress are you doing you redneck trash? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_toHjogc_s
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As it happens we're kind of a dumb species sometimes. Like, you're not wrong, but plenty of people have internalized 'I'm a good person, so the things that I do are good and right (or at least good enough)' to the point that it precludes introspection or personal development. And a few people just don't even remotely give a gently caress because by nature or nurture their empathy is broken. Psychology is working on the latter, appropriate education in critical thinking can help with the former, the only thing that the average person can maybe do to curb the suffering to below-extinction levels is fighting to get political power away from the assholes among us ASAP. I don't personally advocate violence as the mechanism for that, largely because I'm not a subject-matter expert on it, but I can see why people would when the damage now is already happening and will lead to, at a minimum, millions of previously-preventable deaths over the coming years.
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The "gently caress the earth"/"trigger libs" thing is definitely part of rolling coal but I'm pretty sure people would still do it it the clouds were totally harmless. It seems like every tinkering based hobby has the thing where you pick some thing that has some effect then tune the thing to do that the most to show off. Like nerds tweeking the memory timings on their computers in ways that would literally never impact the running of any application ever but is "fun" to show off it you are able to get yours more than the next guy. Like I get why it's fun to make a thing you know about do a thing it's not supposed to or do a thing more than someone else's and making the truck exhaust goes crazy seems a lot less obscure than like computer enthusiast stuff that I've done. If it was just black clouds of harmless steam or something I think they'd still do it just as much, the "gently caress the earth" stuff is just extra for people telling them not to do it.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The "gently caress the earth"/"trigger libs" thing is definitely part of rolling coal but I'm pretty sure people would still do it it the clouds were totally harmless. It would be less expensive and less harmful to the engine to rig up a smoke machine that uses glycol/water mix to actually release harmless steam. Obviously it goes without saying that you would be made fun by everyone on both sides if you did this.
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Dec 26, 2017 16:52
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Salt Fish posted:It would be less expensive and less harmful to the engine to rig up a smoke machine that uses glycol/water mix to actually release harmless steam. Obviously it goes without saying that you would be made fun by everyone on both sides if you did this. Do it with a Tesla Semi.
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Salt Fish posted:It would be less expensive and less harmful to the engine to rig up a smoke machine that uses glycol/water mix to actually release harmless steam. Obviously it goes without saying that you would be made fun by everyone on both sides if you did this. Of course, I think people just overplay the "people do it because they HATE EARTH" or whatever, when it seems like it falls in line with the dumb stuff people do in every hobby and the hurting earth stuff is just an additional layer. Like I am sure they love that it "triggers libs" as an additional layer but it seems like it's so much like every single tinkering hobby having a bunch of "tune a thing to some extreme then show each other how good you did it". Like no one actually needs to buy 15 of the same motherboard to sort out which one does the smoothest electricity conversion so they can lower the timings on a memory module by one tiny step.
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From the political cartoon thread, really a good representation of the situation in the USA.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Of course, I think people just overplay the "people do it because they HATE EARTH" or whatever, when it seems like it falls in line with the dumb stuff people do in every hobby and the hurting earth stuff is just an additional layer. No, you're wrong and they deserve death. Look, there are people that buy different engine parts and tool around to get the most horse power, and they take their trucks to tractor pulls and compete. If these purpose built trucks spew extra Co2 or soot at the tractor pull nobody thinks twice about it. This shows that your analogy is wrong because there is something fundamentally different between tractor pull trucks or truck racing and rolling coal. The difference is that coal rollers are doing it to be assholes and they're competing with each other to see who can be the biggest public nuisance.
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Salt Fish posted:No, you're wrong and they deserve death. Look, there are people that buy different engine parts and tool around to get the most horse power, and they take their trucks to tractor pulls and compete. If these purpose built trucks spew extra Co2 or soot at the tractor pull nobody thinks twice about it. This shows that your analogy is wrong because there is something fundamentally different between tractor pull trucks or truck racing and rolling coal. The difference is that coal rollers are doing it to be assholes and they're competing with each other to see who can be the biggest public nuisance. Exactly. Doing motorsports is often cool and good. I've watched a NASCAR twice and got lucky both times with some excellent multi-vehicle crashes (no deaths) and liked it alright I guess. The Isle of Man TT makes my pants feel tight in a funny way. It's all over but the shouting anyway just don't be a dick all the time ffs
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MiddleOne posted:Carbon taxes suck though. In almost every single country they've been applied in they're used as a way to shift the tax-burden downwards on the income scale. If they'd actually be used to decrease consumption (with the government saving the income) then the immidiate result would be a recession and that's still only if the central bank is asleep at the wheel. If the problem is that the costs are being pushed down to customers then there's a simple solution: return the revenue in the form of a tax credit. I think James Hansen has proposed something like this, but maybe it was Kevin Anderson, or maybe both. In any case climate policy shouldn't aim to reduce consumption, since consumption doesn't cause climate change.
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Thug Lessons posted:If the problem is that the costs are being pushed down to customers then there's a simple solution: return the revenue in the form of a tax credit. I think James Hansen has proposed something like this, but maybe it was Kevin Anderson, or maybe both. In any case climate policy shouldn't aim to reduce consumption, since consumption doesn't cause climate change. https://www.ted.com/talks/james_hansen_why_i_must_speak_out_about_climate_change good watch
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VideoGameVet posted:From the political cartoon thread, really a good representation of the situation in the USA. Totally inaccurate because Republicans would loving embrace any such external threat, as it would be the perfect excuse to dial up the military budget x10 and use war to distract people from domestic issues.
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enraged_camel posted:Totally inaccurate because Republicans would loving embrace any such external threat, as it would be the perfect excuse to dial up the military budget x10 and use war to distract people from domestic issues. We can nuke the hell out of this problem -Bruce Willis (probably) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjtUYOG4po Morgan Freeman's character was more better. Now I want Morgan Freeman for president, not because there's much left to fix, it's just that his voice is calming. Trump's is like fingernails on a chalkboard saying things so insanely wrong no one can even parse them.
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enraged_camel posted:Totally inaccurate because Republicans would loving embrace any such external threat, as it would be the perfect excuse to dial up the military budget x10 and use war to distract people from domestic issues. I think you may be forgetting how they’re treating a certain ongoing external threat to American democracy. If someone could show how the xenoforming would take San Francisco first and make them billions of dollars in the process, they’d be lining up to give the aliens tentacle-blowjobs on Fox.
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Salt Fish posted:No, you're wrong and they deserve death. Look, there are people that buy different engine parts and tool around to get the most horse power, and they take their trucks to tractor pulls and compete. If these purpose built trucks spew extra Co2 or soot at the tractor pull nobody thinks twice about it. This shows that your analogy is wrong because there is something fundamentally different between tractor pull trucks or truck racing and rolling coal. The difference is that coal rollers are doing it to be assholes and they're competing with each other to see who can be the biggest public nuisance. If you can name a thing that makes any sort of smoke you can find a youtube video of people playing around with making it make the most smoke possible, it doesn't seem like a thing limited to cars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhH9HJiBRX4 Like the people that roll coal are clearly bad but it seems weird when people attribute really weird and alien motivations to it where they are captain planet villans who hate gaia and are sitting around running very small scale attacks on her spirit or something when it seems pretty universal that people like to make and look at smoke for whatever stupid reason.
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