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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:I also think comparing a film like BP to a bank putting it's logo on a parade float unfairly minimizes the level of effort and talent involved from this particular cast and crew. Not to mention the importance of these kinds of films to their audience. “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:As it is with everything it depends on the demography, the average middle-low class Mexican (and thus the group most benefited by positive depictions in media) love those guys. Derbez in particular is so popular that his most recent film, How to be a Latin Lover took the #1 spot at the mexican box office at release, surpassing GOTG2 on its second week. His previous film was also a hit with mexican audiences IIRC. A lot of film Students at the UNAM (one of the two major colleges in the country)are also inspired by Iñarritu, Cuarón and Del Toro successes.  I know that. I was there~ but honestly, It makes me upset knowing people have forgotten, don't even bring the subject or care, that Derbez went so far to steal a whole character and sketch from Bustamantes. Such a fangirl I am. And yeah, Diego got some poo poo after the earthquake for even daring to help out. But anyways, I do would love to see people from indigenous or Afro-Mexican background, or any other as we are a melting pot or many things, get more jobs in the industry, or important roles. Just. I dunno, it would be great.
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KVeezy3 posted:“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” Kay.
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Jimbot posted:Talking about this sort of things when it comes to representation is walking on eggshells. On one hand, you have the very loud right wing loonies or sheltered nerds who squeal social justice this that and another thing because they had the AUDACITY to put a black man or an asian lady or a latino man in lead roles in their popcorn film. HOW DARE THEY! On the other hand, any kind of criticism against these characters is seen as an attack on said representation and you're lumped into or close to the above group. Where representation in of itself is a triumph, regardless of the quality of the characters. Kind of the bad identity politics you see in, well, politics.
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If you think I'm discussing the matter too heavy handedly or arguing in bad faith, let's not forget that this discussion was started due to people proclaiming Black Panther the movie to be a revolutionary event.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:It's delicate, to be sure. You have people in the Star Wars thread(s) often unfairly characterizing ANY criticisms of the new film as coming from "trolled alt right nerds". On the other hand you have imo Red Letter Media often using attacks on corporate diversity as a way to pander to their YouTube scumfuck fans who want diversity attacked in general and ending in a line of logic that included "Why would black kids want their toys to look like them? Take it from us, two old white dudes." I recall how RLM criticized Lucas for putting Samuel Jackson in the movie, arguing he was only doing it for the "urban demographics", and then made a joke about black people stealing his tv.
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Desperado Bones posted:cheated on his ex-wife with a younger lady if I remember correctly, so there might be a skeleton of sexual harassment in his closet What's your a to b on this one?
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They took a diva attitude after hitting it big that pissed a lot of people who then started to seeing them like they were "too good for Mexico".
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:By comparison, Set It Off is so revolutionary it might as well star Assata Shakur (and it also made a hell of a lot of money). Girl's Trip is simply a return to something that was fairly commonplace 10 or 20 years ago. What are we talking about, exactly? Can you imagine someone talking about Drumline or Roll Bounce as if they were some watershed moment? What seems to have happened is that Hollywood got way whiter after the early 2000s but now we have PR agencies for the studios patting themselves on the back for allowing Chadwick Boseman to play every famous black man that's ever lived. Just absurd and ahistorical. I am talking about the movie crossing the 100mm domestic line by being a movie primarily aimed at black women and is the first movie to do so while being produced, written, and starring by black people. Here's an article abput its black producer and his strategy (seen in previous movies like Think Like A Movie) about unapologetically making movies for minorities and raking in the cash as a result: http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-will-packer-inc-20170808-story.html The movies you mentioned are great but they do not have nearly as much cultural cachet or the uniformly brown professionals shepherding their movies into theaters. And for this discussion to progress we need to decide what we are talking about, like you said. I am stating that greater cultural presence of black starring movies who then enrich black people is a good thing. You can talk about getting more money in an inherently corrupt capitalistic system is not a good thing, not that Im saying you are, but if you are then we are not even sharing the same terms for a debate here and discussion here. I dont see any benefit to talking about BP if we cant agree on that otherwise we'll just be talking past each other.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Tyler Perry would be a legit good place to go to get a black action blockbuster made. He has the money, he owns a studio in Atlanta, and has a distribution chain. The question would be if he wants to produce outside of comedy and melodrama. It would be a risky proposition for him (as all blockbuster films are) I would love Tyler Perry to create a legit competition for Hollywood and call it his own thing.
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Gatts posted:I would love Tyler Perry to create a legit competition for Hollywood and call it his own thing. Peachtree Wood
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Jimbot posted:Talking about this sort of things when it comes to representation is walking on eggshells. On one hand, you have the very loud right wing loonies or sheltered nerds who squeal social justice this that and another thing because they had the AUDACITY to put a black man or an asian lady or a latino man in lead roles in their popcorn film. HOW DARE THEY! On the other hand, any kind of criticism against these characters is seen as an attack on said representation and you're lumped into or close to the above group. Where representation in of itself is a triumph, regardless of the quality of the characters. Kind of the bad identity politics you see in, well, politics. Well, that's kinda the problem. Both are equally worthless. What nerds whining about canon think is rarely interesting, important, or consequential and anticritical acceptance of the importance of the Burger King Kids Club is completely disingenuous. Shageletic posted:I am talking about the movie crossing the 100mm domestic line by being a movie primarily aimed at black women and is the first movie to do so while being produced, written, and starring by black people. Here's an article abput its black producer and his strategy (seen in previous movies like Think Like A Movie) about unapologetically making movies for minorities and raking in the cash as a result: http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-will-packer-inc-20170808-story.html While we're on the subject, then, Hollywood does not "enrich people". Hollywood makes specific people wealthy. I'm simply referring to resisting the urge to identify with corporate PR. For sure I'm not mad at Tiffany Haddish getting money, but at the same time, so what? Good for her. Jay-Z being a billionaire does not "empower" people.
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New Mutants motion posters. https://twitter.com/NewMutantsFilm/status/944266831719747584 https://twitter.com/NewMutantsFilm/status/944992548275310592
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Well, that's kinda the problem. Both are equally worthless. What nerds whining about canon think is rarely interesting, important, or consequential and anticritical acceptance of the importance of the Burger King Kids Club is completely disingenuous. Enrich means "making someone wealthy". That's the literal definition. You quoted me saying "empower" when I dont believe I used that word in my post. Im trying to get to the most basic level of agreed terms of debate here but that doesnt seem to be happening.
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Shageletic posted:Enrich means "making someone wealthy". That's the literal definition. It's one of the definitions, the other is "improve or enhance the quality or value of". In contexts like this where we're contrasting the social and financial impact of the Hollywood machine it's maybe a bit too ambiguous
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If we're talking about "enrich" as in "make someone rich", who cares. No basis of discussion there.
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Shageletic posted:Enrich means "making someone wealthy". That's the literal definition. You quoted me saying "empower" when I dont believe I used that word in my post. Im trying to get to the most basic level of agreed terms of debate here but that doesnt seem to be happening.
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In these delicate times, would Disney have released a movie like Pocahontas as-is? Answer: absolutely. That should illuminate every move they make "for people of color."
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ruddiger posted:In these delicate times, would Disney have released a movie like Pocahontas as-is? Yup.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:If we're talking about "enrich" as in "make someone rich", who cares. No basis of discussion there. You dont think black artists and entrepreneurs doing better and reaping the benefits of an imdustry that has traditionally gone out of its way to marginalize them is a good thing? Black people doing well in business has been such a threat to the establishment that they would regularly go through and burn it down ala Black Wall Street. Black people gaining more wealth amd therefore more power is a challenge against the status quo. You cited Cosby before, yes there have been rich black people before, but not ones that are explicitly making movies for other black people unapologetically while corraling the most omnipresent and culturally saturating machine ever made, Hollywood.
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If you get rich off the status quo, you won't be the one who changes it. You just become another rich rear end in a top hat.
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Jimbot posted:If you get rich off the status quo, you won't be the one who changes it. You just become another rich rear end in a top hat. Nublacks really hurt us because they're held up as bastions, and fail to recognize they only got rich by shucking and jiving.
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bushisms.txt posted:Nublacks really hurt us because they're held up as bastions, and fail to recognize they only got rich by shucking and jiving. very true. if u aren't willing to finance your own film productions 100% staffed by the minority of my choosing, run your own cinemas, and distribute the Blu Rays in your BlackMart chain of superstores just sit he gently caress down and let the white man do his job like lmao at the idea of moving a needle in the right direction. Fuckin SMASH THA DIAL make ur own movies mannnn or else ur just like a 2017 slave. wtf do half you retards even think you're arguing for?
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As a white, 30-something middleclass male, I agree.
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:If you find yourself using the word "important," to describe a superhero movie, something's gone way wrong. Ben Hur?
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More like Spartacus. Ben Hur is bible EU fanfiction
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bring back old gbs posted:very true. if u aren't willing to finance your own film productions 100% staffed by the minority of my choosing, run your own cinemas, and distribute the Blu Rays in your BlackMart chain of superstores just sit he gently caress down and let the white man do his job There's clearly a difference between keeping your head down and down playing racism in whatever industry like Pharell, Charles Barkley, Stacey dash et al and using the system to further you and your people. It's why im hoping black panther sticks the landing and does more than fellate American capitalism.
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How can you possibly put Charles Barkley in the same category as Stacey Dash, you loon?
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People seem to have the belief that he's a republican because of an offhand joke he made over a decade ago
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Al Borland Corp. posted:People seem to have the belief that he's a republican because of an offhand joke he made over a decade ago Uhh...
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Uhh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyyLF20Q_4A He literally stumps for Democratic candidates in his home state
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bring back old gbs posted:very true. if u aren't willing to finance your own film productions 100% staffed by the minority of my choosing, run your own cinemas, and distribute the Blu Rays in your BlackMart chain of superstores just sit he gently caress down and let the white man do his job Well you've convinced me.
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I For some reason I read that as Gnarls Barkley and then replaced THAT with Cee Lo Green So I was thinking "What, because Glee covered gently caress You?"
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Al Borland Corp. posted:People seem to have the belief that he's a republican because of an offhand joke he made over a decade ago Rough Lobster posted:How can you possibly put Charles Barkley in the same category as Stacey Dash, you loon?   
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Al Borland Corp. posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyyLF20Q_4A Charles Barkley is the ultimate Respectability Politics black celebrity who spends 95% of his time when he deigns to comment on society-at-large condescending to poor black people.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Charles Barkley is the ultimate Respectability Politics black celebrity who spends 95% of his time when he deigns to comment on society-at-large condescending to poor black people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Oty5qVeOc Doesn't seem to be condescending to black people, rather telling white politicians to get their poo poo together. Guy who posted images, those are literally unreadable to me.
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Yes when up against Roy loving Moore. Look up his thoughts on police brutality.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley#Politics I'll quote it for ya quote:Commenting on the Ferguson unrest, Barkley called the Ferguson looters "scumbags", praised the police officers who work in black neighborhoods, and said that he supports the decision made by the grand jury not to indict officer Darren Wilson in the Michael Brown shooting.[86] Previously, in 2013, Barkley expressed his agreement with the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin shooting.[86]
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Can we get back to talking about Coco? I want to point out it's a film about stereotypical Mexican culture (which is fine latin americans loving love stereotypes especially ones that are 10x more racist than any american ones) but most non-mexican latinos don't like Mexicans. Like at all. In fact some actively hate them. Also Dia de Los Muertos is only celebrated in Mexico. Everyone else thinks it's like super weird.
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