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I'm not sure how untouchable they are politically, but anyone that isn't a Randian zealot realized that without them a lot of economies would crumble. The issue is we have cretins and Evangelical Randian zealots in power so who knows if they are fanatical enough to burn down a lot of business for the sake of ideology.
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Pakled posted:Are food stamps universally popular and untouchable in the same way Social Security and Medicare are? Like, even typical rank-and-file Republican voters don't want to get rid of those two programs, even though their leaders would absolutely love to, but in the white middle-class bubble most Republicans live in, "food stamps" is just code for "poor lazy blacks." Because "public opinion" has worked so well at determining their direction so far?
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Radish posted:I'm not sure how untouchable they are politically, but anyone that isn't a Randian zealot realized that without them a lot of economies would crumble. Also all the starving children begging at traffic lights would be a huge downer to most people who aren't sociopaths.
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Cheney did very clearly believe in taking out Saddam and had been pushing for it throughout the ‘90s with his fellow PNAC neocon supporters. The fact that he was able to get his company most of the cushy Iraq rebuilding contracts is just your standard Washington corruption
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FlamingLiberal posted:Cheney did very clearly believe in taking out Saddam and had been pushing for it throughout the ‘90s with his fellow PNAC neocon supporters. He also stated that taking out Saddam would destabilize Iraq and leave it in a state of disarray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY
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Radish posted:As Alabama has shown eventually the people that come out of the these increasingly lunatic filled primaries are unelectable. They are starting to find themselves in a situation where their base wants them to be something that is finally too much for the general electorate to tolerate, especially when Trump is a constant reminder of what happens when their get into power. I'm actually feeling hopeful that the Southern Strategy has almost run its course and isn't going to get the GOP automatic seats in the South anymore. GOP candidates aren't getting less insane since the boomers took over politics in the past 20 years, but now their core electorate is getting smaller as the boomers die off and they've done nothing for the past five decades but alienate every minority voter they can. At the same time the Internet has made it so statewide organizing for the black vote is viable in a way no amount of cross burning can stop, and Moore's loss was the first to show that in Alabama. Even mediocre Democrat candidates can win in this climate if things keep going this way. And while I'm dreaming I hope the Democrats actually look at Hillary's loss and move left instead of grinding their crotches on the center fence in ecstasy yet again. But the Democrat party learning a lesson above the state level is probably a bridge too far.
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botany posted:the article is about Grand Hotel Abyss Ok, try Gillian Rose’s The Melancholy Science and Held’s Introduction to Critical Theory, which are both good. Rose was Adorno’s student, I think.
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pkay posted:He also stated that taking out Saddam would destabilize Iraq and leave it in a state of disarray. It's amazing how prescient that clip is.
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Pakled posted:Are food stamps universally popular and untouchable in the same way Social Security and Medicare are? Like, even typical rank-and-file Republican voters don't want to get rid of those two programs, even though their leaders would absolutely love to, but in the white middle-class bubble most Republicans live in, "food stamps" is just code for "poor lazy blacks." There are people that work in grocery stores that love to talk poo poo about food-stamps and regurgitate Fox News ad infinitum about how dare those poorer than us eat lobster. It is both a race and class thing where even the lower class get to look at people even under them and wish death because "they don't work themselves up to earn it".
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it's true I do buy better quality food when I'm able to get SNAP no lobster, though, I live in a small town and the seafood at Wally always sits in the freezer too long FuturePastNow fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Dec 26, 2017 |
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breaking exclusivequote:Specialists at the United States National Arboretum were brought in by the White House to assess the Magnolia grandiflora, as it is specifically termed. According to documents obtained exclusively by CNN, the tree must be removed, and quickly, despite efforts to preserve it over several decades. https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/26/politics/white-house-jackson-magnolia-south-facade/index.html
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Considering that poverty is a driving factor for a lot of crime, add in 'starving to death' and I'd reckon there'd be a really sharp increase in crime if Food Stamps ever got the axe. From there you're like 2 steps away from Somali Warlords hording UN food supply drops in the US, or some Alabama-equivalent.
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Every SNAP card will now come with a middle-aged white person who will accompany you on all grocery store visits and judge you for every item you select. JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!
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If they are dumb enough to just get rid of food stamps (instead of just making them harder and harder slow boil style) there will be riots once people realize they have a few days before their families starve.
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Bronze posted:breaking exclusive Trump peed on Spicey in the bushes.
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Radish posted:If they are dumb enough to just get rid of food stamps (instead of just making them harder and harder slow boil style) there will be riots once people realize they have a few days before their families starve. Fox will cover riots made up predominantly black people and tut tut about how lazy people just want hand outs and would rather riot than work.
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So the government is intent on taking away access to things like healthcare and food stamps to the ever-growing class of poor people in this country, while simultaneously working to ensure they have unlimited access to all the guns they want. I'm sure that's going to work out great for them.
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Uncle Ulty posted:So the government is intent on taking away access to things like healthcare and food stamps to the ever-growing class of poor people in this country, while simultaneously working to ensure they have unlimited access to all the guns they want. I'm sure that's going to work out great for them. That's why they are constantly pointing them at the "other" you're just going to see school shootings and transgender/lgbq targeting also anyone of different religion or skin color.
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Bronze posted:breaking exclusive On the one hand, gently caress Trump and everything about him. On the other hand, everything I've read basically says this is the right decision and the tree needs to go for its own good. Though the best part is that Trump is removing something of Jackson's legacy so that's a little amusing.
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Draynar posted:That's why they are constantly pointing them at the "other" you're just going to see school shootings and transgender/lgbq targeting also anyone of different religion or skin color. I think this works when the things being "stolen" are jobs or culture. When the thing that they have lost is actual food, there may be an increase in attacks against targeted groups but that doesn't put a meal on the table. I don't think Republican voters are going to wise up about who is screwing them, but they certainly will be joining any mobs that form to loot the local grocery store.
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Uncle Ulty posted:So the government is intent on taking away access to things like healthcare and food stamps to the ever-growing class of poor people in this country, while simultaneously working to ensure they have unlimited access to all the guns they want. I'm sure that's going to work out great for them. the ones with the guns are not the same ones with food stamps.. right?
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Like, if you're gonna complain about food stamps, do you really think the people on food stamps have the power/influence to change the system? You really think "big food stamp" is lobbying the senate?Bronze posted:the ones with the guns are not the same ones with food stamps.. right? New program: gun stamps.
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Uncle Ulty posted:So the government is intent on taking away access to things like healthcare and food stamps to the ever-growing class of poor people in this country, while simultaneously working to ensure they have unlimited access to all the guns they want. I'm sure that's going to work out great for them.
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robotsinmyhead posted:Considering that poverty is a driving factor for a lot of crime, add in 'starving to death' and I'd reckon there'd be a really sharp increase in crime if Food Stamps ever got the axe. From there you're like 2 steps away from Somali Warlords hording UN food supply drops in the US, or some Alabama-equivalent. That would just play into the "We need to crack down on crime and violence caused by the dems" narrative even more.
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Pakled posted:Are food stamps universally popular and untouchable in the same way Social Security and Medicare are? But a black person somewhere and a Mexican looking teen once bought steak with them so they have to go.
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Reik posted:Like, if you're gonna complain about food stamps, do you really think the people on food stamps have the power/influence to change the system? You really think "big food stamp" is lobbying the senate? big food stamp as in large retailers who sell groceries, yes wal-mart stands to lose billions over time if food stamps get cut, as well as other major chains like kroger, aldi's, target etc.
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As pointed out a lot of business makes money with food stamps being used to purchase their products. Removing them would cut out a lot of profit, especially in areas where the wages have been kept low (often by the same people that profit from food stamps). The only people that REALLY want to get rid of them are Randian cultists like Ryan who are too stupid to understand their benefit to capitalism (or just don't care) or idiots that buy into the idea that food stamp people are stealing their tax dollars. Big business wants them because it's just tax money that they get and also allows them to keep their employees paid crap.
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I work at Dollar General. Half of our customers are on food stamps and basically all our employees are. This is a predominantly white suburb in a red state. loving with food stamps wouldn't be something you could just sweep under the rug.
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Reik posted:Like, if you're gonna complain about food stamps, do you really think the people on food stamps have the power/influence to change the system? You really think "big food stamp" is lobbying the senate? Without the food stamp program Wal Mart would likely crash and burn. They'd have to triple the wages they pay because you can't run a store with starving staff.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Without the food stamp program Wal Mart would likely crash and burn. They'd have to triple the wages they pay because you can't run a store with starving staff. Also that's before they lose the business of people that can no longer afford to shop there. Those combined would decimate the economy of a lot of areas. There would probably be people selling black market food they stole from their Wal Mart jobs within a week.
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Mantis42 posted:I work at Dollar General. Half of our customers are on food stamps and basically all our employees are. This is a predominantly white suburb in a red state. loving with food stamps wouldn't be something you could just sweep under the rug. the X factor here is poor white racists and their ability to convert outrage against the government into outrage against poor black americans, or if they'll just grumble about how all politicians are dirty and sit out the next election
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boner confessor posted:the X factor here is poor white racists and their ability to convert outrage against the government into outrage against poor black americans, or if they'll just grumble about how all politicians are dirty and sit out the next election I don't think lack of access to food is something that could just simmer until the next election. I'm not sure that angry white racists would react by not voting Republican but the messaging of how their leaders are going to get food back into their communities would certainly be interesting. Health care is something that people often don't realize they need to live until it's too late and the really horrible cases are spaced out so when it's taken away people can rationalize that they are fine without it or think it's affordable when it isn't. Everyone in an area suddenly not being able to eat would result in immediate anger. I think people are underestimating how bad things can get when a large amount of the public suddenly can't eat. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Dec 26, 2017 |
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Mantis42 posted:I work at Dollar General. Half of our customers are on food stamps and basically all our employees are. This is a predominantly white suburb in a red state. loving with food stamps wouldn't be something you could just sweep under the rug. They'll just blame "those people" for abusing the system and wrecking it for hardworking folks like them
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boner confessor posted:the X factor here is poor white racists and their ability to convert outrage against the government into outrage against poor black americans, or if they'll just grumble about how all politicians are dirty and sit out the next election They'd be outnumbered by single white moms who won't be able to feed their kids, let alone any other demographic.
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boner confessor posted:big food stamp as in large retailers who sell groceries, yes Walmart is big, but I can't imagine it's pharma/fossil fuel big?
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Radish posted:I don't think lack of access to food is something that could just simmer until the next election. I'm not sure that angry white racists would react by voting Republican but the messaging of how their leaders are going to get food back into their communities would certainly be interesting. there aren't that many people who would starve without food stamps there are however a ton of people who would be pissed about having to reshuffle their money to buy food instead of whatever else. this is where big retailers would be hit, if someone comes in to spend $100 on food and $100 on notfood, then uses SNAP to cover the food, well, next time they come in they're going to spend less on notfood if they dont have the SNAP subsidy remember that nearly all americans who receive welfare and can be in the labor pool, are in the labor pool. most folks on welfare who aren't employed are either elderly or disabled or have some other disqualifying condition. the persistent myth is that people on welfare are lazy and workshy, the reality is that many jobs in this country pay so little that even with two jobs and working 60+ hours a week you still can't afford to live in many areas, and if you moved someplace cheaper, you'd have a much harder time finding a job as the goon mentioned above, and this is especially true for wal-mart - a ton of retail workers in this country qualify for food subsidies, because their employers are allowed to pay below subsistence wages
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There is an old saying, "society is only three meals away from revolution."
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"I support our President Trump getting rid of wasteful programs like food stamps! Why should those people get food stamps while I have to rely on SNAP!"
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Reik posted:Walmart is big, but I can't imagine it's pharma/fossil fuel big? Your imagination is broken. Fortune posted:1. Walmart earned $485.7 billion in revenue in 2014, which outpaced No. 2 Exxon Mobil by $103 billion.
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Reik posted:Walmart is big, but I can't imagine it's pharma/fossil fuel big? Thing is, Walmart has brand visibility in a way that a lot of pharma and energy companies don't. I firmly believe that if Walmart wanted to mobilize their customer base to rally against a political issue, they absolutely could.
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