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You'll probably get a kick out of this al saqr. https://twitter.com/7yhy/status/947149498366619648
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Volkerball posted:You'll probably get a kick out of this al saqr. I dont get what I should be getting a kick out of? I'm not surprised that there's going to be a ton of noise coming out of saudi state journalists on one end and Qatari ones on the other. I don't follow any gulf news personalities because they're all unbearably awful and have zero things of worth to say. Like I said, there's going to be a looooot of noise coming out of the news media and saudi media especially rooting for protestors they wouldve absolutely murdered en masse had they been on the receiving end.
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Yeah I mean if these protests happened in regimes allied with Israel all of Israeli influence and diplomacy would be geared towards immediately promoting killing and destroying arab civil society the way they did in Egypt, mass killings included. so it's not like they give a poo poo about human beings in general, that's the reason why people who have any kind of sympathy for Israel like this neo-nazi Federalist reporter have no business pretending like they're democrats in any sense of the word, because their goals necessitate fascism and cruelty. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/RZimmt/status/947347421000077312 "This is the kind of fake news we will see more of in the next few days. The reports about the internet and cellular networks in Iran being blocked from last night turned out to be highly exaggerated, as well. Turns out there was a slowdown of cellular internet for a few hours, probably meant to delay the spread of videos, but how did a user from Iran put it? 'There are reports of the internet being blocked, but I'm still tweeting!'"
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https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/947333776866242560 Is this genuinely significant or...?
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FourLeaf posted:https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/947333776866242560 Probably not: https://twitter.com/dmidvar/status/947343945230639104
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Al-Saqr posted:I dont get what I should be getting a kick out of? I'm not surprised that there's going to be a ton of noise coming out of saudi state journalists on one end and Qatari ones on the other. I don't follow any gulf news personalities because they're all unbearably awful and have zero things of worth to say. Like I said, there's going to be a looooot of noise coming out of the news media and saudi media especially rooting for protestors they wouldve absolutely murdered en masse had they been on the receiving end. The idea of this Qatari journalist arguing from such a state of Arab despair that he looks at Iranian protesters and is like hey at least your government is good at something.
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Volkerball posted:The idea of this Qatari journalist arguing from such a state of Arab despair that he looks at Iranian protesters and is like hey at least your government is good at something. Is Arab despair more like sexy French depression or more like desperate Chinese fatalism? 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nPttwlBAkw As more videos are uploaded from last night it is becoming clear that this was not "a few hundred demonstraters" as claimed.
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Volkerball posted:The idea of this Qatari journalist arguing from such a state of Arab despair that he looks at Iranian protesters and is like hey at least your government is good at something. yeah that really is the sad part, the Iranian regime for all of it's shittiness and flaws has carried the country to levels of influence and overt power in the region that even crazed chauvanists like the Shah couldve only dreamed of. the thing is, the Iranian regime has actual geopolitical and developmental ambitions and a strategic outlook to carry that through unbelievable obstacles in it's path despite enormous dangers and being hampered in every way. in a way, I could see how people could point to it and admire how far it's gotten on how little they had and despair that no other Arab country tried to actually tackle the challenges it faces head on and unrelentingly chase its ambitions the way the Iranian regime did. However, to me, pinning your hopes to a self serving, murderous and frankly really badly managed regime is to invite that despair, at the end of the day, the Iranian Regime is still an oppressive, corrupt poo poo regime that isn't handling their internal development as well as they need to to keep up the momentum of their external reach, and the way they've treated the citizens of other countries is genocidal to say the least. they cant have it both ways, they have to really decide whether they can afford to keep up not giving their citizens the rights and freedoms or more say in their government, or they'll lose everything they've worked at, they have to start offering their citizens a better life and a better prospect than what they've got currently giving yourself external reach and prestige is one thing, but if your Achilles heel is your internal ability to deliver to people a good life, well guess what, you need to start delivering or else the rug will be swept from under you. and unlike american allies, they dont have unlimited funding or weapons or media backing to kill off their own population, I mean, sure they helped do that to Syrians, but to their own people? let's see. However, I would be very very wary of the amount of hype and noise over the next few weeks. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Al-Saqr posted:Hey guys, I'm taking a break away from the forum to take care of other things in my life, I'll probably be back in a couple of weeks but with the Iranian protests happening I just want to give my 2 cents:- This is more-or-less what I have been thinking. Though even if a protest doesn't bring down the government that doesn't mean it won't have an impact! It is odd seeing the contrast between this thread and the Iran protest thread in c-spam. Here everyone is hyped, there they have immediately dismissed the protests and mocked it all as a CIA plot. Funny how radically our perception can diverge. I sometimes wonder if we are all just hopelessly blinded by our prejudices and assumptions.
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I dunno man, C-Spam has the hottest of takes from some titans of world politics:Yossarian-22 posted:Whenever I see that protests are being held against "corruption" I assume that there's some weird right-wing element involved Karl Barks posted:it's cool how a few hundred people protested and the prseident of the united states knew to tweet about it almost immediately. nothing to see here khwarezm fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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khwarezm posted:I dunno man, C-Spam has the hottest of takes from some titans of world politics: How would someone who lives on Twitter 24/7 know to tweet about a thing that was constantly being tweeted about in the same Twitter?! I wonder how long it will take for C-SPAM to fully transform into LF and get memory-holed.
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Apparently this is to be the "blue" revolution. giving it a color really dooms it
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khwarezm posted:I dunno man, C-Spam has the hottest of takes from some titans of world politics: Meanwhile the GBS thread is mostly talking about Trump with breaks to discuss our imminent nuclear annihilation and refight the Iraq war. It's almost as if most "political" internet people don't actually know very much about the world at all.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Is Arab despair more like sexy French depression or more like desperate Chinese fatalism? Arabic despair is like dying of thirst at sea. So its really ugly and protracted and invariably leads to delusions and hallucinations or curled up in the fetal position waiting to die.
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I'm rooting for the Star Trek king. Mecca is his by right.
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just a reminder of how harder it is for arab activists to get the word out on social media:- http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-crack-down-social-media-dissent-754257 also a heartening chant from egyptian soccer fans that once people are free to express themselves away from tyranny Palestine is in their hearts, I hope those guys dont get punished by their Israeli backed fascist regime:- https://twitter.com/Saudi_Ajel/status/947389291914809344 https://twitter.com/AhmedElbaqry/status/947212970244927489
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Al-Saqr posted:just a reminder of how harder it is for arab activists to get the word out on social media:- Rough translation of what they are chanting please?
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DesperateDan posted:Rough translation of what they are chanting please? pro palestine chants like 'with our souls and blood we fight for you, palestine', stuff like that. Due to the fact that the Egyptian regime has a really murderous outlook on any form of dissent, people can only resort to spaces like soccer games and soccer clubs to get any voices heard. In Egypt, one of the very few groups of people who can mobilize politically are the soccer 'Ultras', basically because they're decentralized and are a soccer fan club and even then their members are routinely rounded up and jailed. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/KurdistanHRN/status/947489498589487105 There was also a large protest in Mahabad, which has long been the capital of Kurdish resistance in Iran. I'm trying to find some Baha'i leaders positions on the protests still, but the Kurdish areas seem just as involved as the Persian areas.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947453152806297600 Another tweet from the president... https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/947313751992274944 ...and Clinton too.
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Interesting thread on how Iranian newspapers are talking about the protests:- https://twitter.com/ntabrizy/status/947519482594914304 Also rouhani giving the protests a kind of reserved blessing:- https://twitter.com/hadinili/status/947523176107474945 I’m not going to jump the gun and predict stuff based on these newspapers and rouhani statements, but the fact that there’s actual back and forth and dialogue and differences of opinion on how to tackle the issue rather than a full throated lockdown of the regime on any discussion on the topic is a sign of confidence of the establishment and a surprising flexibility. There’s something I’ve been suspecting about what’s going on here that makes me think that people are getting too hyped and that it’s likely that the regime will weather this, because I think what a lot of people assume that politics in Iran is the same as politics in other middle eastern countries, so when people go out marching in Iran they assume that it’s the end of the regime because that’s what would happen in other places, but unlike other Arab countries Politics and civil society of some sorts actually exists in Iran where it doesn’t in places like Egypt or Saudi. To Arab fascists, the existence of politics at all is an existential threat, so when they view politics actually occur in other countries they view it as a weakness of the regime & project that it’s the end because that’s what would’ve happened to them. But a regime that actually has institutions and based on sectors of society ( lovely as it may be) has more resilience to weather internal strife. So my current prediction for how things will go is that there’s going to be quite a few protests over the next few days but unless something crazy happens the regime will probably hand out a list of reforms and concessions and weather this. I could be wrong and talking out my rear end, but that’s my gut.
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It is also hard to tell what really is going on from the bits and pieces you get through the press, how much is it a protest of Rouhani, of the economy/daily life issues, or the Islamic Republic itself? Admittedly, Rouhani was elected by a fairly wide margin in an election with high turnout in May 2017, so if the entire country turned against him, the question becomes what sparked it. I wonder how much of it is simply the always dangerous outcome of "rising expectations." Macro-economically speaking the situation in Iran could be better, but it certainly isn't in a state of collapse despite high unemployment. If anything inflation is fairly mundane, while growth had been relatively tremendous. The issue may simply be one of inequality, that while the economy has recovered, people on the bottom, especially in rural areas, haven't seen the "boom" in the same way as other elements of society.
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Volkerball posted:https://twitter.com/KurdistanHRN/status/947489498589487105 Azeris are also being reported as heavily represented in protests. With large demonstrations occurring in cities dominated by this Turkish peaking minority such as Tabriz and Ormia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5_N0eHa0PA
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Al-Saqr posted:I’m not going to jump the gun and predict stuff based on these newspapers and rouhani statements, but the fact that there’s actual back and forth and dialogue and differences of opinion on how to tackle the issue rather than a full throated lockdown of the regime on any discussion on the topic is a sign of confidence of the establishment and a surprising flexibility... Pretty much this. It was equally predictable and sad watching media commentators on protests. Post-2009, the government (rackets) knows that they need to co-opt the argument of the streets and maintain a 'war of attrition' to slowly cede power to others in a controllable way. This is why Rouhani won two times in a row, he has the support of Khamenei who has a longer term strategy. IMHO nothing much will happen except the perfunctory rolling of heads after some corruption investigation. I think a lot of people are angry at the state of the economy and foreign intervention but, similarly, a lot of people are also cognizant that the economy is held hostage by the US, KSA, and Israeli foreign lobbying. What Iran needs most is foreign investment and currency, and it's unclear if and how that would come even if Iran acceded to everything the "West" would want. I think the response to foreign intervention will be tricky - I doubt the government will want to make any concessions if only because it'd show their foreign affairs are vulnerable to domestic unrest. Ardennes posted:I wonder how much of it is simply the always dangerous outcome of "rising expectations." From what I gather it's mainly this. There were high expectations after the nuclear deal and people want the standard of living, namely employment & inflation, to have been resolved. e: A big part of me suspects these protests, or their success, is a direct result of foreign meddling. I imagine I'll have to wait half a century to find out! guidoanselmi fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Things are tense again tonight. https://twitter.com/MerdKurd/status/947595292601405440
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The MEK is how you say Ahmed Chalabi in Farsi, given that they're a group of exiles with no domestic support that Washington loving loves (presumably in large part because after their exile they decided to play nice with Israel and the Saudis). They're actually worse though since they're a cult and their membership celebrated after 9/11. I think an actually free Iran would be loving incredible, and that they're one of the countriest in the region best suited for positive change if they ever escape their regime, but anyone who thinks even that version of Iran would line up to be a US lackey again like the shah was is dreaming.
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spaceships posted:watching people who never gave a flying gently caress about the iranian people become erect and parroting MEK and pahlavi talking points is extremely my poo poo The Neocons/Salafi apologists should be VERY careful what they wish for. I’m also opposed to the Ayatollah’s regime, but I imagine for different reasons.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The Neocons/Salafi apologists should be VERY careful what they wish for. I’m also opposed to the Ayatollah’s regime, but I imagine for different reasons. I think the hope is that, like Bolshevik Russia, revolutionary Iran would be too divided to carry on its proxy wars and its opponents could then start rolling through any sign of resistance. It is just a part of the game.
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Ardennes posted:I think the hope is that, like Bolshevik Russia, revolutionary Iran would be too divided to carry on its proxy wars and its opponents could then start rolling through any sign of resistance. It is just a part of the game. A lot of protesters seem to specifically be demanding withdrawal from Syria and for the government to take care of the people of Iran instead, even to the point of saying the government should stop worrying about Palestine, so it's not a crazy hope.
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Hey guys, I know I’ve been acting crazy this past year, and honestly getting the weeklong probation made me take a step back and wonder about why I was screaming through the internet and what good it does, and I realized that the way I interact with the world and with the forums was just the muttering of a despairing individual and not somebody who actually does something even in a little bit to fix the world he lives in, instead of hollering from the sidelines and throwing barbs and venom, I have to try and live more in the spirit of those brave souls who tried to make people’s lives a better place, what good is it that I’m sitting here screaming and shouting while amazing brave people like Ahed Altamimi are doing what’s right, in her own small way she’s standing up and despite all of the despair and darkness in the world brave and unflinching, How have I actually dealt with the world? How have I played a part and actually moved the needle towards those lofty ideals in whatever small way? Have I done anything to actually carry through the spirit of those who fell for my right to be a human being? I can sit and sneer and jibe and curse, but the truth of he matter is that it won’t actually do anything. I have to live and work with the world as it is, not necessarily something crazy and get myself killed, but how am I actually contributing with the small circle I can? Ive let the weight of those people who died and suffered for my humanity be an excuse to shut myself out and hide in a cave. And I’ve become more bitter and uglier a person for it. I can’t deny my feelings but I have to start channeling them towards making people’s lives around me qualitatively better through what skills I can develop and what little I can do, that’s probably going to be a better way and will do more to save amazing people like Ahed and carry on the legacy of the Arab spring than sitting around and shaking my fist at the sky. I’ll try my best to not post while I’m angry, and cut down on venom and insults that won’t benefit the conversation, and be colder in my analysis. But I’ll also be taking a break more often to focus on real life and contributing in real ways to push the cause of humanity forward in what little way I can control and be an example to face the world as it is bravely the way Ahed does. I have to learn from her strength and dignity and do what little I can on the world I live in. So happy New Years to you guys, take care of yourselves and your health, and let’s work for a better world for free people in what little way we can. And since I have a few squeaky minutes before it’s time for the resolution to kick in, here’s the last bit of venom I’d like to indulge in:- 1) gently caress all fascists I hope they all die. 2) death to the Zionist regime. 3) I hope everybody involved in making this video gets cancer and herpes:- https://twitter.com/saudiarabia/status/947446679451656192 Have a happy New Years!
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Happy New Year!
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Welcome back Saqr. We missed you in here. Happy New year.
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I'm a total dumb layman who knows nothing and is cobbling this post together from half-remembered stuff over the course of a couple years from probably super inaccurate western media sources, so please be gentle: My understanding is that Rouhanni's re-election was seen as a strong endorsement of the nuclear deal and further thawing ties with the West among the Iranian electorate. Also my understanding is that a lot of western governments, especially in the EU, might want to court a more friendly Iran as a "rising power," to check Russia's influence in the region and dampen the willingness of the Saudis to continue these really stupid destabilizing moves they are making by further removing Iran's pariah status and making it palatable to back them harder in some of these confrontations. Is it hopelessly naive of me to hope that given these protests are being reported as expressing outrage and anger just as strongly at the military and theocratic councils and courts that "oversee," the civilian government, that Rouhanni's regime will see this as an opportunity to gain ground against those two and make some kind of moves to push reforms that increase their power by tacking 'left?' It seems to me a brutal and bloody crackdown would be extremely counterproductive and undo a lot of what SEEMED to be this regime's goals since the Nuclear deal was signed, so why would they not try to harness this grassroots energy to empower themselves against the military and the theocracy?
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Ardennes posted:I think the hope is that, like Bolshevik Russia, revolutionary Iran would be too divided to carry on its proxy wars and its opponents could then start rolling through any sign of resistance. It is just a part of the game.
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