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Zero Gravitas posted:Norway Where in Norway are you located? Bergen goon here. Just start hitting up Finn.no and apply for anything and everything. Also go to all the staffing/consulting agencies. Developers, coders and UX designers are in HUGE demand everywhere. I do recognize your situation, and a lot of it has to do with Norwegian work culture. I'm also temping at the moment, but I'm an uneducated computer janitor who has managed to pretend his way into a sysadmin position. Hit me up on PMs if you wanna chat, I might be able to give you some pointers.
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evobatman posted:Just start hitting up Finn.no and apply for anything and everything. Is there a list of country-specific job sites anywhere? Trying to browse indeed or glassdoor for jobs abroad doesn't give many results. Does each country in Europe use its own job board?
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If you need any more websites done, export it to thread goons. At minimum the job will be done well, and you’ll have someone outside the office to bitch with.
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Dec 30, 2017 17:22
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Zero Gravitas posted:I've managed to put my career in a field that has lots of jobs in the UK but virtually none in Norway Seriously. Not as if Norway is some magical fairyland, right? Just do the sensible thing and find a job in UK.
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Dec 30, 2017 18:33
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Zero Gravitas posted:Pretty difficult to persuade your Norwegian wife to move back to the place you left only in July with all your stuff, not least because childcare here is chump change compared to the UK. Can you just check out at work and find fulfillment elsewhere? Let apathy wrap you in its warm blanket-like embrace while at work. Millions (billions?) of people do it every day.
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Zero Gravitas posted:... unhappy with job in Norway ... If you did the 'meh job' using their lovely methods, would you be able to not go insane and keep your job for a long time? If so, try to power through it. Perhaps you will gain their trust, and one day you'll be able to do things your way. These things take time. But if you think you'll go insane or if job security is far from certain, perhaps start working on your exit.
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If you happen to relocate to Oslo, send me a PM and I can probably set you up for an interview for a "large international technology consulting firm" that I work for. And if not in my company, pretty much every technology firm here are looking for more people, if you have relevant experience. If you don't speak/write at least basic Norwegian, that should probably be your first goal, especially in the consulting business. Sorry if this was a derail!
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Zero Gravitas posted:Pretty difficult to persuade your Norwegian wife to move back to the place you left only in July with all your stuff, not least because childcare here is chump change compared to the UK. That being the case, there is no easy answer. You have to weigh your situation and decide for yourself what is truly important for you. John Smith fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Dec 31, 2017 06:03
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gently caress off, John Smith.
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therobit posted:gently caress off, John Smith.  Ah, such a productive and meaningful exchange.I really do think that it is all you this time around though? But not sure how the other forum folks see it.
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John Smith posted:But not sure how the other forum folks see it. As usual, you are the only one who doesn't realize you're wrong, rude and unhelpful.
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Motronic posted:As usual, you are the only one who doesn't realize you're wrong, rude and unhelpful. But in this specific case, I think my post is actively constructive. He made some decisions, which significantly constraints him. From his post, he apparently didn't realize the extent of these constraints beforehand. Now that he realizes it, he must weigh his preferences and decide on a trade-off. He cannot achieve everything, so no point bemoaning that. Instead, he should select his most important preference and accept the trade-offs.
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therobit posted:gently caress off, John Smith. Emptyquote this forever.
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I think John Smith is hinting at this question: "What was your back-up plan if your gig in Norway didn't work out?" and if there was no back-up plan: "Have a back-up plan in the future." I'm not victim blaming here. But my dad was in a similar situation once (poo poo job, forced to do it because my mom pressured him into it) and the poo poo job ruined his health, ultimately his marriage, and it was a step back in terms of career development. He resents her and his old job to this day, 17 years after it all happened, and I get to hear his stories at least every other week. It's like talking to somebody with PTSD. Bottom line: You need to strike a balance between emotional health, physical health, career. Try to not work yourself into a corner where one of these gets thrown out the window. I'm a stranger so I don't know what balance is right for you.
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theHUNGERian posted:I think John Smith is hinting at this question: "What was your back-up plan if your gig in Norway didn't work out?" and if there was no back-up plan: "Have a back-up plan in the future." Basically, my point is that he ***cannot*** achieve all his objectives. Therefore, he must weight the different objectives and accept the trade-offs. Below links offer more detail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal_decision Right now, he (and some of the posters?) seems to be trying to find a solution that ends up with him happy (all objectives met). He should abandon such an attempt because it cannot be done and said failure to achieve it will only distress him and waste his resources. But you know, apparently not suggesting a magical fairyland is beyond the pale here in SA. drat, you guys are real hardcore leftists? Nothing is ever anybody's fault, and nothing can ever be done about anything. I am not sure how some of you function in real life.
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John Smith posted:Sort of. But I was thinking more that he should have researched the situation in Norway more clearly before he went. Unless he did realize that it is very difficult to find a job in his industry in Norway, and yet still went. Well, then we disagree, and that's ok. Happiness is totally achievable. https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy
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Soren Kierkegaard posted:"I see it all perfectly; there are two possible situations — one can either do this or that. My honest opinion and my friendly advice is this: do it or do not do it — you will regret both.” Soren Kierkegaard also posted:Marry, and you will regret it; don’t marry, you will also regret it; marry or don’t marry, you will regret it either way. Laugh at the world’s foolishness, you will regret it; weep over it, you will regret that too; laugh at the world’s foolishness or weep over it, you will regret both. Believe a woman, you will regret it; believe her not, you will also regret it… Hang yourself, you will regret it; do not hang yourself, and you will regret that too; hang yourself or don’t hang yourself, you’ll regret it either way; whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both. This, gentlemen, is the essence of all philosophy. He went to Norway, now he hits a hard time. He knows this. Stop kicking a man who is down.
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theHUNGERian posted:Well, then we disagree, and that's ok. Happiness is totally achievable. https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy Keetron posted:He went to Norway, now he hits a hard time. He knows this. Stop kicking a man who is down. The dinner plate broke. It broke specifically because you dropped the dinner plate onto the floor. It didn't magically break. In order for the dinner plate to not break in the future, you must first identify and address the cause(s) that led to it breaking. Stating that the dinner plate broke because he dropped it is not hostile (aka therobit, Motronic, Jordan7hm) nor kicking him (aka Keetron). Once again, I don't fully appreciate how some of you survive in the real world. But maybe I am the one at fault for misunderstanding. Are you saying that it is not true [A], or are you saying that it is rude to say aloud such truths [B]?
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John Smith posted:No, you misunderstood me. I meant that he cannot achieve happiness if it is defined as perfectly meeting all of his objectives. Instead, he should accept that real-world constraints apply and set a realistic objective. When I break a diner plate, I fix up some other way to loving eat before writing a goddamn diatribe about how I’m too smart to ever break a dinner plate, you pantshitting shitfucker.
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therobit posted:Be careful not to cut yourself on that edge, John. FrozenVent posted:When I break a diner plate, I fix up some other way to loving eat before writing a goddamn diatribe about how I’m too smart to ever break a dinner plate, you pantshitting shitfucker. Of course even someone of my calibre can make mistakes. I make mistakes all the time, both bad and numerous. My point is that you learn from your mistakes and work towards success. Which many of you take great offence at. Zero Gravitas should address his current career situation and take protective measures for the future. One does not preclude the other. But still, the strong SA consensus does seem to differ. I think I probably misjudged the political tone here, even more than I had thought. Fair enough.
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Can you fuckers stop replying to the Alexandr rereg, thank you and namaste.
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I can't confirm but I have a good gut feeling that John Smith posted something stupid again.
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Zero Gravitas posted:John Smith, in the nicest possible sense, please go and gently caress your hat. I'm pretty sure he's doing that constantly. While lecturing the hat that if it didn't want to wind up in a life of being hosed constantly by a randroid, it shouldn't have chosen to be a hat. Good luck, anyway. Hopefully you can find something in Norway where you won't have to deal with the poo poo storm that is brexit back here
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Fil5000 posted:I'm pretty sure he's doing that constantly. While lecturing the hat that if it didn't want to wind up in a life of being hosed constantly by a randroid, it shouldn't have chosen to be a hat. Jumping on that, can you already notice the Brexit fallout in the UK at the moment? On the other side of the North Sea people are happy to see a bunch of Euro centric companies come and move their headquarters from London to Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Brussels but how is stuff going down in the labor market in the UK?
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Keetron posted:Jumping on that, can you already notice the Brexit fallout in the UK at the moment? On the other side of the North Sea people are happy to see a bunch of Euro centric companies come and move their headquarters from London to Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Brussels but how is stuff going down in the labor market in the UK? I don't feel like anything has really hit yet. Given the promise of a two year transition arrangement I think a lot of companies are focusing on mid/long term plans rather than making immediate moves. I know in my field I was getting calls from recruiters in November and December, which is later than usual, but I don't know if that's positions that would normally be getting filled by EU citizens who aren't taking a chance on the UK or if it's companies that were holding off on staffing calls until there was a bit more certainty in the negotiations or something else entirely.
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Zero Gravitas posted:I do quite like being told that accomodating my wife and kid in this process is "making a series of ill considered decisions." Unless you knew and accepted that the risk was not only present, but considerable (given the lack of relevant alternative positions due to Norway's economic structure). In which case, fair enough. But you wedged yourself into a tough spot (even if for a good reason, family), now you must accept that you cannot meet all of your objectives. John Smith fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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John Smith posted:But still, the strong SA consensus does seem to differ. I think I probably misjudged the political tone here, even more than I had thought. Fair enough. People, even you, aren't acknowledging that they're only hearing half the story, when there's three sides: ZG's side, the company side, and the truth. And there's always the undertone in peoples posts that 'I'm underutilized, underpaid, not doing what I was hired to do, didn't get the corner office on the first day, if I leave the company falls apart, etc etc etc' and other (admittedly) hyperbole. Maybe dude got hired and the company realized he couldn't do the thing he was hired to do, maybe it's all a test to see how he handles adversity, or simply his FJD changed for *reasons they (or he) hasn't shared*. Or its a simple case of being an unreliable narrator. Hell, I'll hire a brand new hot shot $80,000 a year salary project manager and make him or her do the most mundane tasks just to see if they CAN do the simple stuff to instruction and not whinge about it (why yes, you ARE going to be tasked with going to all the company vehicles and making sure all are up to date on maintenance and in good working order instead of the shiny new project we were just awarded). I want to make sure you can handle a simple A through C before I give you the reigns to a complex A through Z (resume and/or education be damned). The proverbial you has to pay your dues. Suck it up, princess. All that said, go against the SA hivemind groupthink, and you'll surely hear about it. Probably even get probated for it.
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Tide posted:The proverbial you has to pay your dues. Suck it up, princess.
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:imagine being the person who sees john smith's posts I was this kind of person once and then I blocked them and y'all should too.
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Tide posted:People, even you, aren't acknowledging that they're only hearing half the story, when there's three sides: ZG's side, the company side, and the truth. And there's always the undertone in peoples posts that 'I'm underutilized, underpaid, not doing what I was hired to do, didn't get the corner office on the first day, if I leave the company falls apart, etc etc etc' and other (admittedly) hyperbole. Maybe dude got hired and the company realized he couldn't do the thing he was hired to do, maybe it's all a test to see how he handles adversity, or simply his FJD changed for *reasons they (or he) hasn't shared*. Or its a simple case of being an unreliable narrator. so basically either your company doesn't know how to evaluate candidates for the skills needed for a job or takes highly capable people and hazes them through a series of meaningless tasks to "earn" the right to do the work they were hired to do?
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Yeah I get the whole "earning your due" thing for interns and entry level, but testing project managers is supposed to be part of the hiring process. If I caught you sending an 80k /yr project manager to check vehicle maintenance record, a job best suited for a maintenance helper at 30k / yr, I'd give you a earful.
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