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The Glumslinger posted:What states are they primarily moving to? Besides Florida, obviously Trabisnikof posted:I could see us doing some massive cruise missile strikes where we try to blow up their entire long range missile program and nuclear program at once. And Republicans would play it like the israeli strike on iraq's nuclear reactors and to be honest, the media would eat that poo poo up. The "some strong man had to stop crazy kim" narrative will play strong domestically. GWBBQ fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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The thing about Donald Trump is that in his heart he's a hardcore pussy and he's not going to start anything with anybody
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Iowa Snow King posted:The thing about Donald Trump is that in his heart he's a hardcore pussy and he's not going to start anything with anybody Well, there was that one time with the missile strike in Syria.
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I wore out my atomic anxiety back in the eighties. Getting nuked would be the only way for me to become a part of history.
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GWBBQ posted:Connecticut already has a large Puerto Rican population (around 7% or 250,000 people) and I think we've gotten somewhere around 23,000 after Maria because so many have family here. Not the highest population by number, but I think we have the biggest PR population by percentage. No way NK would do nothing, they'd have to retaliate somehow. But if they shell some stupid island or blow up an American military aircraft, will we escalate again or disengage? Iowa Snow King posted:The thing about Donald Trump is that in his heart he's a hardcore pussy and he's not going to start anything with anybody I agree, if Trump had to actually do any of this in person, he'd chicken out. But just like firing people, Trump has no problem doing things if he can get his servants to do the leg work. Trump couldn't tell a bunch of people to go on a suicide mission, but he has no problem ordering Mattis to tell them instead.
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7c Nickel posted:Ehh... North Korea aint gonna launch first. They'll dickwave for the home audience but that's it. If Trump tries to do something dumb that could potentially get an American city nuked, I actually feel the military would just say no. I'm saying I think the US under Trump will strike first even though the rest of the world will be really unhappy about it. Pellisworth posted:On the other hand Trump is absolutely enough of a moron to order a conventional (probably not nuclear) first strike against NK. Whether the US military is able to prevent him from doing that, who knows. According to the article I posted an hour or two ago Trump already wants to attack NK and has for months but Mattis, McMaster and Kelly have been talking him out of it. From the former JCoS Chairman: "My concern is how long that actually lasts," Mullen said, adding that, at some point, Trump may be inclined to ignore advice from his top national security advisers that runs counter to his own instincts.
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Darth Walrus posted:Well, there was that one time with the missile strike in Syria. oh yeah i remember that! it was an abandoned air field that hit no important targets because the targets were warned about the strike beforehand and amounted to nothing more than an embarrassing "show of force" that everyone instantly forgot about because nothing was lost except the cost of the missles. hail taxpayers!
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CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:oh yeah i remember that! it was an abandoned air field that hit no important targets because the targets were warned about the strike beforehand and amounted to nothing more than an embarrassing "show of force" that everyone instantly forgot about because nothing was lost except the cost of the missles. hail taxpayers! Actually firing those missiles was cheaper than decommissioning them so actually trump saved the taxpayers money 
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Trabisnikof posted:I could see us doing some massive cruise missile strikes where we try to blow up their entire long range missile program and nuclear program at once. And Republicans would play it like the israeli strike on iraq's nuclear reactors and to be honest, the media would eat that poo poo up. The "some strong man had to stop crazy kim" narrative will play strong domestically. International community? Probably nothing besides issuing statements, just not worth the hassle. Maybe some symbolic sanctions against Kushner's businesses or something. Now NK...
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7c Nickel posted:Miami is straight hosed though.
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Iowa Snow King posted:The thing about Donald Trump is that in his heart he's a hardcore pussy and he's not going to start anything with anybody maybe. if he thinks he can get away(quick super strike) he will do it. but like you said he is a giant pussy who doesnt want the fallout(probably literally) so he is stuck between his greed/vanity and his cowardice. trump will strike first if he can. my fear is if magical COD/tom clancy poo poo happens and russia starts invading eastern europe because they think they can and trump just sits there and does nothing.
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Trabisnikof posted:I could see us doing some massive cruise missile strikes where we try to blow up their entire long range missile program and nuclear program at once. And Republicans would play it like the israeli strike on iraq's nuclear reactors and to be honest, the media would eat that poo poo up. The "some strong man had to stop crazy kim" narrative will play strong domestically. Unleash hell with all the batteries and cold war era weaponry they have hidden in in the mountains, underground, in populated areas, and generally where ever they thought it would be necessary to stash them to deter an invasion. South Korea would get loving wrecked. Even if Seoul has a bomb shelter in every building it doesn't mean that large portions of the country won't be leveled. The international community probably won't like that. Beyond that China will probably poo poo a brick and do something unhealthy for the US. And our economy is going to tank even if they don't. War's are expensive for everyone except for the contractors they use them to pad their pockets. The reason why no nation wants the responsibility of invading North Korea though is that the clean up effort is going to take billions of dollars at the very least. The country is so utterly rear end backwards and messed up that we're talking about a decade or more of rehabilitating the proper infrastructure that keeps people from dying of dysentery or starvation. And that's before the military starts air striking the poo poo out of the place and removing what infrastructure is necessary for people to live as part of the war effort/Trump's desperate attempt to boost his ratings in the polls. And this is if Trump doesn't just pull a PR and convince the GOP to help push for leaving the natives to die/call it a finished effort without doing any sort of reconstruction work. Long story short, it's a bad situation all around. The only group that'd conceivably win in the short or long term would be Russia. Who would get to see us put ourselves into a really deep hole after we sanctioned the poo poo out of them economically and pretty much leveled their economy due to some of the nasty poo poo they pulled on their neighbors. Which kept them from being even more militaristic-ally expansionistic towards the nations near them for the duration of Obama's years in office. Archonex fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Archonex posted:Unleash hell with all the batteries and cold war era weaponry they have hidden in in the mountains, underground, in populated areas, and generally where ever they thought it would be necessary to stash them to deter an invasion. I believe it’s been mentioned before that North Korea’s conventional artillery is unlikely to be able to do a vast amount of damage to Seoul. If they chuck a nuke across the border, though...
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Since we're doing this again: Buy stake in Chinese semiconductors if you can.
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Darth Walrus posted:I believe it’s been mentioned before that North Korea’s conventional artillery is unlikely to be able to do a vast amount of damage to Seoul. Wait wait wait - where are you getting that from? Everything I'd heard had suggested the opposite.
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Darth Walrus posted:I believe it’s been mentioned before that North Korea’s conventional artillery is unlikely to be able to do a vast amount of damage to Seoul. If they chuck a nuke across the border, though... Yeah, I feel I should point out that even old cold war era artillery can straight up loving level a building if it gets a solid hit in. And by all accounts North Korea has been doing a lot of black market trading with Russia and China over the past few decades. Hell, there's been entire exposes on how the country is basically reliant on it for a portion of it's populace to keep existing. So who knows what else they have stashed away. There's a reason why Seoul apparently has bomb shelters in just about every building's basement. Because even if it's mandated that the buildings are to be built with an eye towards sustained artillery bombardment you still have to deal with the fact that all it takes is a single shell to ignite something and soften up the interior (or just knock out a few floors) to make it come crashing down like the World Trade Center did. If they start shelling Seoul odds are there's going to be a lot of emergency workers racing against time to dig people out before they suffocate to death. And that's before you consider the possibility of NK's own nationalists just saying gently caress it and deploying whatever nukes they have on hand against SK or an invading force. Lord knows they don't give a poo poo about what it might do to their populace. So they probably wouldn't be stopped by pesky little things like morals or ethics. Archonex fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Darth Walrus posted:I believe it’s been mentioned before that North Korea’s conventional artillery is unlikely to be able to do a vast amount of damage to Seoul. If they chuck a nuke across the border, though... yup a north korean conventional strike out of the blue would do some significant damage but all of the "the country would be LEVELED" hysteria relies on the south korean military basically not existing let alone taking even the most basic counterbattery measures, and it turns out that south korea also has a massive military with modern technology who has been gaming their response to this exact scenario for the last half century like, south korea isn't going to just sit there and get shelled until the UN comes riding to the rescue. north korea has fairly antiquated artillery, where the south has modern touches like drones and precision guided munitions which will make any north korean bombardment rapidly get shut down
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boner confessor posted:yup No one said the country would be leveled. Just that there'd be a poo poo ton of civilian casualties if North Korea decided to follow through on it's threats. Which is exactly what anyone with even a remotely sane viewpoint has been trying to avoid for so long.
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Trump is just going to throw that menu away and be like "bring me the drive thru menu"
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Ashmole posted:Trump is just going to throw that menu away and be like "bring me the drive thru menu" Sir this is a KFC.
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Archonex posted:No one said the country would be leveled. you did Archonex posted:South Korea would get loving wrecked. Even if Seoul has a bomb shelter in every building it doesn't mean that large portions of the country won't be leveled. The international community probably won't like that. shut up
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CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:oh yeah i remember that! it was an abandoned air field that hit no important targets because the targets were warned about the strike beforehand and amounted to nothing more than an embarrassing "show of force" that everyone instantly forgot about because nothing was lost except the cost of the missles. hail taxpayers! Archonex posted:South Korea would get loving wrecked. Even if Seoul has a bomb shelter in every building it doesn't mean that large portions of the country won't be leveled. The international community probably won't like that.  Bottom line, you're still probably looking at 50,000 to 200,000 dead and hundreds of thousands more injured, but talk of leveling Seoul and killing millions or tens of millions is sensational nonsense.
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boner confessor posted:you did If you don't think one of South Korea's primary cities getting blown to hell by North Korea wouldn't wreck their economy or destabilize the general state of life in South Korean then I don't even know what to do with you. Never mind if some of the rumors coming out of NK are true; that the artillery batteries that are supposedly stashed away are also pointing at the general countryside in range of the DMZ. Is it going to end South Korea? No. But it would be a huge loving mess and would leave the country in shambles economically for at least a few years. And the fact that you want to get pedantic over your own personal definition of what I said is honestly kind of dumb as hell. GWBBQ posted:A lot of if it is poorly maintained, and they would be lucky to get one shot off with a lot of pieces, nevermind more than that. Then there's the stuff that looks bad from satellite imagery but not so threatening when you see it from ground level You do realize that the concern isn't what can be seen by satellite but instead what they have hidden out of sight and have potentially traded for over the years, right? Also, what the gently caress. 50,000 to 200,000 dead is a really loving big deal.  To put that in perspective a smaller city in the US like Baltimore has roughly 600,000 people in it. A larger city like New York has over 8 million. As of 2015 the population of Seoul was almost 10 million. And parts of Seoul are far more densely packed population wise. That's still death and devastation on an unthinkable scale no matter how you try to rephrase it.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/947665678466723842?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E1 Is Disney aware he's missing?
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GWBBQ posted:Bottom line, you're still looking at 50,000 to 200,000 dead and hundreds of thousands more injured, i think that's a bit high also, but otherwise agreed north korea can't do substantial damage to south korea without making some odd decisions that would end in the destruction of the north korean state, like using nuclear weapons or some kind of irrational mass suicide charge Archonex posted:And the fact that you want to get pedantic over your own personal definition of what I said is honestly kind of dumb as hell. im sorry that you're embarrassed i pointed out you're being hysterical and also that you can't remember your own argument between subsequent posts, but further posting on this topic is pointless north korea has no capability to destroy seoul short of nuking it, which they wont do. put down the tom clancy fanfic
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Avalanche posted:This actually describes a lot of people from military families and you would be surprised how rational and sane a lot of the people in the armed forces are. Pretty much everyone in my family including the women are all active duty or prior military service. They like their guns, and bombs, fighter jets and killing assholes but also believe in pensions, unions, retirement, universal healthcare, apprenticeships/on the job training, higher education, maternity leave, paid time off, paid sick leave, vaccinations, the CDC/NIH/VA/FDA/[insert other government regulatory or health agency], promotions based on merit and experience level, and overall uprooting corruption wherever it may exist. This is from a few pages ago, but while this is nice to hear, the polls show that the military is still staunchly and overwhelmingly Republican. This goes across all divisons too.
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I don't know dude. It's winter and communists are really really good at sending in wave after wave of suicide troops.
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Data Graham posted:I DON’T HAVE A NUKE BUTTON ON MY DESK. HOW COME I DON’T HAVE A NUKE BUTTON ON MY DESK? that would be hilarious. The presidents desk used to have the nuke button. they repurposes it for trump and just told him its always been the coke button 
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Mustached Demon posted:I don't know dude. It's winter and communists are really really good at sending in wave after wave of suicide troops. If my days playing Command and Conquer taught me anything it's that what you really need to watch out for are the war zeppelins and para-dropped bears.
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Archonex posted:If my days playing Command and Conquer taught me anything it's that what you really need to watch out for are the war zeppelins and para-dropped bears. Only hope is to start massing jet pack dudes as soon as you hear Kirov Reporting.
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https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/947590988721254405 In conclusion, the presidency is a land of contrast.
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GWBBQ posted:I've heard that the missiles were at the end of their shelf life anyway, so they if they didn't fire them they would have just been decommissioned. That was still enough of a deterrent for them to hang on until they got their nukes in a row. Now they could very easily take out millions. The fact of the matter is that North Korea won. The regime gets to continue existing without too much fear from external threats. That's why unless you're actually willing to go to war, making complete regime change your foreign policy tends to backfire.
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