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I have a number of left wing, "westernized", secular Iranian friends who hate the current Iranian government. To the last one they all agree they would quite willingly go home to Iran and take up arms to kill the MEK if they invade Iran. They're a total dead end.
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Rust Martialis posted:I have a number of left wing, "westernized", secular Iranian friends who hate the current Iranian government. To the last one they all agree they would quite willingly go home to Iran and take up arms to kill the MEK if they invade Iran. They're a total dead end. I'm expecting the MEK and Ahmadinejad to be the scapegoats for this if the government attempts a national crackdown.
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Sinteres posted:The MEK is how you say Ahmed Chalabi in Farsi,
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Jan 1, 2018 11:50
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https://twitter.com/maziarbahari/status/947800278358732800 They're going to have to find someone better to rally around than Reza Shah, that's for sure. Hopefully some voices will come out organically to provide some better examples of people who oppose the clerical system.
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no one who is backed by the US will ever be viable e: no one's ever going to forget the US' support for saddam during the war, mossadegh or the fourty odd years where they've threatened to bomb us into submission or simply plain off the map. spaceships fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Volkerball posted:https://twitter.com/maziarbahari/status/947800278358732800 His regime was a nightmare, but to be fair old monarchs aren't atypical choices to use as symbols of public unity against their dictatorial successors. It's generally not a sincere desire to go back to being ruled by them so much as an expression of contempt for the new guys. New leadership is obviously necessary if this thing continues (though granting too much credit to an individual for rallying the public is how you get the country blindly supporting a guy like Khomeini in the first place), but right now any individual they could choose is likely to either be a discredited exile or someone the regime could target, unless they start peeling away regime or security figures and find a Yeltsin (who obviously posed problems of his own, but at least in Iran he'd be less likely to be a drunk). spaceships posted:no one who is backed by the US will ever be viable Yeah, this is accurate. The MEK, in addition to their other problems, stopped caring about what the Iranian people care about in favor of creating a Western-friendly foreign policy platform. The Iranian people may be sick of fighting in Syria, but it doesn't mean they want to suddenly embrace the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia.
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Obviously secret agents are secret and I'm sure the CIA has "assets" in Tehran, but Iran takes counterintelligence seriously and was sufficiently cut off from the West for long enough that I don't think it would actually be possible for the US or anyone else to "manufacture" protests on this scale and I think it would be incredibly stupid for anyone actually on the CIA payroll to get involved.
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Sinteres posted:His regime was a nightmare, but to be fair old monarchs aren't atypical choices to use as symbols of public unity against their dictatorial successors. It's generally not a sincere desire to go back to being ruled by them so much as an expression of contempt for the new guys. A lot of it seems to be specifically related to the Shah's "secularism." I've seen some people passing around a lot of those old pre-79 photos of Iran with the nice infrastructure and the women dressing how they want. The Shah's crackdown in the 70's isn't something the younger generation experienced. The regime they've lived under has been the regime of the clerics. The protests seem to reflect that. There's a lot of demonstrations that involve women getting rid of their hijab, because doing so is a symbol of resistance against the clerics. That's where I see Reza Pahlavi getting dragged into this. He's a symbol for an Iran that did not live under strict laws in accordance with the IRI's revolutionary principles, and people are championing that. That doesn't mean their end goal is the establishment of a monarchy, and certainly not the establishment of a puppet government for the US. I'll tell you though, Reza Pahlavi for his part seems to be trying to swoop in as the exiled Khomeini figure. He's been tweeting like a mad man.
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nevermind the fact the shah was a tyrant
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spaceships posted:nevermind the fact the shah was a tyrant https://twitter.com/potkazar/status/946416310409465858 I think they're overlooking that part for now.
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spaceships posted:nevermind the fact the shah was a tyrant Minor details. Same for his secret police. E: maybe they don't count his son as a tyrant because he never got the chance to rule as one? 
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El Disco posted:Minor details. Same for his secret police. the SAVAK? i hardly knew her! ahaha *wipes sweat off brow*
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If they want secularism they shoulda been calling for the Tudeh party, not the Shah.
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It's probably worth remembering that the vast majority of Iranians are obviously Muslims, and any call for secularism probably doesn't mean the kind of secularism we have in the West, but just a relatively moderate involvement of Islam in politics relative to the current situation. Yeah, maybe there are some young protesters who'd like to take it beyond that, but they may not reflect the broader protest movement, and the broader protest movement itself may not reflect Iranian society as a whole.
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There's been a revival of what could be called Iranian cultural nationalism: reminders that Iran existed before the Islamic Republic and even before Islam, and so that Iran doesn't need to be defined by its current regime. The Shah is just another symbol of a different Iran from the current one.
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Cat Mattress posted:There's been a revival of what could be called Iranian cultural nationalism: reminders that Iran existed before the Islamic Republic and even before Islam, and so that Iran doesn't need to be defined by its current regime. The Shah is just another symbol of a different Iran from the current one. Good because one of the things I want to do before I die is tour Persepolis.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947810806430826496 He's more fixated on this then I thought he'd be.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947810806430826496 The Iran nuclear deal was his major foreign policy beef during the campaign. While in office he's been ultra friendly with Israel, while orbing up in Saudi Arabia. I think he cares way more about Iran than NK, its just that Kim knows how to bait Trump better than most. I'd imagine a lot of Trump's advisors and hangers on think of Iran as Enemy #1.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947810806430826496 Lol the ayatollahs must be loving this. Meanwhile, in the only gulf country with actual politics in it, the Kuwaiti parliament are fighting the government tooth and nail over the plan to have a value added tax system, basically they’re saying ‘ no taxation without representation” https://twitter.com/shahryar0_0/status/947860205483814917 It should be interesting to see how Kuwaitis deal with this.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947810806430826496 He's desperate for anything he can spin as a "win", and he's absolutely going to take 200% of the credit for this if anything close to a revolution happens.
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lol, pro-regime protests are being passed off as anti-regime and there's a video from bahrain in '11 (and a few from latin america) being circulated as iranian protesters making GBS threads on the regime. someone also posted a picture from an iranian movie where a woman is kicking riot police and claimed it was from the protests. this is a poo poo storm to wade through.
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Are you in country spaceships? What's your take on what the protesters on the the street want? Is there a unified call to action or are different regions protesting different things?
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I am a curious Irannoob. Iran is a small coalition autocracy with 85% of it's exports related to oil. Is there any chance of these protests achieving positive reform?
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Yadoppsi posted:Are you in country spaceships? What's your take on what the protesters on the the street want? Is there a unified call to action or are different regions protesting different things? i am not, but my pops is. it's hard to figure out whether or not there's actually a unified call to action, but the common thread everywhere is the economy, that much i can be almost certain of. it's incredibly hard to decipher the information coming out, between the blatant lies from regime change propagandists and the regimes own propaganda. the amount of lies and disinformation circulating social media makes me wary of the actual situation there, and there are some things i just can't figure out; why are certain hardliners in favor of the protests, in the same vein as neo cons, the MEK and the people who genuinely want reforms. no one really knows anything and i'm slowly but surely losing my mind. Preen Dog posted:I am a curious Irannoob. rouhani is clearly willing to engage, at least publically, with the protesters, so depending on what happens from here on out, something might come of this. i can't say what it is, though. spaceships fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Lol the US MEK affiliate just posted this video. Behold, the criminal masterminds behind this uprising. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjQALPeEXKY
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The amount of disinformation, propaganda and flat out lying coming out of people who really want this to be the end of the ayatollahs is really embarrassing, there’s like now paid sponsored twitter ads trying real hard to sell this. I am not going to give any credence to text statements on twitter.
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FAUXTON posted:Good because one of the things I want to do before I die is tour Persepolis. You can, unless you're Israeli or have an Israeli stamp on your current passport. But Americans have to have a scheduled itinerary. You aren't free to wander the country. If you do go the general rule of thumb is that the country gets more hardline the further south you go. Act accordingly.
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Yeah it's ridiculous. I knew the bent of a lot of people prior to these protests, but there's also a ton of newly anointed experts running around. It's a bullshit minefield.
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https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/947912469028245505 Most people have the total death toll at around 15 over all days. Edit: https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/947914035357417472 Volkerball fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Preen Dog posted:
It seems to me that the best case scenario is that the government violently cracks down on all dissent with lots of people getting killed and setting the country backwards culturally by a few decades.
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Trump and Netanyahu having publicly voiced their support for the protestors, the protests are doomed.
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Some videos that are making the rounds that I haven't seen called out for being mislabeled. https://twitter.com/4FreedominIran/status/947895331294973952 https://twitter.com/Masoud_Dalvand/status/947899571258167298 https://twitter.com/VOAIran/status/947919033445347328 https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/947918231746072578 https://twitter.com/masihpooyan/status/947902349229531136 https://twitter.com/iranwire/status/947898486720221185
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Can’t wait to see what happens in Afghanistan if this guy gets his way:- https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/947802588174577664
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Looks like goonlord Khomeini is going to take a stab at getting this thing under control. https://twitter.com/maziarbahari/status/947949807720640512 https://twitter.com/SharghDaily/status/947936570325323777 That should do it.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947810806430826496 make iran great again
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Sanguinia posted:I'm a total dumb layman who knows nothing and is cobbling this post together from half-remembered stuff over the course of a couple years from probably super inaccurate western media sources, so please be gentle: My understanding is that Rouhanni's re-election was seen as a strong endorsement of the nuclear deal and further thawing ties with the West among the Iranian electorate. Also my understanding is that a lot of western governments, especially in the EU, might want to court a more friendly Iran as a "rising power," to check Russia's influence in the region and dampen the willingness of the Saudis to continue these really stupid destabilizing moves they are making by further removing Iran's pariah status and making it palatable to back them harder in some of these confrontations.
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