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Ainsley McTree posted:There is; it’s watching a blm cast nothing but fire/blizzard 3 3 is higher than 1 and 2 and therefore better. Checkmate! 
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TFRazorsaw posted:Give the Qiqirn their own Primal, Square. I have to wonder what if there will be a 3rd Beast Tribe for SB this time around. Nagas are assuredly the next ones to come, but since they only come about if their race has a Primal (HW Moogles skirt this with having a Moogle primal rather than theirs), I have to wonder if we're just getting two. Or...what else could be given a Primal for the rest of the SB expac?
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah that’s what I was referring to. Though I don’t play drk much so I don’t know how much of an issue it really is I grinded out the last five levels of whm over the weekend using dungeon runs and not one drk complained about my holy spam. The winning tank was a war in Shisui though. Always went for max pulls and his hp bar almost never budged even with just a Regen on him. If only every war had conquered the hp rollercoaster.
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Rastan Beeza posted:I have to wonder what if there will be a 3rd Beast Tribe for SB this time around. Nagas are assuredly the next ones to come, but since they only come about if their race has a Primal (HW Moogles skirt this with having a Moogle primal rather than theirs), I have to wonder if we're just getting two. Nagas are already confirmed for the next one. I'm guessing the third is catfish people. The next Primals (akin to the Triad it seems) appear to be the Four Directional Gods though. (Byakko, Genbu, Seiryu, and Suzaku. Byakko is confirmed and Seiryu is mentioned in the Dragoon questline.)
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So, which jobs would you say feel the most protagonist-y? SMN seems an obvious one - it’s iconically Final Fantasy as hell (with a few twists to underline that you’re the hero, not a means for demonic Pokémon to aid the team), and it’s directly tied into a whole bunch of main-story elements - the legacy of Allag, the beastman wars, the Ascians’ machinations, and even the Calamity. RDM too, I guess - another iconic Final Fantasy role with a folk-hero aesthetic that combines the might of all three lost magical civilisations (plus some badass swordplay) into a single person, and strikes a middle-ground between light and dark, which is probably going to be important given that the story is heavily hinting that it can only end with a reconciliation between Hydaelyn and Zodiark. DRK is another option - it’s a tank job, which means you’ll be personally duelling all the big nasties while your buddies back you up, and has a storyline that’s intensely personal and ties directly into the main story’s events - supporting characters don’t generally get as much emotional depth as the protagonist. Any other thoughts?
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So what is the best way to use Shelltron? Just hit 52 and got it and i'm just kinda using it whenever i have gauge for it ATM.
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Darth Walrus posted:So, which jobs would you say feel the most protagonist-y? SMN seems an obvious one - it’s iconically Final Fantasy as hell (with a few twists to underline that you’re the hero, not a means for demonic Pokémon to aid the team), and it’s directly tied into a whole bunch of main-story elements - the legacy of Allag, the beastman wars, the Ascians’ machinations, and even the Calamity. RDM too, I guess - another iconic Final Fantasy role with a folk-hero aesthetic that combines the might of all three lost magical civilisations (plus some badass swordplay) into a single person, and strikes a middle-ground between light and dark, which is probably going to be important given that the story is heavily hinting that it can only end with a reconciliation between Hydaelyn and Zodiark. DRK is another option - it’s a tank job, which means you’ll be personally duelling all the big nasties while your buddies back you up, and has a storyline that’s intensely personal and ties directly into the main story’s events - supporting characters don’t generally get as much emotional depth as the protagonist. I would say the most protagonisty is probably Paladin. It does a little bit of everything, has a super heroic general look, looks great in cutscenes, and in general looks great. It also gets to have more in-mechanic Big Hero Moments like catching the Susano sword. Summoner suffers from the honest fact that books super goofy in cutscenes that expect melee fighting. That said DRK I think fits the storyline the best especially since the DRK plotline actually finishes MSQ plots.
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ImpAtom posted:I would say the most protagonisty is probably Paladin. It does a little bit of everything, has a super heroic general look, looks great in cutscenes, and in general looks great. It also gets to have more in-mechanic Big Hero Moments like catching the Susano sword. Summoner suffers from the honest fact that books super goofy in cutscenes that expect melee fighting. Yeah, but that said, Final Fantasy protagonists with really goofy weapons are nothing new. Remember the underwater rugby player?
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The most protagonist-y class is the one with Holy and Assize. That's White Mage, with Red Mage far behind that.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:So what is the best way to use Shelltron? Just hit 52 and got it and i'm just kinda using it whenever i have gauge for it ATM. Use it when almost full on gauge so you're not wasting any gauge build. Use it for a tank buster because it's another layer of guaranteed mitigation. Rastan Beeza posted:Doing SB 4.1 has given me the most shocking revelation yet: Qiquirn is pronounced "Kek-urn," not "kii-kearn." I think it's just that Lyse knows first hand what happens when you don't include the beast tribes in to your regional politics and she's trying to avoid the situation the rest of Eorzea had become, which would become especially bad considering the state that Ala Mhigo itself is in. Plus the tribes themselves were likely given worse than what the Ala Mhigans got in the Imperial occupation. Skaw fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Isn't WOL mostly shown off as a Warrior in most trailer stuff they show up in though?
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I would say paladin, but there’s the small caveat that you’re a paladin with no particular faith to speak of (unless there’s something in the job quests I’m forgetting). So I guess DRK
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Jan 2, 2018 21:13
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Isn't WOL mostly shown off as a Warrior in most trailer stuff they show up in though? Yeah, but I was mainly thinking within the game itself, where WARs feel more like your big, strong buddy with the anger-management issues. They’re not exactly all that deep or tied all that closely to the main story. Besides, that might just be the Warrior of Darkness.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Isn't WOL mostly shown off as a Warrior in most trailer stuff they show up in though? According to the trailers, he's a Warrior that becomes a Dragoon for Heavensward and then he switches to Monk either for the entirety of Stormblood or to just fight Lyse on the hand of Rhalgr.
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Darth Walrus posted:So, which jobs would you say feel the most protagonist-y? I'd like to say PGL/MNK. (Obvious Bias as that's what I sarted with). Nothing more heroic and harking back to FF1 than being a wandering murderhobo that goes around punching people because they tell them to. Also WOL changes Jobs per expac, was a WAR for ARR, DRG in HW, SAM and MNK for SB.
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Jan 2, 2018 21:16
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PLD, WHM, SAM. DRG feels natural in HW.
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Jan 2, 2018 21:16
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Ainsley McTree posted:I would say paladin, but there’s the small caveat that you’re a paladin with no particular faith to speak of (unless there’s something in the job quests I’m forgetting). So I guess DRK This is more an issue with translation. Paladin isn't Paladin in Japanese. It's just a boring rear end Knight, which makes more sense in the context of the Sultansworn.
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BRD Felt pretty main charactery in hw with how the job quest followed you around from zone to zone, I was really surprised to find out that was not how it worked for every other job. Story wise though dragoon by far interweaves the best with the main plot line in hw and beyond. Its complicated though bc starting in desert land works the best storywise and you can’t do that and start lancer.
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Note Block posted:According to the trailers, he's a Warrior that becomes a Dragoon for Heavensward and then he switches to Monk either for the entirety of Stormblood or to just fight Lyse on the hand of Rhalgr. I’m still open to the theory that that’s the Warrior of Darkness, though, and you haven’t yet stopped following in his footsteps.
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Jan 2, 2018 21:20
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"Astrologian" because I am doing MSQ as an astrologian. QED.
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I hated the DPS I mentioned earlier because they kept running ahead and pulling aggro before I could actually do anything.
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Skaw posted:This is more an issue with translation. Paladin isn't Paladin in Japanese. It's just a boring rear end Knight, which makes more sense in the context of the Sultansworn. Hmm. They still have a bunch of holy-type powers though don’t they? Or are they translated differently in Japanese too?
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In the context of FF1 they were called Knight but had white magic because FF1 was just a japanese take on first[second?] edition D&D.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I hated the DPS I mentioned earlier because they kept running ahead and pulling aggro before I could actually do anything. If the DPS ever runs ahead of you just wait until they start fighting and then type 'one sec phone'
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Honestly speaking, if you're going by cliches, PLD/DRK would be the real main character because most of the time, axes are generally special weapon models for characters who use big swords and sometimes they do spears that way but they're never the main characters weapon, but spears and axes are often the sort of the bulky best buddy weapon. Staves are the designated female love interest healer party member, and casters + bow users in general are party members. Anything else isn't really represented enough to really establish strong cliches for, in my opinion. For a single pick as a choice, it has the be PLD. So many sprouts pick sword and board.
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Saint Freak posted:If the DPS ever runs ahead of you just wait until they start fighting and then type 'one sec phone' I was tanking a stone vigil normal once, being careful not to overpull on those hallways where the ice sprites pop up and ambush you, and the loving healer decides to run around the corner and helpfully grab them for me I was very very tempted to let him die but thought better of it at the last second. Just be a tank if you’re gonna be that much of a prima donna about the pace of a run
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Last page tank role ability chat revive - the aoe voke is extremely good in 4 mans.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Hmm. They still have a bunch of holy-type powers though don’t they? Or are they translated differently in Japanese too? HOOLY BOOLY posted:In the context of FF1 they were called Knight but had white magic because FF1 was just a japanese take on first[second?] edition D&D. Yeah it's more a hold-over from this, paired with a translation name based on toolkit that stuck. Saint Freak posted:If the DPS ever runs ahead of you just wait until they start fighting and then type 'one sec phone' I don't really care much for the pace a dungeon runs even though I prefer to get it over with as quickly as possible, but this is a move only shitters do as you're indirectly punishing two others by slowing the run down even more than it was already going by causing a dude to die and have to raise and continue on with weakness, or return and run back. Don't do this. It's incredibly petty and just makes your party agitated. Skaw fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:Last page tank role ability chat revive - the aoe voke is extremely good in 4 mans. Out of curiosity why is this? I admit I've never had an AoE provoking situation in 4 man. All three tank classes have trivial AoE aggro grabbing.
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Skaw posted:I don't really care much for the pace a dungeon runs even though I prefer to get it over with as quickly as possible, but this is a move only shitters do as you're indirectly punishing two others by slowing the run down even more than it was already going by causing a dude to die and have to raise and continue on with weakness, or return and run back. Don't do this. It's incredibly petty and just makes your party agitated. Found the sprout dps
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ImpAtom posted:I would say the most protagonisty is probably Paladin. It does a little bit of everything, has a super heroic general look, looks great in cutscenes, and in general looks great. It also gets to have more in-mechanic Big Hero Moments like catching the Susano sword. Summoner suffers from the honest fact that books super goofy in cutscenes that expect melee fighting. I switched from BLM to RDM in Stormblood specifically because I was tired of the goofy staff draw animations anytime a fight was breaking out in cutscenes, swords look much more heroic (and I'm pretty indifferent to swords in general). It must be awful for WHM since their combat stance is the weakest looking poo poo in the game.
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ImpAtom posted:I would say the most protagonisty is probably Paladin. It does a little bit of everything, has a super heroic general look, looks great in cutscenes, and in general looks great. It also gets to have more in-mechanic Big Hero Moments like catching the Susano sword. Summoner suffers from the honest fact that books super goofy in cutscenes that expect melee fighting. On the other hand, have you ever had someone hit you in the face with a giant book? Doesn't feel good. The best book clubbing is in Yanxia, right before Yugiri and the WoL try to commit suicide-by-Zenos for some reason. She runs around shanking his mook escorts, then the camera cuts to your character standing over a dead Garlean soldier with their book drawn, looking all smug. Then Zenos wakes up and everything goes to poo poo, of course, but then, what did you expect? That, or catching Susano's sword in the spine of your book. 
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Rastan Beeza posted:It's really funny that Lyse managed to somehow convince the spoken flesh eating rats of the Peaks, and that the representative is more cordial than the Quelayna. Which was a cool single Duty to do too. There's a FATE chain that shows that not all Qiqrn in that area eat people.
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I became what I hated today when I had to pull a bunch of trash the tank missed in Hullbreaker because he was going too fast and missing the mimic chests.
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I've not DPS pulled in Expert recently because that's pretty suicidal but I can't remember the last time I went into Alliance Roulette and haven't pulled ASAP regardless of my class at the time. People have a lot of pull paralysis in those places, even though the only place you might want to think about just organising first is Ozma or Dun Scaith (possibly). Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I've not DPS pulled in Expert recently because that's pretty suicidal but I can't remember the last time I went into Alliance Roulette and haven't pulled ASAP regardless of my class at the time. And the Atomos in LotA/WoD. Instapulling those is a good way to waste ten minutes of everyone's time when half of Alliance B doesn't show up before the area locks and then everyone has to stand around looking uncomfortable until the enrage.
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You should definitely pull atomos as soon as each party has 6-7 members because frankly the stragglers will waste more time than any loss of dps will. So long as you've got folks on the pad everything else is trivial.
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