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GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

Witty phrases on random basis
DRK 70 is one of the most cathartic quests in game. EAT poo poo ZEPHIRIN, HAURCHEFANT WILL BE AVENGED :black101:

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Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars
Would you recommend DRK as a first tank job to level to someone who never played tank? Or is it safer to start with some other class?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Dwesa posted:

Would you recommend DRK as a first tank job to level to someone who never played tank? Or is it safer to start with some other class?

DRK only starts at 30, so you’d be diving right in without a gentle buildup. Maybe practice with WAR or PLD first.

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Yeah if you've never tanked at all and then take a fresh drk into Brayflox it'll get pretty ugly. I'd at least level pld or war up to 15 or more first and dip your toes into a few dungeons. The rough basics are the same for all three, but drk's mp maintenance makes them more complicated to learn on top of learning tank 101 too.

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
I find DRK to be a bit less forgiving than the other tanks, but if you jump in at 30 and work your way up from Sastasha, et. al., you should be fine. No need to spend much time in there, but if you fly through a few dungeons and get the gist of things, they're not difficult.

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

I dunno, I just started yesterday and I think I'm getting the hang of it.

I mean I'm far from the best tank yet, but.

Kuvo
Oct 27, 2008

Blame it on the misfortune of your bark!
Fun Shoe
any tips on what i should be w/r/t gear when I get a DoH class to 70? Looks like my options are twinsilk(i290), yellow script job gear (i300), ala mhigan (i320), augmented ala mhigan (i320 5 slot). I assume i should try for all ala mhigan if i have gil to burn?

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
Twinsilk -> Get Yellow Scrip MHes, don't bother with the job-specific yellow scrip gear.
If you're a WVR specialist, you can work on making Ala Mhigan. Those recipes are currently gated to specialist-only at the moment, but may become ungated come 4.2X.

Augumented Ala Mhigan are drops from WT, don't bother unless someone accidentally leaves off a zero.

(I admit to being personally allergic to job-specific gear though. Ain't nobody got time for that.)

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


HQ i290 with yellow scrip mmainhands is perfectly adequate for gathering right now, though you'll want to meld it up a bit. You'll need to add a substantial amount of perception to get HQ palladium ore or torreya logs, though at the moment nobody who actually cares about crafting *needs* those to be HQ.

It remains to be seen what might be added in 4.2, so the Ala Mhigan gathering gear might be a better investment then.

RME
Feb 20, 2012

Cephas posted:

Cecil is actually a "Paladin" in the Japanese ver. It's just that in FFXIV they took the liberty of renaming the job from Knight to Paladin.

Knights pretty much are Paladins in FF anyways

RME
Feb 20, 2012

Notably, FF1 knights casting White Magic, or knights in FFV gettin access to holy weapons exlcusively
PLD used to require lvl 15 CNJ as a subclass
Cecil is explicitly a paladin but he's also the only Knight archetype in the game when everyone still maps pretty directly
Agrias Oakes was a "Holy Knight" which is essentially paladin flavor

I think it's just more understood when they say Knight they mean a Holy Knight, the idea isn't as separated

Solo Wing Pixy
Aug 5, 2008

It's an amanojaku!
And it hates you so much!

GuyUpNorth posted:

DRK 70 is one of the most cathartic quests in game. EAT poo poo ZEPHIRIN, HAURCHEFANT WILL BE AVENGED :black101:

God yes. Also, the scene with Edmont at the very end of that quest, and the associated journal entry that you can only read by going into your completed quests, is probably my favorite bit of the entire game.

You are still a good person. :unsmith:

a crisp refreshing Moxie
May 2, 2007


RME posted:

I think it's just more understood when they say Knight they mean a Holy Knight, the idea isn't as separated

What about Steiner? :colbert:

Sade
Aug 3, 2009

Can't touch this.
No really, you can't

His last sword art is what this game calls Holy Spirit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubDNTzskZwY&t=283s

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004



His armor doesn't cover all of his legs, so he's a Holey Knight

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
I don't know why they call 'em Paladins. I don't see no Charlemagne in this game.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Solo Wing Pixy posted:

God yes. Also, the scene with Edmont at the very end of that quest, and the associated journal entry that you can only read by going into your completed quests, is probably my favorite bit of the entire game.

You are still a good person. :unsmith:

I think my favourite line from that quest is

Do not ask for forgiveness. It will not ease your burden. It weighs as it should.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

How's the Ivalice raid these days? Do most people have a handle on it? I'm behind on that stuff and I want to try to run it before the patch and everyone (probably) focuses on the big new thing for the relic weapon.

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
In general most runs are good. Boss two still causes a wipe now and then, but it's smooth sailing after that.

A lot of people like clearing or moving party markers during the fight. You'd think this wouldn't be a huge problem, but a lot of people still depend on them and this causes a lot of wipes.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you

Jimbot posted:

How's the Ivalice raid these days? Do most people have a handle on it? I'm behind on that stuff and I want to try to run it before the patch and everyone (probably) focuses on the big new thing for the relic weapon.

Most, yeah (mechanics):

1) If a boss jumps, move to your group marker to kill an add, get ready to heal/mitigate, or find the boss outside the arena and dodge it.
2) Generally stay near bosses in case you need to move around them quickly. Don't stand in front (most have a cleave tankbuster).
3) Rofocale's Trample isn't like most other mob spells where you're safe if you're out by the time the spell graphic expires. Avoid him when he's moving.
4) Bring Argath's adds to the center for AoE.

isk fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Jan 4, 2018

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

isk posted:

Most, yeah. For the most part (mechanics):


4) Bring Argath's adds to the center for AoE.


God drat I wish people would do this.

x1o
Aug 5, 2005

My focus is UNPARALLELED!

Orcs and Ostriches posted:

God drat I wish people would do this.

Yeah, being able to nuke them all with a caster LB1 is handy.

Sarrisan
Oct 9, 2012

TheHeadSage posted:

Yeah, being able to nuke them all with a caster LB1 is handy.

gently caress that; the other day this magically happened while I was on BLM and i got the most ridiculous padding done with 3x triplecast flare foul. the crystals afterward all spawned in the center too; are these based on the adds death locations?

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Sarrisan posted:

gently caress that; the other day this magically happened while I was on BLM and i got the most ridiculous padding done with 3x triplecast flare foul. the crystals afterward all spawned in the center too; are these based on the adds death locations?

That is correct.

Though probably not the way the devs intended, I think. When the adds are there, they have tethers if they're too close to eachother. If they're close to eachother, then when the crystals spawn from their corpses, they pump aether into the boss faster than ones that were not tethered to eachother.

So you're kind of fighting efficiency vs. dev intent. In other words: Bone Zone rev.C.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you

Sarrisan posted:

gently caress that; the other day this magically happened while I was on BLM and i got the most ridiculous padding done with 3x triplecast flare foul. the crystals afterward all spawned in the center too; are these based on the adds death locations?

Yep, that's why they should be stacked in the center (anywhere really but center is easy)

Sarrisan
Oct 9, 2012

SwissArmyDruid posted:

That is correct.

Though probably not the way the devs intended, I think. When the adds are there, they have tethers if they're too close to eachother. If they're close to eachother, then when the crystals spawn from their corpses, they pump aether into the boss faster than ones that were not tethered to eachother.

So you're kind of fighting efficiency vs. dev intent. In other words: Bone Zone rev.C.

i can't imagine whatever mechanic going on matters much if people are paying attention; in that run i mentioned, the adds and crystals were both dead in 3 GCD's max from the aoe unloaded on them.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Sarrisan posted:

i can't imagine whatever mechanic going on matters much if people are paying attention; in that run i mentioned, the adds and crystals were both dead in 3 GCD's max from the aoe unloaded on them.

Exactly, but people still drag the mobs away from the center because "that's what you're supposed to do" as opposed to what's efficient.

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010


At least people seem to be realizing you can run away from Rofocale's ultimate.

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
Doing what you're supposed to do ends up with everyone eating a vuln stack half the time.

AOE in the centre is just more reliable.

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
I wish I had more reason to hang out in the Japanime side of Stormblood. The areas have good music and good lighting. I never thought I'd be putting my male catgirl in a midriff, but here we are.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


I tell people before Argath to bring adds in to the boss's rear end every time before pull and you still get eejits pulling them to the corners.



Nice of Square-Enix to formally acknowledge that they're not going to do anything about GM calls in the EU too.

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)
Is there a beginner's guide to the game somewhere? Like helpful tips and what to do/what not to do? I'm still below level 10 and would like to play more after my laptop gets fixed.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


Schneider Heim posted:

Is there a beginner's guide to the game somewhere? Like helpful tips and what to do/what not to do? I'm still below level 10 and would like to play more after my laptop gets fixed.

When you hit level 15, just as you unlock dungeons, you'll be introduced to something called "Hall of the Novice" which teaches you the basic tenets of the role you've chosen (Tank, Heal, DPS).

Pay attention to it and it'll put you on a good footing for the rest of the game, give you a nice set of armour for your level and a ring iirc which boosts exp gained. You'll learn a lot of what you need to do from there through osmosis of playing.


So basically, yes, there is, and the game will give it to you real soon. It'll probably help you give more pointed questions for specific help you might need too.

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)

Josuke Higashikata posted:

When you hit level 15, just as you unlock dungeons, you'll be introduced to something called "Hall of the Novice" which teaches you the basic tenets of the role you've chosen (Tank, Heal, DPS).

Pay attention to it and it'll put you on a good footing for the rest of the game, give you a nice set of armour for your level and a ring iirc which boosts exp gained. You'll learn a lot of what you need to do from there through osmosis of playing.


So basically, yes, there is, and the game will give it to you real soon. It'll probably help you give more pointed questions for specific help you might need too.

Okay!

I'm wondering more on the likes of tips like "don't use this item right away, it's rare and valuable", things that could trip a new person up...

dmboogie
Oct 4, 2013

Schneider Heim posted:

Okay!

I'm wondering more on the likes of tips like "don't use this item right away, it's rare and valuable", things that could trip a new person up...

Also once you hit level 15, head to the Limsa Lominsa Upper Decks and complete the quest "Rising to the Challenge." This'll unlock the challenge log which can give you a fuckton of bonus XP, but it can be kinda easy to miss.

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe

Schneider Heim posted:

Okay!

I'm wondering more on the likes of tips like "don't use this item right away, it's rare and valuable", things that could trip a new person up...

If you check the character settings menu, under camera settings you should be able to switch between Legacy and Standard camera. They affect the way your character moves dramatically. Generally, people who move with the mouse prefer Standard and people who move with the keyboard prefer Legacy. You should try them out and find out which one you like better before you get stuck doing it one way.

Similarly, I would suggest unbinding Q and E (strafe left and strafe right) right now and learning to move laterally via camera rotation. You'll want those hotkeys later and it'll be a pain to unlearn 50 hours of muscle memory at that point.

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Speaking of settings, go in there and set it to automatically skip cutscenes that you've already seen. Nobody wants to sit there while you watch the opening to Copperbell for the 10000th time.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Reiterpallasch posted:

If you check the character settings menu, under camera settings you should be able to switch between Legacy and Standard camera. They affect the way your character moves dramatically. Generally, people who move with the mouse prefer Standard and people who move with the keyboard prefer Legacy. You should try them out and find out which one you like better before you get stuck doing it one way.

Similarly, I would suggest unbinding Q and E (strafe left and strafe right) right now and learning to move laterally via camera rotation. You'll want those hotkeys later and it'll be a pain to unlearn 50 hours of muscle memory at that point.

Slight modification: Rebind strafe left/right from Q/E to A/D, turn with mouse.

Irrelevant if controller, though.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Josuke Higashikata posted:

I tell people before Argath to bring adds in to the boss's rear end every time before pull and you still get eejits pulling them to the corners.
What I find happens is people don't understand that the adds can't be tanked and that they have to move them themselves. So they either stand there and expect someone else to handle it, or run around in a panic because OMG they've got aggro!!

Mentioning that before the phase starts seems to help, even if you'll always have stragglers.

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Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Reiterpallasch posted:

Similarly, I would suggest unbinding Q and E (strafe left and strafe right) right now and learning to move laterally via camera rotation. You'll want those hotkeys later and it'll be a pain to unlearn 50 hours of muscle memory at that point.

Terrible advice. Rebind your left/turn right keys and exclusively use the strafe keys for movement. Strafing is always useful, but there's never a reason to keyboard turn.

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