Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

spaceships posted:

my dad's a leftist lol

e: sorry he's not parroting american regime change propaganda

you should tell your dad a bunch of people on the internet think he's cool. i hope i get to meet him someday

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Erdbrink has a piece out with some interviews.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/...t.co/ejl2YTbrnz

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Volkerball posted:

Everything is so politicized.
A slogan for 2018.

Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

There are intense and continuing over a critical regime salient sticking into Ghouta in a small area called Harasta that is centered in former Vehicle Center (it's long since been emptied and been converted into a fortress). The battle has yet to be determined but I thought this was a good shot:

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/948569667945353217

I'm sharing this to showcase the environment in a work safe manner. If you told me that they've been fighting over this area for a hundred years I'd believe you. Everything is filthy and ruined from countless explosions and it looks like a battle scape from the apocalypse. The wrecked environment from the videos from here are the most miserable things I've seen from the conflict, excluding gore and corpses. If you want to know more check out WoA's feed but, be warned, that stuff will include wounded men who were likely marched to their deaths off camera.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

FAUXTON posted:

Has he hosed with a country that isn't a nuclear power?

Puerto Rico

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Thats also a nuclear power, because its America

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

FAUXTON posted:

Has he hosed with a country that isn't a nuclear power?

Canada, Mexico, Germany...

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Brother Friendship posted:

There are intense and continuing over a critical regime salient sticking into Ghouta in a small area called Harasta that is centered in former Vehicle Center (it's long since been emptied and been converted into a fortress). The battle has yet to be determined but I thought this was a good shot:

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/948569667945353217

I'm sharing this to showcase the environment in a work safe manner. If you told me that they've been fighting over this area for a hundred years I'd believe you. Everything is filthy and ruined from countless explosions and it looks like a battle scape from the apocalypse. The wrecked environment from the videos from here are the most miserable things I've seen from the conflict, excluding gore and corpses. If you want to know more check out WoA's feed but, be warned, that stuff will include wounded men who were likely marched to their deaths off camera.

It’s amazing to think that a couple of years ago, even with all the rebel infighting, a collapse of the SAA seemed inevitable. We were counting their last few modern tanks as they were destroyed and given DIY repairs, and their Air Force was losing all its trained pilots and decent aircraft. They were completely stalled and could barely hold their ground, much less go on the offensive.

Without Russian Air power and Iranian troops you can imagine that all across Syria it would’ve been the same story as Ghouta — grinding losses, sieges like Deiz ez zour, and stalled fronts like Daraa.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Turkey's openly blaming the US and Israel for causing unrest in Iran, so the split in the alliance just continues to grow.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948548807612084224

Some staffer needs to grab his phone and smash it.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948548807612084224

Some staffer needs to grab his phone and smash it.

Donald is a combined FSB and IRGC plant.

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT
So when the protesters gets massacred, will the support be "Thoughts and prayers" or "Losers. Sad."

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Why not both?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Good thing nobody's ever gotten mad at the US for encouraging people to protest and then watching them die before.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Sinteres posted:

Good thing nobody's ever gotten mad at the US for encouraging people to protest and then watching them die before.

Yeah, ask the Hungarians.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
"I like protesters that don't get bashed by the police. Sad!"

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, ask the Hungarians.

Or the Iraqis after the Gulf War.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948548807612084224

Some staffer needs to grab his phone and smash it.

Oh, good lord.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
You know, many pessimists question what would happen if we threw a war and nobody came - but what if we threw five wars and everybody came?

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
GREETINGS IRANIAN PEOPLE HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A CRUISE MISSILE STRIKE OR ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS OF SUPPORT???

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

There was a guy in NPR last night whose name I didn't catch.

He was putting forward the idea that one driving force for the protests is the Iranian budget.

Apparently this was the first year it was public and open to inspection. So people blew a lid when they saw how much money Clerics and Proxy Wars were costing while how little is being spent on economic development.


It is also mentioned, but not gone into detail by NY Times.

Anyone have an in depth piece on it?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Darkman Fanpage posted:

GREETINGS IRANIAN PEOPLE HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A CRUISE MISSILE STRIKE OR ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS OF SUPPORT???

I'm kind of imagining that Steve Buscemi hi fellow kids thing except hi fellow freedom lovers when Trump tweets in support of protests.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Xae posted:

There was a guy in NPR last night whose name I didn't catch.

He was putting forward the idea that one driving force for the protests is the Iranian budget.

Apparently this was the first year it was public and open to inspection. So people blew a lid when they saw how much money Clerics and Proxy Wars were costing while how little is being spent on economic development.


It is also mentioned, but not gone into detail by NY Times.

Anyone have an in depth piece on it?

I read/heard that, too. Can't dredge anything else atm.

Trita Parsi was on NPR earlier: https://www.npr.org/2018/01/03/5752...aign=technology

He also posted this piece from someone else: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/protests-erupt-iran-180101142214891.html

Gas subsidies have historically causes protests & riots:
2007: https://www.rferl.org/a/1077341.html
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2007-07-05/gas-subsidies-and-iran/ (and oil/gas analysis from 2007)

2010: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/12/22/iran.subsidies/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/19/iranian-riot-police-subsidies-end

e: FT from 2015 on gas subsidies: https://www.ft.com/content/86ae7896-047b-11e5-a5c3-00144feabdc0

guidoanselmi fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jan 3, 2018

HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos
Apparently, a Russian base got owned on new years and they lost 7 planes.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3514249

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/948627554570776577

I wonder if other European nations will follow suit.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

"I question the validity of the source!", he says in a very autistic voice.

Edit: on the Russian thing

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/948627554570776577

I wonder if other European nations will follow suit.

Doubtful. I would imagine the Norwegian Military Industrial Complex is rather less influential than their French or British counterparts.

HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos

Dandywalken posted:

"I question the validity of the source!", he says in a very autistic voice.

Edit: on the Russian thing

The kommersant is a pretty respected paper, definitely not a tabloid. The russians also admitted to losing a helicopter and two crew last week, so who knows.

Moatman
Mar 21, 2014

Because the goof is all mine.

Dandywalken posted:

"I question the validity of the source!", he says in a very autistic voice.

Edit: on the Russian thing

Really, dude?

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

HorrificExistence posted:

The kommersant is a pretty respected paper, definitely not a tabloid. The russians also admitted to losing a helicopter and two crew last week, so who knows.
https://twitter.com/CITeam_en/status/948672853964152832

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Blut posted:

Doubtful. I would imagine the Norwegian Military Industrial Complex is rather less influential than their French or British counterparts.

Yeah, they've got Kongsberg Gruppen and that's about it.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Cat Mattress posted:

Yeah, they've got Kongsberg Gruppen and that's about it.

I had a bag of theirs from a conference that would fold itself into a pouch. I used it all the time until my cat peed on it and I had to through it away. :(

Thanks for listening to my story, thread.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Cocoa Ninja posted:

It’s amazing to think that a couple of years ago, even with all the rebel infighting, a collapse of the SAA seemed inevitable. We were counting their last few modern tanks as they were destroyed and given DIY repairs, and their Air Force was losing all its trained pilots and decent aircraft. They were completely stalled and could barely hold their ground, much less go on the offensive.

Without Russian Air power and Iranian troops you can imagine that all across Syria it would’ve been the same story as Ghouta — grinding losses, sieges like Deiz ez zour, and stalled fronts like Daraa.

The Syrian Army did not have any tanks that could be considered modern at that time. The aircraft and pilots that they were losing were far from decent - Mig-21s and Mig-23s and whatever lovely Sukhoi Fitter variants they were flying would be mediocre by 1980s Standards, much less now. They keep their modern planes (Mig-29s) near Damacus and in Latakia

Even with decaying equipment terrible morale, and mass defections the SAA never looked like it would collapse completely. You’re also ignoring the people that gave them the biggest black eye - ISIS. The non-ISIS Islamist rebels were always awful at fighting and were on the back foot long before the Russians ever showed up. The regime would not had made the gains it did without Russian air power but I would really like people to stop pretending Al-Nusra/Ahrar were on the verge of victory before late-2015.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/KamalChomani/status/948845467730821120

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Human Grand Prix posted:

The Syrian Army did not have any tanks that could be considered modern at that time. The aircraft and pilots that they were losing were far from decent - Mig-21s and Mig-23s and whatever lovely Sukhoi Fitter variants they were flying would be mediocre by 1980s Standards, much less now. They keep their modern planes (Mig-29s) near Damacus and in Latakia

Even with decaying equipment terrible morale, and mass defections the SAA never looked like it would collapse completely. You’re also ignoring the people that gave them the biggest black eye - ISIS. The non-ISIS Islamist rebels were always awful at fighting and were on the back foot long before the Russians ever showed up. The regime would not had made the gains it did without Russian air power but I would really like people to stop pretending Al-Nusra/Ahrar were on the verge of victory before late-2015.

The vast majority of what ISIS took in Syria they took from Syrian rebel groups who had displaced Assad forces of filled the vaccuum left by their withdrawal. ISIS was not a friend of Assad, but neither party considered the other to be a top priority - hence the trade between them and the general lack of activity (along with repeated skeletonization of defenses) along the fronts they shared. The focus of the infrastructure bombing campaign on areas not held by ISIS also suggests Russia considered pretty much every other major rebel group to be a higher priority.

Beyond that, Russian intervention in Syria began in the first few years once it became clear Assad's war was not going well. This involved expediting weapon contracts and sending advisors, large amounts of currency to keep the regime running, and Russian "mercenaries" whose hastily arranged mercenary companies ended up serving on the front line with the SAA rather than protecting oil wells or whatever they were contracted to do.

The Syrian government was running a number of modernized T-72's from the start of the conflict with some 80's era features on them - Russia specifically continued delivery based on the premise that it was completion of a pre-existing deal. They also used the Mig-29's to strafe targets periodically and later to truck bombs over cities. They're harder to keep in the air than the old su-22's, though, and you don't need a modern plane to drop unguided bombs on "a city" from high altitude so they didn't really do a whole lot.

Warbadger fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jan 4, 2018

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

The ongoing war is almost old news at this point, but the SAA seems to be making real progress in Idlib this time. It's still a giant area, and they're taking losses in the process, but you can start to see how this salient might actually end up linking up with Aleppo now and splitting Idlib.

Saladin Rising
Nov 12, 2016

When there is no real hope we must
mint our own. If the coin be
counterfeit it may still be passed.

The YPG's anti-terror group (the YAT) prevented a really horrible massacre of civilians from happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/7o34cw/antiterror_units_yat_dismantled_a_group_of_is_in/
https://twitter.com/claudiaalmina/status/948915345259147264

quote:

Anti-Terror Units (YAT) dismantled a group of IS in the Karama village near Raqqa that was planning an attack in the Mabruka refugee camp.
14 IS terrorists were killed and weapons, ammunition and a car bomb were seized
YPG Press
How hosed up do you have to be to be planning an attack on a refugee camp with loving car bombs?

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Saladin Rising posted:

The YPG's anti-terror group (the YAT) prevented a really horrible massacre of civilians from happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/7o34cw/antiterror_units_yat_dismantled_a_group_of_is_in/
https://twitter.com/claudiaalmina/status/948915345259147264

How hosed up do you have to be to be planning an attack on a refugee camp with loving car bombs?

Assad has succeeded in perpetuating the most evil in Syria, but ISIS wants to be the most evil by far.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Assad has succeeded in perpetuating the most evil in Syria, but ISIS wants to be the most evil by far.

They executed a Hamas member in Sinai and blamed Hamas for being insufficiently motivated to fight Jews around the world, considering them parochial apostates for only being interested in fighting Jews in (Greater) Palestine. ISIS is loving crazy.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply