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friendly reminder that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, so if you gave/got a gift this year you are the enemy and should be sent to the guillotines.
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C. Everett Koop posted:friendly reminder that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, so if you gave/got a gift this year you are the enemy and should be sent to the guillotines. If the guillotine is as sharp as your edge it'll be a quick, clean death.
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Dec 25, 2017 22:37
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C. Everett Koop posted:friendly reminder that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, so if you gave/got a gift this year you are the enemy and should be sent to the guillotines. Everyone on this forum paid $10 and would deserve a guillotine, so this checks out.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:05
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PerniciousKnid posted:Everyone on this forum paid $10 and would deserve a guillotine, so this checks out. We are truely the bourgeoisie of internet forums.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:19
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On the other hand we all willingly contributed to the upkeep and welfare of our community. That's socialism.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:50
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Futuresight posted:On the other hand we all willingly contributed to the upkeep and welfare of our community. In the same way that a country club is socialism.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:54
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Exactly. Country clubs and Something Awful alike teach us that... we... all want the socialism deep inside. We just don't yet view everybody as part of our club. Once we do... That's socialism.
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Dec 26, 2017 04:09
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PerniciousKnid posted:Everyone on this forum paid $10 and would deserve a guillotine, so this checks out. I didn't. My account was a gift from one of my highschool exes. 
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Dec 26, 2017 05:03
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Koalas March posted:I didn't. My account was a gift from one of my highschool exes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acT_PSAZ7BQ
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Dec 26, 2017 05:14
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PerniciousKnid posted:Everyone on this forum paid $10 and would deserve a guillotine, so this checks out. I'm pure (I, like all good posters, registered when it was free).
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Dec 26, 2017 05:35
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Koalas March posted:I didn't. My account was a gift from one of my highschool exes. 
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Dec 26, 2017 11:38
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Cingulate posted:Beethoven didn't just write one good piece of music, he won again and again and again. I just wanna say I resent the slighting of the one hit wonders of the world. They're people too!
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Dec 28, 2017 06:08
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Zas posted:I just wanna say I resent the slighting of the one hit wonders of the world. They're people too!
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Dec 28, 2017 17:10
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PerniciousKnid posted:Everyone on this forum paid $10 and would deserve a guillotine, so this checks out. My account emerged fully armed from the forehead of Zeus. Then got banned and rereged a few times, so yeah, guilty.
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Jan 2, 2018 09:23
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Zas posted:I just wanna say I resent the slighting of the one hit wonders of the world. They're people too! So our objections to murdering all one-hit wonders are now gone??!
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Jan 2, 2018 18:43
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In a traditional German toilet, the hole into which poo poo disappears after we flush is right at the front, so that poo poo is first laid out for us to sniff and inspect for traces of illness. In the typical French toilet, on the contrary, the hole is at the back, i.e. poo poo is supposed to disappear as quickly as possible. Finally, the American (Anglo-Saxon) toilet presents a synthesis, a mediation between these opposites: the toilet basin is full of water, so that the poo poo floats in it, visible, but not to be inspected. It is clear that none of these versions can be accounted for in purely utilitarian terms: each involves a certain ideological perception of how the subject should relate to excrement. Hegel was among the first to see in the geographical triad of Germany, France and England an expression of three different existential attitudes: reflective thoroughness (German), revolutionary hastiness (French), utilitarian pragmatism (English). In political terms, this triad can be read as German conservatism, French revolutionary radicalism and English liberalism. The point about toilets is that they enable us not only to discern this triad in the most intimate domain, but also to identify its underlying mechanism in the three different attitudes towards excremental excess: an ambiguous contemplative fascination; a wish to get rid of it as fast as possible; a pragmatic decision to treat it as ordinary and dispose of it in an appropriate way. It is easy for an academic at a round table to claim that we live in a post-ideological universe, but the moment he visits the lavatory after the heated discussion, he is again knee-deep in ideology.
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Jan 5, 2018 10:08
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I always knew Zizek was a goon.
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Jan 5, 2018 12:22
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Now this is some high-level shitposting.
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Jan 5, 2018 12:41
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Cerebral Bore posted:Now this is some high-level shitposting.
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Trabisnikof posted:In a traditional German toilet, the hole into which poo poo disappears after we flush is right at the front, so that poo poo is first laid out for us to sniff and inspect for traces of illness. In the typical French toilet, on the contrary, the hole is at the back, i.e. poo poo is supposed to disappear as quickly as possible. Finally, the American (Anglo-Saxon) toilet presents a synthesis, a mediation between these opposites: the toilet basin is full of water, so that the poo poo floats in it, visible, but not to be inspected. You can imagine it was quite a trip for me to spend a few weeks in Germany, then France, then England, in rapid succession.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You can imagine it was quite a trip for me to spend a few weeks in Germany, then France, then England, in rapid succession. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgc1mqDfuww
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Jan 5, 2018 20:50
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Now tell me about Indo-China and Japan
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Boon posted:Now tell me about Indo-China and Japan First I must say that I don't have my own positive theory about Japan. What I do have, as every Western intellectual, are the myths of reference. There is the old, right wing image of the Samurai code, fighting to death, the absolute, ethical Japan. Then there is the leftist image, from Eisenschtein already: the semiotic Japan. The empty signs, no Western metaphysics of presence. It's a no less phantasmic Japan then the first one. We know that Eisenschtein for his montage of attractions used Japanese ideograms. Then there is Bertolt Brecht as an exception. He took over elements like sacrifice and authority, and put it in a left wing context. Here in the West, Brecht was seen as someone introducing a fanatic eastern morality. But now there's in Suhrkamp Verlag a detailed edition of his 'Jasager' and his 'Lernstke.' They discovered that all those moments the Western critics perceived as remainders of this imperial and sacrificing Japan, were indeed edited by Brecht. What they perceived as Japanese was Brecht. Than there is the capitalist Japan and it's different stages. There is the myth of non-original Japan, taking over, but developing better: Philips for the rich and Sony for the poor. Twenty years later this was of course the other way round. Then there is the Kojevian Japan. First for Kojeve the end of history was Russia and America, the realization of the French Revolution. Then he noticed that someting was missing. He found the answer in Japan, in the little surplus. If everything only functions, as in America, you would kill yourself. In the snobbism, drinking tea in a nice way, he found that live still had a meaning. But there is another Japan, the psycho-analytic. Whenever you have the multi-culturalist approach, the almost standard example is Japan and its way of 'Verneinung', saying no. There are thirty ways to say no. You say no to your wife in one way, no to a child in another way. There is not one negation. There exists a small Lacanian volume, 'La chose japonaise.' They elaborate the borrowing of other languages, all these ambiguities. Didn't Lacan say that Japanese do not have an unconscious? For the West, Japan is the ambiguous Other: at the same time it fascinates you and repels you. Let's not forget the psychological cliche of Japan: you smile, but you never know if it is sincere or if you are mocking us - the idea of Japan as the impenetrable Other. This ambiguous politeness. What do they really want? There's also the idea of the Japanese as the 'ersatz' Jews for the Americans. The Japanese governments together with two, three mega companies plotting. All this spleen, this palette of fantasies, is Japan for us. But what surprised me is that authors, whom I considered strictly European, are widely read in Japan, like for example George Lukacs. Than there is a Japan, loved by those who criticize our Western, decadent way of liberal democracy and who look for a model that would combine the dynamic of capitalism, while maintaining some firm traditional structure of authority. And again, it can work both ways. What I like about fantasies is that they are always ambiguous. You can turn it in a negative way, Japanese pretending to play capitalism, while in reality being one big conspiracy and authority. On the positive side you see that there is a capitalism possible with moral values. What I liked there, in restaurants and subway stations, is the absence of English. You don't have this self-humiliating, disgusting, pleasing attitude. It's up to the foreigners to find their way out. I liked tremendously those automatic vending machines. Did you see 'The Shining', based on Stephen King's novel? This is America at it's worst. Three people, a family, in a big hotel and still the space is too small for them and they start killing each other. In Japan, even when it is very crowded, you don't feel the pressure, even if you are physically close. This art of ignoring. In the New York subway, even when it's half full, you would have this horrifying experience of the absolute proximity of the Other. What I liked about the Foucault conference in Tokyo I attended, was that one would expect the Japanese to apply Foucault to their own notions. But all the Japanese interventions were about Flaubert. They didn't accept this anthropological game of playing idiots for you. No, they tried to beat us at our own game. We know Flaubert better then you. Every nation in Europe has this fanaticism, conceiving itself as the true, primordial nation. The Serbian myth for example is that they are the first nation of the world. The Croatians consider themselves as primordial Aryans. The Slovenes are not really slaves, but pretend to be of Etrurian origin. It would be nice to find a nation, which would accept the fact that they are not the first but the second. This might be a part of the Japanese identity, if you look at the way they borrow languages. I recently read a book on Kurosawa. It is said that 'Rashomon' was seen in the early fifties as the big discovery of the eastern spirit. But in Japan it was conceived as way too Western. My favorite Japanese film is 'Sansho' by Mizoguchi because it offers itself for a nice, Lacanian reading, the problem of the lost mother, the mother's voice reaching the son, etc. This is the Japanese advantage over America when the mother's voice tries to reach the son. In America one would get madness, like Hitchcock's 'Psycho', but in Japan you get a normal family. The Balkans is now a region where the West is projecting its own fantasies upon, like Japan. And again, this can be very contradictory. The film 'The Rising Sun' has this ambiguity that there is this Japanese plot of trying to take over and buy Hollywood. The idea is that they do not want our factories, our land, they even want our dreams. Behind this there's the notion of the thought control. It's the old Marxist notion of buying the whole chain, from the hardware until the movie theatres. What interests me in Japan is that it is a good argument against the vulgar, pseudo Marxist evolutionary notion that you have to go through certain evolutionary stages. Japan proves that you can make a direct short circuit. You retain certain elements of the old hierarchical superstructure and combine it very nicely with the most effective version of capitalism as it pretends to be. It's a good experience in non-antropocentrism. It's a mystery for Western sociologists who say that you need Protestant ethics for good capitalism. What I see in Japan, and maybe this is my own myth, is that behind all these notions of politeness, snobbism etc. The Japanese are well aware that something which may appear superficial and unnecessary, has a much deeper structural function. A Western approach would be: who needs this? But a totally ridiculous thing at a deeper level might play a stabilizing function we are not aware of. Everybody laughs at the English monarchy, but you'll never know. There is another notion, that is popular now amongst American sociologist, the civilizations of guilt versus civilizations of shame. The Jews and their inner guilt and the Greeks with their culture of shame. The usual cliche now is that Japan is the ultimate civilization of shame. What I despise in America is the studio actors logic, as if there is something good in self expression: do not be oppressed, open yourself, even if you shout and kick the others, everything in order to express and liberate yourself. This stupid idea, that behind the mask there is some truth. In Japan, and I hope that this is not only a myth, even if something is merely an appearance, politeness is not simply insincere. There is a difference between saying 'Hello, how are you?' and the New York taxi drivers who swear at you. Surfaces do matter. If you disturb the surfaces you may lose a lot more than you account. You shouldn't play with rituals. Masks are never simply mere masks. Perhaps that's why Brecht became close to Japan. He also liked this notion that there is nothing really liberating in this typical Western gesture of stealing the masks and show the true face. What you discover is something absolutely disgusting. Let's maintain the appearances, that's my own fantasy of Japan.
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xpostingHieronymous Alloy posted:I feel like I'm being pushed into becoming a Musk defender by the poor quality of the anti-Musk arguments, step up your game folks This accurately describes how I feel about 99% of the disagreements I get into on this sub-forum.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:36
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I did. We were still dating at the time lol.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:43
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Nevvy Z posted:xposting Hell, same.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:24
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Nevvy Z posted:xposting It's hard out there for a boy genius,
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Jan 10, 2018 23:28
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yeah im right there w/ ya nevvy
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Jan 11, 2018 04:06
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I assure you guys that everyone can already tell when you're just being a contrarian shithead.
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Helsing posted:I assure you guys that everyone can already tell when you're just being a contrarian shithead. I'm sure they think so.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:21
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The way you can tell whether someone is just being obnoxiously contrarian (which is unfortunately usually the case on these forums) is if they take a tone that clearly implies they dislike the people they're acting contrarian against. This is why I don't really believe the people who claim to actually be left-wing, despite 90% of their (politically related) posts being extremely condescending and insulting towards the left and very few posts ever taking such a negative tone towards mainstream liberals (honestly, it's the latter part that is more revealing IMO). Like, if you look at things from the perspective of "what would motivate a person to do this," the only answers that come to mind are either 1. they're not really leftist or 2. they technically hold leftist opinions but are privileged enough to not be emotionally invested in them. The best analogy for revealing the absurdity of this behavior is to replace leftism with something like civil rights. If someone made the same kind of comments towards someone who made a bunch of emotional/opinionated posts on that topic - even if they were sometimes factually wrong - you'd think they were a racist rear end in a top hat, right? The same goes for the people who comment this way about the left. The general tone of their comments reveals that they don't actually care much about the issues in question. I'm certainly not saying that you shouldn't disagree with or correct people who make posts/comments that are incorrect, but there are ways to easily do so while still making it clear that you're on their side and agree with their goals. Being antagonistic makes no sense. (I should mention that, while the left also takes this tone with the center-left sometimes, I consider that situation different because the left at least disagrees with the center-left's goals and doesn't claim to be on their side to begin with.)
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I don't think goon contrarianism is primarily a political thing. Most of em probably post the same way in every forum they frequent because deep down the source of their angst is more personal than political.
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Speaking of trash arguments, this kind of basic failure of reading comprehension is why the rest of the forums hates D&D.Craptacular! posted:Rosen has one of the easiest Senate campaigns in recent state history. All she had to do was not discourage the party base voter and not appear too crazy to the libertarians that exist on Nevada’s right. Shimrra Jamaane posted:No one will remember any of this in November. Its not even headline news this afternoon anymore. VitalSigns posted:This has to be the most craven defense of immorality I've ever seen.
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Jan 11, 2018 22:06
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as usual VitalSigns is right and you and the dingus squad are wrong but keep coming into this thread to remind us please
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self unaware posted:as usual VitalSigns is right and you and the dingus squad are wrong Nah. You can disagree with someone's interpretation/prediction of the results of an action, which is what SJ's response to craptacular was, without casting value judgement on the action, which is what VS is accusing him of.
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Nevvy Z posted:Nah. You can disagree with someone's interpretation/prediction of the results of an action, which is what SJ's response to craptacular was, without casting value judgement on the action, which is what VS is accusing him of. blah blah blah we all know you're an idiot don't waste your time posting
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self unaware posted:blah blah blah we all know you're an idiot don't waste your time posting 
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good summation of your posting in this thread mr "im so smart i have to be contrarian to people i 'agree' with"
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self unaware posted:good summation of your posting in this thread rofl
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self unaware posted:blah blah blah we all know you're an idiot don't waste your time posting i'm tempted to do the "don't sign your posts" thing but you're actually so wholeheartedly stupid i doubt you can read
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