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Bad Red Snapcaster will probably see a couple of copies played in mono-red since Harsh Mentor is really bad and sees play.Pac-Manioc Root posted:If you want a picture of the future of magic, picture an eternalized goatsucker stomping on your guys... Forever. Eternalized Goatsucker is my new band name.
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Hellsau posted:Eternalized Goatsucker is my new band name. 
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Jan 7, 2018 10:20
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Nibble posted:I always find it odd when they print nearly-strictly-better cards close together, but somehow it didn't strike me until now that these are both in the same set: That piece of poo poo is going to be format defining for the next two years, and is going to suck the energy out of every room its played in. There will be posts about how a jumped-up Nekrataal is loving standard sideways like a year from now. I found that to be an interesting statement about Standard in general though, for 99% of the decks built you don't really care if your poo poo dies, unless there's an opposing Scarab God kicking around. You either got immediate value, it's not really dead, or it was effectively an extra card and didn't matter. As the man said, no risk in your strategy, it feels like a goldfish game to maximize mana usage.
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Jan 7, 2018 11:08
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Hellsau posted:Bad Red Snapcaster will probably see a couple of copies played in mono-red since Harsh Mentor is really bad and sees play. I get your point, but fwiw, most red decks have kicked Harsh Mentor out again
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Jan 7, 2018 11:51
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Maro will just say the development team isn’t allowed to listen to whatever Sullivan said for whatever weird reason he can’t look at fake cards.
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Jan 7, 2018 12:17
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I have a feeling Snap-Pirate will see play initially as a 1-2 of in Mardu token main boards with the rest in the side for spell heavy matchups. Whether it works, no idea. I don’t know standard at all, but remember, it has first strike. That is not irrelevant in a format where tokens are a good portion of it.
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Jan 7, 2018 14:02
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DangerDongs posted:So the red Snapcaster is going to be really good right? I think it has a place in 5c Humans The fail case of a 2/1 First Strike is decent. Incidental GY hate, Vial to flash it, and the ability to cast spells off Caverns gives the deck additional reach that it doesn't have now
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Jan 7, 2018 15:09
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Angry Grimace posted:whatever weird reason he can’t look at fake cards. That bit makes sense though, if you send the design team a bomb card you've designed yourself and they acknowledge it and say "cool card bro!" then a couple of sets down the line your card, or something very close to it, is in the set then there's a case there for you being the creator of it and deserving of compensation. it's much easier and safer legally for them to just say "while we appreciate the effort, we at WotC do not acknowledge fan made cards"
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Jan 7, 2018 16:05
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Walked posted:I think it has a place in 5c Humans Humans doesn't want to cast many spells that isn't lantern.
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Jan 7, 2018 16:21
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Mono G devotion just took down U/R Delver to go 10-0 in the Open, modern is awesome.
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I agree with part of PSulli's rant, but I disagree with part of his core premise. He frames this entire thing as "this is what's been wrong with Standard over the past few years", but the class of cards he's describing this pushing out have almost never been playable in the first place, for exactly the reasons he describes. Historically there have been 4 drops that don't provide value on the way in, the way out, or protect themselves, but they've been few and far between. The most recent one is, I think, Woodland Wanderer, and that card wasn't exactly a format defining monster. The best one was probably Polukranos. You get to 5 and I think the only creatures that fit are Baneslayer Angel, Arc-Slogger, and Serra Angel in 1994? I guess Wafo-Tapa played 1 Dralnu at Worlds once. I think you can make a reasonable argument that it's a long-term structural problem with how Magic is developed in general, but frame it as "this is what is wrong with Standard lately" and it just doesn't make sense to me. E: formatting Elyv fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 16:32
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TheKingofSprings posted:It was also not a very good deck vs. Delver Yeah, well, what was? Delver was. 
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Elyv posted:I agree with part of PSulli's rant, but I disagree with part of his core premise. He frames this entire thing as "this is what's been wrong with Standard over the past few years", but the class of cards he's describing this pushing out have almost never been playable in the first place(for exactly the reasons he describes). Historically there have been 4 drops that don't provide value on the way in, the way out, or protect themselves, but they've been few and far between. The most recent one is, I think, Woodland Wanderer, and that card wasn't exactly a format defining monster. The best one was probably Polukranos(which does generate instant value as a lategame topdeck as well). You get to 5 and I think the only creatures that fit are Baneslayer Angel, Arc-Slogger, and Serra Angel in 1994? I guess Wafo-Tapa played 1 Dralnu at Worlds once. I think you can make a reasonable argument that it's a long-term structural problem with how Magic is developed in general, but frame it as "this is what is wrong with Standard lately" and it just doesn't make sense to me. It was a looser, more ranty argument than his usual evaluations.
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Cruel Reality just got played in legacy, the 7 mana curse. Edit: Even more curses. DangerDongs fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 18:13
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Layline of the void + Helm of Obedience just exiled and entire library on the Wizards stream for x = 1.
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Jan 7, 2018 18:31
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Tainen posted:Layline of the void + Helm of Obedience just exiled and entire library on the Wizards stream for x = 1. It was by the same guy playing the curses.
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Jan 7, 2018 18:48
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DangerDongs posted:It was by the same guy playing the curses. Isn't that the Nic Fit deck with Academy Rector?
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Jan 7, 2018 19:16
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Rinkles posted:It was a looser, more ranty argument than his usual evaluations. I don't think that is relevant to my argument.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:45
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I'm very horny for replayability being you jam your five drop and your opponent gets four turns to try to answer it or loses. Sometimes they won't draw a card, sometimes they will, endless hours of fun!
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Elyv posted:I don't think that is relevant to my argument. Okay, I was just making a related observation.
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Nibble posted:I always find it odd when they print nearly-strictly-better cards close together, but somehow it didn't strike me until now that these are both in the same set: This settles it once and for all, Ixalan pirates are canonically worse at killing people than Innistrad humans.  e: I remember back when, even if they had to make some removal mediocre, they at least tried to make it interesting. These days they literally just throw extra mana on something and/ or make it sorcery speed, and call it a day. 
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Jan 7, 2018 20:03
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Elyv posted:I agree with part of PSulli's rant, but I disagree with part of his core premise. He frames this entire thing as "this is what's been wrong with Standard over the past few years", but the class of cards he's describing this pushing out have almost never been playable in the first place, for exactly the reasons he describes. His point wasn’t that ETBs are inherently overpowered and unfun, it was that there’s no reason to play anything else because they’re obviously better than everything else to the point there’s no real question about playing them. There isn’t some specific question about whether to put a Chupacabra in your deck; it kills everything. There’s no play to them. It’s why Scarab God is a dumb card: it punishes your opponent for doing fun things. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 20:05
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quote:e: I remember back when, even if they had to make some removal mediocre, they at least tried to make it interesting. These days they literally just throw extra mana on something and/ or make it sorcery speed, and call it a day. sinister concoction wasnt that long ago
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Angry Grimace posted:His point wasn’t that ETBs are inherently overpowered and unfun, it was that there’s no reason to play anything else because they’re obviously better than everything else to the point there’s no real question about playing them. There’s no play to them. They blow up your opponents guys and then stick around as vanilla dudes. If the choice is between, say, Nekrataal and Doom Blade, then there might be some actual tension. Or Thragtusk and... okay, it's harder to think of a comparable cheap spell because one usually just doesn't play pure lifegain spells, but maybe Feed the Clan for an example of something that saw some fringe play when the incentive was great enough. When you compare Impale and Chupacabra, then yeah, there's just zero reason to ever not take the 2/2 body unless I guess you're insanely afraid of Essence Scatter  Soul Glo posted:sinister concoction wasnt that long ago It was also a madness/graveyard enabler, and fairly mana-cheap as modern unconditional removal goes, so I don't really count it as an example of deliberately trying to make a lovely/marginal removal spell
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the best four drop with no ETB was hero of bladehold
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There have literally been strictly better cards at higher rarities since Alpha.
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I played Rivals standard (although I don't know what's banned or if nothing is banned) but the problem with Rivals as a set is that it not only doesn't do anything to combat existing decks, very few of the cards are good enough to even slot into existing decks. There's nothing interesting going on at all beyond drawing bad so your opponent ramps out a huge dinosaur that often isn't good enough to win the game on it's own. I've had a lot of opponent build their decks around playing Zacama, play him, get him Vraska's Contempted, and then notice they used every card in their hand to play Zacama and gaining 9 life or shooting down some creatures when you have nothing else in play and no cards in hand is dumb and bad. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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whydirt posted:There have literally been strictly better cards at higher rarities since Alpha. My personal favourite was the strictly better card at the same rarity in Rise of Eldrazi.
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JerryLee posted:e: I remember back when, even if they had to make some removal mediocre, they at least tried to make it interesting. These days they literally just throw extra mana on something and/ or make it sorcery speed, and call it a day. The thing is that "lovely card with a lot of text" isn't actually more fun than "lovely card with not much text", and realising this was the main motivation behind NWO. These cards don't need to be fancy, they're the glue that holds limited together, and making these slight tweaks lets them adjust how the format plays
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Lone Goat posted:My personal favourite was the strictly better card at the same rarity in Rise of Eldrazi. What was that?
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Death Bomb is kind of a weird example to use, considering that there's a modernized version in rtr E: Rinkles posted:What was that? Glory Seeker vs Knight of Cliffhaven
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Elyv posted:Death Bomb is kind of a weird example to use, considering that there's a modernized version in rtr Launch Party is such a good name for a cardn
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This is stupid. If he shackles is untapped on accident and he doesn't move to his next step why is it considered untapped instead of just saying "I decide not to untap."
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Jan 7, 2018 22:31
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Good they did it right and McDuffey got bolted out. Good.
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Jan 7, 2018 22:38
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Good they did it right and McDuffey got bolted out. Good. He seems like a tool.
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mcmagic posted:He seems like a tool. I hate rules angle shooting.
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mcmagic posted:He seems like a tool. Errant Gin Monks posted:I hate rules angle shooting. And he was 100% wrong. He never untapped the shackles. If he stated his opponent did he lied to a judge.
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Are there any Black/Green standard or modern decks that aren't more or less helpless right now? I like the themes and creatures but I didn't realize how slow and vulnerable -1 counters was compared to Energy anything since I started with Amonkhet.
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Are there any Black/Green standard or modern decks that aren't more or less helpless right now? I like the themes and creatures but I didn't realize how slow and vulnerable -1 counters was compared to Energy anything since I started with Amonkhet. B/G is the staple of many Modern decks, but it is pricey.
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Are there any Black/Green standard or modern decks that aren't more or less helpless right now? I like the themes and creatures but I didn't realize how slow and vulnerable -1 counters was compared to Energy anything since I started with Amonkhet. Jund (Black-Green-Red) and Junk (Black-Green-White) are both staple decks in Modern. Both play a little differently and just how competitive they are fluctuates over time. And while neither has been the "best" deck for years they are almost always competitive and are generally safe from being killed as archetypes due to bannings (though a couple Jund cards have been banned in the past). I'm right there with you, BG was my favorite color pairing as a kid and I've always wanted to build a BGx deck in Modern but they are really drat expensive. Maybe when I finally scale down my collection volume I build one BGx deck and sell everything else. C-Euro fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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