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prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Trabisnikof posted:

I'm going to keep defending amber by making fun of this dude for having dyed hair

He also has a silly haircut. :arghfist::corsair:

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Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

it takes a lot of upsides as a person to pull off that hair

being driven into a twitter meltdown + tears by an email snafu is not an upside

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever

Under the vegetable posted:

Lying about what happened like a fuckin loser cop like you're doing is exactly what she was talking about.

the rarely seen Second-Hand Corncobbing

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
cool, cool, great stuff. could you do me a favor and never post again?

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

Apoplexy posted:

Nor I. You know who cares? The people who look at that and go 'oh, right, the left is actually literally everything I thought it was. I WAS going to give them a chance over here to convince me about the circumstances with which we can better society but instead I'm just gonna call 'em fags and roll my eyes because one of them just flipped out over a microaggression and is having a hyperventilating fit on the ground like he didn't get his McDonalds szechuan sauce.'

Optics matter. Getting what we want necessitates some consessions to make the movement palatable to normies. The loving crazies kill movements. They're doing it right now.

horseshoe theory is real

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
That dude's post is funny as gently caress 'cus amber also has purple hair.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The DSA For Normal People hereby bans men from having colored hair, szechuan sauce, and any other teen meme I just saw, and anything faggy.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe

Venuz Patrol posted:

horseshoe theory is real

have you ever talked to anyone in the PSL or anyone who has a picture of a toho as their twitter av and a picture of stalin as their banner

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

What Could Pawsibly Go Wroooooong?

cat doter
Jul 27, 2006



gonna need more cheese...australia has a lot of crackers
you know not to get political but I believe we should all just be friends

Pale Peril
Jun 21, 2015

The engineering of consent is the very essence of the democratic process, the freedom to persuade and suggest.
- Edward Bernays


Tortured By Flan
::Parody Elon Musk Slam-prose Rockabilly::

Felix! Go on Futurama!

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

cat doter posted:

you know not to get political but I believe we should all just be friends

same

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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DSA sounds like the peoples front of judea and i'm kinda glad I stayed away. From what I'm hearing chapo they gently caress with them, but at a arms length and it sounds like the ideal solution. (is anyone in chapo full on DSA?)

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
All of them, and Amber lives with the DSA president

Grammar-Bolshevik
Oct 12, 2017

incoherent posted:

DSA sounds like the peoples front of judea and i'm kinda glad I stayed away. From what I'm hearing chapo they gently caress with them, but at a arms length and it sounds like the ideal solution. (is anyone in chapo full on DSA?)

https://i.redd.it/vmhj7p3dyn801.png

America's dsa locals are already getting exposed for embezzling funds (funds that disappear) among the emotional continuity on largely non issues.

Maybe someday they will be ready to be some kind of political force, but it looks like they have some growing to do.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

incoherent posted:

DSA sounds like the peoples front of judea and i'm kinda glad I stayed away. From what I'm hearing chapo they gently caress with them, but at a arms length and it sounds like the ideal solution. (is anyone in chapo full on DSA?)

I'm pretty sure they're all members. They came to the convention.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
I want my infighting and corruption to scale!

DeNomolos
Jan 10, 2013

mild mannered meatspin historian
it's almost like people shouldn't broadcast their meltdowns and allow themselves private moments to wait and see if something is truly an issue or a miscommunication. i wouldn't judge the entire DSA off the tumblr army who's entire life is arguing online and maybe give credit to people creating policy proposals and you know, making sure their work group has the correct info out there. Also maybe look at the usefulness of a disability work group that doesn't do anything for disabled members but post about ableism. Instead of working with chapters to provide better live streaming solutions for meetings and actually finding places for the chapter to meet that everyone can get to, let's just post.

amber might be trolling and trying to rile these folks up because they're pissing her off, but she's right about them doing nothing but trying to erode structures so that their pretend contributions can be acknowledged.

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever
they weren't contacted about the M4A manifesto, then when they bitched about it they get called... cops and/or mentally ill...

but also they're supposed to show up and set up a VTC system, when most chapters don't have a set of guidelines about accessibility

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Maybe a non-disabled supervisor to oversee their work, and working conditions? That way communications aren't mistakenly unanswered

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

padijun posted:

they weren't contacted about the M4A manifesto, then when they bitched about it they get called... cops and/or mentally ill...

but also they're supposed to show up and set up a VTC system, when most chapters don't have a set of guidelines about accessibility

Because maybe instead of throwing a tantrum and going to twitter they send an email or call someone asking if there was a mistake (which there was.)

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

padijun posted:

they weren't contacted about the M4A manifesto, then when they bitched about it they get called... cops and/or mentally ill...

but also they're supposed to show up and set up a VTC system, when most chapters don't have a set of guidelines about accessibility

because instead of doing what normal people do they went right to "SHE MUST BE FIRED THIS IS HER WHEELING US INTO THE GAS CHAMBERS I AM SCREAMING INTO MY PHONE AS WE SPEAK"

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever

papa horny michael posted:

Maybe a non-disabled supervisor to oversee their work, and working conditions? That way communications aren't mistakenly unanswered

Yeah, someone overseeing the national organization so they don't gently caress up communicating with individual WGs would be a great idea

DeNomolos
Jan 10, 2013

mild mannered meatspin historian

padijun posted:

they weren't contacted about the M4A manifesto, then when they bitched about it they get called... cops and/or mentally ill...

but also they're supposed to show up and set up a VTC system, when most chapters don't have a set of guidelines about accessibility

what do they do

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever

ChuckDeNomolos posted:

what do they do

well you've already told us they're lazy whiny pieces of poo poo who Just Post, so I assume that's what you want to hear?

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
it was just a miscommunication but hey it's fun to assume that people who belong to the same organization as you and who ostensibly share your political beliefs are deliberately trying to screw you. so instead of getting in contact with them to clarify things, you round up a shrieking social media mob and try to get someone kicked out of the org.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

padijun posted:

they weren't contacted about the M4A manifesto, then when they bitched about it they get called... cops and/or mentally ill...

but also they're supposed to show up and set up a VTC system, when most chapters don't have a set of guidelines about accessibility

they are literally mentally ill and that is their disability. these arent wheelchair guys complaining, theyre extremely online autists. they are incapable of controlled rational thought and should be treated like toddlers if that is what they want. careful calls and emails whenever anything happens to make sure they get the memo and dont throw a temper tantrum. politics are a field of representation but i dont think our representatives ought to feature this particular limitation

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Are you guys in the dsa?

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
im a retarded gay fourteen year old that lives in south carolina

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Skip My Posts posted:

Are you guys in the dsa?

Not me, I organize with a socialist group that is generally not online except for recordings of talks and a bookstore. DSA comrades of mine tell me stories of bickering that make me feel I generally made the right choice, but regardless I like to think that eventually a layer of competent organizers will help direct the DSA into a more effective vehicle of workers struggle. When that happens, I think this low level drama will become more diffuse and less paralyzing.


You have to have some optimism as an activist, you know?

Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jan 9, 2018

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
dsa effectiveness definitely seems to vary wildly from chapter to chapter

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe

padijun posted:

they weren't contacted about the M4A manifesto, then when they bitched about it they get called... cops and/or mentally ill...

but also they're supposed to show up and set up a VTC system, when most chapters don't have a set of guidelines about accessibility
THEY didn't bitch about it. They contacted the M4A organizers and cleared it up. A bunch of loving lunatic cops on twitter bitched about it on their behalf, without asking them first.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Would it be fair to say that DSA wasn’t built to handle the massive increase in membership and attention that it got in the last two years?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

scary ghost dog posted:

im a retarded gay fourteen year old that lives in south carolina

hey you wanna do 9/11

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

scary ghost dog posted:

im a retarded gay fourteen year old that lives in south carolina

same here,

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

Henchman of Santa posted:

Would it be fair to say that DSA wasn’t built to handle the massive increase in membership and attention that it got in the last two years?

definitely but some seem more able to handle it than others

Metro DC's chapter seems great and has great projects going on than you can just jump on and that seems best

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
So nobody here is even in the freakin dsa?

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
this isn't the cum town thread

pseudosavior
Apr 14, 2006

Don't you do cocaine at ME,
you son of a bitch!

Skip My Posts posted:

So nobody here is even in the freakin dsa?

I have considered it for some time now, and still am considering joining, but seeing childish poo poo like this current freak-out and other equally childish online nonsense keeps pushing me back from officially taking the leap, as does my position in the middle of farmland nowhere: equidistant to any actual established chapter, and I don't have anywhere near the free time necessary to even consider starting a chapter, so... yeah.

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Apr 16, 2017

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papa horny michael posted:

I want my infighting and corruption to scale!

Just upload it to the cloud.

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