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D_Smart posted:Seriously, I was planning on publishing it this year. But once I got wind of the brewing lawsuit early last year, I decided to hold off on it. My publisher agrees. No problem. I just wanted to budget this years expenses on whether it would be a few bucks postage or if I need to arrange a freight carrier to offload your tome with a lift gate and a pallet jack.
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Truga posted:Realtalk though, this is patently not true. Victim blaming is wrong, even if that victim is dumb af. What about Stockholm Syndrom accomplices? Because, honestly, some of these shitizens are very much so in that territory whenever they start to harass or threaten bodily harm upon detractors. But yea, despite them being roped into literal pyramid selling, I deffo wouldn't go after them on that score.
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big nipples big life posted:the worst kind of grief that triples every ANAL post the worst kind of ANAL...
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Jan 9, 2018 16:28
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ManofManyAliases posted:Why are any of us here? Dreams, man. The Dreams.
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ManofManyAliases posted:Why are any of us here? AP posted:It's more fun than playing 3.0. Also because car talk > legal talk (sorry Toast, your profession is as stale to me as the video game travesty your company makes). At least the actual legal beagles of the thread spiced it up at the beginning of the debate, which was cool and good.
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I'm confused: do we think CryTek does, or does not, have a strong case, here? I can't even come close to reading every post in here, but my skimming is showing a lot of people who seem to be coming to the conclusion that CIG is actually in the right. Is that correct, or did I just happen to skim the wrong posts, or what?
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Combat Theory posted:Also because car talk > legal talk (sorry Toast, your profession is as stale to me as the video game travesty your company makes). At least the actual legal beagles of the thread spiced it up at the beginning of the debate, which was cool and good. car talk owns and makes me miss my piece of poo poo pickup truck. Although I can't say I'd trade my current vehicle for it, that thing was a glorious pile of American made garbage.
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In short, the game, the lawsuit and this thread is a clusterfuck. It's that drat simple. Yet we argue over it. Makes the world go around.
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Beet Wagon posted:I'm sorry I couldn't come parp around the stars with you, Agent. I was doing more useful things than playing Star Citizen, like sleeping.
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Sorry, moons. Moons. Clip through moons together.
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big nipples big life posted:the worst kind of ANAL alert It’s the 9th, LETS GET POSTING
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TheAgent posted:Let me know when you're up for it sometime in the near future. I'll hop on your stream and we can clip through worlds together. Here's the thing: I'm genuinely not sure I even can stream it. The performance is so goddamn bad I think if I try to add streaming on top it might explode my computer. But either way my new schedule is pretty wide open most afternoons, so we'll figure something out.
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even on my hardware (i7-5820K, 16 gigs ddr4, samsung ssd, 980ti) it skips and judders like complete poo poo, especially if someone decides to spawn the bigger ships the micro (and sometimes not micro) pauses every 10 to 15 seconds drives me absolutely bonkers but it is fun finding new ways to completely gently caress with the game, like pushing people into their own ships so the ships despawn
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Nice piece of fish posted:Pajero is a great winter car. Just fantastic, and a great drive. It's him, in the gay prostitute car!
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I'm confused: do we think CryTek does, or does not, have a strong case, here? I can't even come close to reading every post in here, but my skimming is showing a lot of people who seem to be coming to the conclusion that CIG is actually in the right. Is that correct, or did I just happen to skim the wrong posts, or what? I think that people in here have a lot looser grasp on law than they might indicate, which is leading them to go with whatever sounds plausible at the moment. CIG released a strongly worded rebuttal of the original claims and a lot of people don't want to be caught out by saying "Oh Crytek's case totally has merit" and then having the whole thing thrown out of court, so they are hedging their bets by kind of gesturing at the possibility that CIG might be in the right. In another couple weeks Skadden will probably issue some kind of counter-statement and then the pendulum will swing back. Personally I have no idea, law is all beyond me and I have no interest in it, but looking at historic trends, CIG has demonstrated systematic incompetence in everything they have ever touched except crowdfunding itself. They've skirted the bounds of the law when issuing refunds, they seemingly went way over the line in their discriminatory hiring/firing practices, they are clearly demonstrably incompetent with money and they have an obvious history of abusing outside contractors. None of these things are really in dispute. I see no reason why they would be any more competent at staying within legal bounds with the company that made their engine. The only real question is whether or not Crytek really wants to take them through court, and they as a company do seem pretty spiteful, so I'd lay good odds on it.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Where the hell are we with the winter sale contest BTW. 2017-12-22 $68,832 2017-12-23 $188,723 2017-12-24 $190,559 2017-12-25 $152,451 2017-12-26 $147,661 2017-12-27 $149,847 2017-12-28 $141,118 2017-12-29 $143,248 2017-12-30 $128,102 2017-12-31 $135,254 2018-01-01 $105,806 2018-01-02 $108,695 2018-01-03 $100,408 2018-01-04 $95,074 2018-01-05 $100,820 2018-01-06 $127,076 2018-01-07 $114,727 2018-01-08 $109,713 TOTAL : $2.308M 1 more week to go.  Phi230 EminusSleepus Lack of Gravitas Sarsapariller Drunk Theory Mr Fronts Quinntan Thirsty Dog VealCutlet Golli Jum-Jum Goredema D_Smart intardnation
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ManofManyAliases posted:Why are any of us here? We are all here to discuss the failed, dead Star Citizen videogame project and the ongoing fundraising scam somewhat tangentially attached to it.
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Sarsapariller posted:I think that people in here have a lot looser grasp on law than they might indicate I spent at least 12 pages wondering what kind of tort everyone was eating and why it kept coming up in conversation.
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Sarsapariller posted:I think that people in here have a lot looser grasp on law than they might indicate, which is leading them to go with whatever sounds plausible at the moment. CIG released a strongly worded rebuttal of the original claims and a lot of people don't want to be caught out by saying "Oh Crytek's case totally has merit" and then having the whole thing thrown out of court, so they are hedging their bets by kind of gesturing at the possibility that CIG might be in the right. Put me on the other end of the scale. CIG will continue to exist completely at Crytek's whim, CIG will be privately begging Crytek to settle for whatever cash they can raise. A war bond settlement, no RSI credits accepted.
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Sarsapariller posted:I think that people in here have a lot looser grasp on law than they might indicate, which is leading them to go with whatever sounds plausible at the moment. CIG released a strongly worded rebuttal of the original claims and a lot of people don't want to be caught out by saying "Oh Crytek's case totally has merit" and then having the whole thing thrown out of court, so they are hedging their bets by kind of gesturing at the possibility that CIG might be in the right. In another couple weeks Skadden will probably issue some kind of counter-statement and then the pendulum will swing back. Crobblers was destroyed before by a breach of contract before and run out of Hollywood. I know little about law but I suspect history will repeat itself because CIG has demonstrated itself to be a dipshit clown show. Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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D_Smart posted:uhm why? It's not my lawsuit and I have no stake in it. I have always said several times that I just don't see how they don't settle this because the alternative is disastrous for CIG. I do have that impression from your flurry of tweets but honestly I read them all whilst drinking half a bottle of that yellow italian alcohol that the wife had in the cupboard, in a failed attempt to cure the weirdest and worse case of jetlag and insomnia I've had in years. Then exclusive/not exclusive/nand exclusive chat happened and after that, well that was a spiral into utter madness So disregard and gently caress it I still think settling is the best and most sensible decision which is why I expect CIG to instruct their comedy lawyer to NOT settle and fight it. I'm also not convinced they CAN settle because they look really really desperate for cash and talent right now and I don't think good decisions are being made within that environment.
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big nipples big life posted:the worst kind of ANAL alert What surely all of us agree on yet probably escapes the fiery, furious eyes of Ortwin and Chris is that the longer they protract and more fiercely they fight this lawsuit, the more they assure that the dominant CIG narrative of 2018 is “troubled project continues legal fight.” It seems obvious and mundane so of course it would probably escape their detection. CIG has earned heaps of headlines from their first two rounds with Crytek. They’re buying themselves all kinds of new mindshare of the lousiest kind with the very gamers they need to convert to new backers. GAMESPOT: Star Citizen Dev Responds To Crytek Lawsuit, Says It Makes "Scandalous" Claims Mad props for your bravado, guys; it makes for great quotable headline material that you really want associated with your game. You should really drag this out as long as you can and use the most histrionic language possible in any and all legal replies. Just a couple more months of this and you’ll have firmly cemented your brand’s reputation as the beleaguered, embattled vaporware studio that used to be making a space game or two but now just seems forever mired in controversy now including the legal kind. Every legal volley, every response and counter, is going to run the gaming media circuit as the last two have. It’s going to prompt new videos, punchlines, gossip and speculation. None of it is positive, unless you count scoring yet another CIG buttkissing montage from goofs like Montoya as a big PR win (hint: you get those for free anyway no matter what you do so it’s non-accretive.) Dragging it out harms you, CIG, far more than it can Crytek. You’re the studio that needs retail goodwill, the studio that hopes to sell 5 to 10 million units at some indeterminable point in the future and in the shorter term wants to win new backers to the cause. Each new headline with “lawsuit”, “scandalous”, “Star Citizen developer” in it is going to make it that much harder because all that new blood you want to start feeding off just might steer clear of you. They can’t be counted upon to believe that which we all already know, that Star Citizen is good.
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SomethingJones posted:I do have that impression from your flurry of tweets but honestly I read them all whilst drinking half a bottle of that yellow italian alcohol that the wife had in the cupboard, in a failed attempt to cure the weirdest and worse case of jetlag and insomnia I've had in years. Galliano, or some kind of limoncello?
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G0RF posted:FORBES: The Top Upcoming Videogames of 2018 and Beyond 
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Nice piece of fish posted:I guess, but sometimes bluster can be indicative of just having a terrible case too. I mean, sure it's rude to your opposing collegue, but if you have nothing you had better start pounding the table before looking hard at your settlement options. I've had to do it a few times, however I don't ever let clients put words in my mouth. I'm not that lazy, nor am I that stupid. Good post. FWIW any real actual lawgoons have my blessing to comment on the merits of the lawsuit. My blessing is worthless but still.
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Colostomy Bag posted:No problem. I just wanted to budget this years expenses on whether it would be a few bucks postage or if I need to arrange a freight carrier to offload your tome with a lift gate and a pallet jack. drat, I blew my book budget on Fire and Fury. Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I'm confused: do we think CryTek does, or does not, have a strong case, here? I can't even come close to reading every post in here, but my skimming is showing a lot of people who seem to be coming to the conclusion that CIG is actually in the right. Is that correct, or did I just happen to skim the wrong posts, or what? So, you asked, and technically they can't actually stop me, but it's a contract dispute probably going to jury trial, so nobody _really_ knows. The GLA is a portion of the entire suit, and there's other things that will come up. Personally, I think the claim of two games/one game could come down to a misunderstanding, but that's why 'intentional' was used. CiG appear to be doubling down in terms of the full-throated denial, but that's not unusual. Just settle in and enjoy. In other legal news, Milo Yiannopolous has decided to defend himself after his lawyers walked away, so it's pretty much christmas for the legal nerd.
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Wise Learned Man posted:Galliano, or some kind of limoncello? Limoncello from Lake Garda or Guarda or however you spell it Thought I was sober until I lay down, great loving stuff
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Sarsapariller posted:I think that people in here have a lot looser grasp on law than they might indicate, which is leading them to go with whatever sounds plausible at the moment. CIG released a strongly worded rebuttal of the original claims and a lot of people don't want to be caught out by saying "Oh Crytek's case totally has merit" and then having the whole thing thrown out of court, so they are hedging their bets by kind of gesturing at the possibility that CIG might be in the right. In another couple weeks Skadden will probably issue some kind of counter-statement and then the pendulum will swing back. And Skadden would have to be "negligent" in bringing the case because it was so easily dismissed so early in proceedings..... What are the odds that one of the biggest law firms in the world hosed up to this extent so soon ?
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G0RF posted:What surely all of us agree on yet probably escapes the fiery, furious eyes of Ortwin and Chris is that the longer they protract and more fiercely they fight this lawsuit, the more they assure that the dominant CIG narrative of 2018 is “troubled project continues legal fight.” It seems obvious and mundane so of course it would probably escape their detection. Brilliant, thoughtful, on point.
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Sarsapariller posted:I think that people in here have a lot looser grasp on law than they might indicate, which is leading them to go with whatever sounds plausible at the moment. It's more that circumstances change, and there's a limited view on the proceedings that's mediated by rumor and wishful thinking. I do this poo poo for fun, because while the rest of the country seems overly concerned with the passage of a pigskin egg, I lack the genes to try and support it, and find other pursuits. I freely admit that I don't have any legal chops other than coming into contact with it fairly consistently over the past couple of decade, and tell people to take everything I say with massive quantities of salt. Also, it's a jury trial, so ultimately this is going to come down 12 people listening to the arguments from both sides. The Plaintiff rolling out CiGs own video is the thing that keeps me warm at night. That they're using Chris' own words is the most interesting part to me.
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I'm confused: do we think CryTek does, or does not, have a strong case, here? I can't even come close to reading every post in here, but my skimming is showing a lot of people who seem to be coming to the conclusion that CIG is actually in the right. Is that correct, or did I just happen to skim the wrong posts, or what? They probably have a strong case because CIG is incompetent, but on the other hand they are a failing company that just launched their own crypto currency so it might just be a last reaching cash grab.
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SomethingJones posted:I do have that impression from your flurry of tweets but honestly I read them all whilst drinking half a bottle of that yellow italian alcohol that the wife had in the cupboard, in a failed attempt to cure the weirdest and worse case of jetlag and insomnia I've had in years. "I call it the Esther Rantzen, because of the way that it draws your lips back over your teeth" Sandweed posted:They probably have a strong case because CIG is incompetent, but on the other hand they are a failing company that just launched their own crypto currency so it might just be a last reaching cash grab. That's where the Turkish government money comes in. Crypto is finally beginning to loving arc into the sea, though.
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