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Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Zzr posted:

True. Evidence :

Good dog :3

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:04

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# ? May 21, 2024 15:43

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

ManofManyAliases posted:

If they are utilizing LY, and Amazon purchased a full license and right to sub license from CryTek, how is that a competing engine? I read that as UE4, Unity, etc...

What definition of "competing" are you using? CIG moved from CryTek to Amazon because they were both competing for the same customer's business and Amazon won the competition. It's literally a text book example of the term.

If two supermarkets sell bottles of coke they're still in competition with each other even though they're both selling the exact same product. That's what competition means.

I mean gently caress, if CryTek and Amazon had agreed to sign a non compete clause it would prevent Amazon from doing exactly what they did in this case.

I seriously struggle to understand what basis you could be using for trying to say that Amazon is not a competitor to CryTek in this situation. CIG are 100% in violation of the non competition clause regardless of the termination of the contract, which is also in dispute since CIG have no obvious way to have terminated it legally, but even if they did the contract is clearly designed to prevent them from continuing development of the game in another engine.

Chalks fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jan 12, 2018

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:05

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

XK posted:

There's hundreds of people looking at us right now, and they never post.

Creepy.

The silent lurker population here varies but over the course of a given month but includes:

CIG folk like the thread intern, who feels like an old pal or pal-ette at this point (Raises glass, nods understandingly.)
Foundry folk with complicated feelings
Relay folk and other streamers who mostly despise us and believe we are all of one mind controlled by Derek
Friendly Heretics silently monitoring for laughs
Denizens from /SC picking up �intel� from Behind Enemy Lines because LARP!
Exiles from /DS who make screaming at their monitors a part of their daily therapeutic routine
Free-ranging skeptics from other SC discussion hubs like Frontier, MMORPG, 4chan, etc. who carry s back to their preferred SC homes
A few game journos/bloggers
Game industry folk picking up water cooler chatter (�You hear �you can fit all of Skyrim in there� crap? The nerve of that guy.)
LAZRIN!!!, the legend
Ex-CIG folks just having a
If Coutts and Crytek don�t have minions paying $10 yet they probably will once they figure out how much easier the research gets.

And more. Not all at once, not all the time, but regularly enough. Thread is, like Star Citizen, still good.

G0RF fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jan 12, 2018

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:06

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

Bofast posted:

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:07

Abuminable: Mar 30, 2017; Now, aside from the Abuminable, business goes on as usual.

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Good dog :3

Rachel

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:08

Bayonnefrog: Nov 9, 2017

TheAgent posted:

since I just hoovered up all the stellaris DLC, I realized I didn't get no space games for the thread for xmas this year

my fuckin bad

so here is the thread's Not-So-Secret Santa Streetroller Giveaway

no, no we ain't giving away streetroller. keep it in your pants ladies

what we are doing is gifting out some space games! please start your post like this

and then add something nice to say about our friend to cheer him up! I mean we're already kinda doing that anyway but whatever shut up just let me have this. then please choose from ONE JUST ONE YOU GREEDY SONS OF BITCHES of the following gifts

1 x Origin key for Mass Effect: Andromeda
1 x Steam key for Space Engineers
1 x Origin key for Star Wars: Battlefront II
1 x Steam key for WARHAMMER 40K: Dawn of War III
1 x Steam key for STAR OCEAN: The Last Hope

I will then probably just randomly pick the winners or something

the only thing you have to have to play is PMs enabled. that's it! even moma can come out to play!

Not a space game but you can get Civ VI for $12 right now on humble bundle. Sign up for 1 month then cancel.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:11

DapperDon: Sep 7, 2016

G0RF posted:

The silent lurker population here varies but over the course of a given month but includes:

CIG folk like the thread intern, who feels like an old pal or pal-ette at this point (Raises glass, nods understandingly.)

Foundry folk with complicated feelings

Relay folk and other streamers who mostly despise us and believe we are all of one mind controlled by Derek

Friendly Heretics silently monitoring for laughs

Denizens from /SC picking up �intel� from Behind Enemy Lines because LARP!

Exiles from /DS who make screaming at their monitors a part of their daily therapeutic routine

Free-ranging skeptics from other SC discussion hubs like Frontier, MMORPG, 4chan, etc. who carry s back to their preferred SC homes

A few game journos/bloggers

Game industry folk picking up water cooler chatter (�You hear �you can fit all of Skyrim in there� crap? The nerve of that guy.)

LAZRIN!!!, the legend

Ex-CIG folks just having a

If Coutts and Crytek don�t have minions paying $10 yet they probably will once they figure out how much easier the research gets.

And more. Not all at once, not all the time, but regularly enough. Thread is, like Star Citizen, still good.

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# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:11

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

DapperDon posted:

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# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:15

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Not-So-Secret Santa Streetroller Giveaway
PO Box "That Star Citizen Thread"
Beverly Hills, CA
90210

Dear Streetroller,

You may not know me, but I'm sure you've heard about me from a manifesto that seems to see the light of day from time to time in this thread. I'm the Stimperor, and it is with a heavy heart (and a few amputated fingers and blood) that I pen this letter to you. You may have preconceived notions of me that may make me look unfavorable to a few people. But don't let those stories of torture, vivisection, liquid skeletons and other atrocities cloud your judgement. I'm actually an okay guy. It isn't easy ruling trillions of people.

The reason I'm writing you this letter is to say that the comments horrified me and sickened me in ways I never thought possible. In light of this I might review some of my own procedures of rule and adjust if necessary.

If you are ever in the neighborhood of the 4th Stimpire, stop in for a visit and be my guest at a banquet featuring civil meat. Unless you were born on July 14th and then I suggest we remain pen pals.

Respectfully yours,

The Stimperor, esq

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:16

monkeytek: Jun 8, 2010; It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

TheAgent posted:

also me:

He forgot the 5w30, is weak.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:16

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

TheAgent posted:

Hav fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jan 12, 2018

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:18

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

the blocked buddies tag is great, but where is the 4th stimpire tag

that's what this thread needs, its what it always needed

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:21

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Stop posting them god drat

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# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:23

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

tuo posted:

The VW Touareg, Porsche Cayenne and Audi Q7 never competed with each other, because they all share the same car underneath.

Or did they?

Competing for the spot of worst German car to leave factories.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:24

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

You made the stroke too big on the letters, it's covering the entire picture.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:25

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Seriously, like I know the line that separates us from reddit style garbage is thinner than the width of a human hair, but we can do better than memes and reaction gifs and poo poo.

Posting Rules posted:

Low Content Posts: Please do not make posts containing no content (ie, "first post," "hello, I'm new here," etc.). These just litter up the forums and with over 100,000 registered users, we need to eliminate these as much as possible. If you do not like a thread, then just vote it a "1" and move on; replies consisting solely of trolling fall into this category. As a general rule, write as if you were speaking in real life to another human being. Do not use any catchphrases, memes, internet slang, or any other crap that makes you look like a 12-year old.

Our bar for "low content" is low, so incredibly low that it might be underground. Please try and clear it.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:31

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

Ask not for whom the gif tolls, for it tolls for you.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:34

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Combat Theory posted:

Competing for the spot of worst German car to leave factories.

You mean like, right now, I assume? Because otherwise, they're well behind the good old Z8 � you know, Sandi's �favourite� in that ad she made?

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:34

GyverMac: Aug 3, 2006; My posting is like I Love Lucy without the funny bits. Basically, WAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Not-So-Secret Santa Streetroller Giveaway
PO Box "That Star Citizen Thread"
Beverly Hills, CA
90210

Dear Streetroller, I would like you to do the following; log on to your Youtube account and click the Settings button, should be a cog looking icon there. Then click on Video Manager. Choose your suing of chris roberts video, and hit the arrow by the edit button. Click on info and settings. Then click advanced settings and uncheck the "Allow comments" option. Then you should fire up a nice cigar and relax. Life is too loving short to be wasting it on delusional shitizen cultists.

Love, GyverMac

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:35

Bofast: Feb 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

PederP posted:

I don't have the legal expertise to have an informed opinion on the strength of the case, but I would be very surprised if there is not a massive amount of dirt to be found during discovery. I also suspect CryTek is doing this for more than purely monetary gain. CIG has poached their staff, slagged off their engine, made wild claims of how they've almost rebuilt the entire engine, turned a core marketing investment/partnership into a reputation loss, and the list goes on.

I really don't think this case can be thought about in simple of terms of right/wrong on contract details. This doesn't look like a carefully planned and executed siege to force a settlement. If the core is rotten, CryTek knows, and getting to discovery is enough to destroy CIG.

Story metaphor time: CryTek and Skadden are the longboats in the horizon. CIG and subsidiaries are holed up in their Anglo-Saxon castles. We have some knowledge of the disposition of forces, but it's limited and the full confrontation may even be prevented. We know CryTek have been starving in their boats, we know the mighty strength of the mercenary Skadden, but how strong are those castle walls and what defenders do they hold? Meanwhile everyone is debating whether catapults are good siege weapons. It's annoying and mostly irrelevant.

Turns out Croberts built the fancy castle walls on a foundation meant for a stable, so all you need to bring them down is get a warlord willing to clip through said walls and giving them a half decent push from the inside

peter gabriel posted:

It's simple really.
[...]
and CIG are loving idiots

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:39

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

Tippis posted:

You mean like, right now, I assume? Because otherwise, they're well behind the good old Z8 � you know, Sandi's �favourite� in that ad she made?

Oh yes. And let's not bring up NSUs or anything from east Germany "Rennpappe"

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:39

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

Bofast posted:

Turns out Croberts built the fancy castle walls on a foundation meant for a stable, so all you need to bring them down is get a warlord willing to clip through said walls and giving them a half decent push from the inside

you done goofed

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:40

Golli: Jan 5, 2013

TheAgent posted:

the blocked buddies tag is great, but where is the 4th stimpire tag

that's what this thread needs, its what it always needed

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:42

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

big nipples big life posted:

you done goofed

Careful now.

Edit: I disguised mine.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:45

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

ManofManyAliases posted:

If they are utilizing LY, and Amazon purchased a full license and right to sub license from CryTek, how is that a competing engine? I read that as UE4, Unity, etc...

It's a competing engine because you buy the license from Amazon and not Crytek.

Amazon bought a full license from Crytek, added value to the tech and sell licenses on the value added engine.

CIG bought a limited license from Crytek.

That's my understanding.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:47

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

G0RF posted:

The silent lurker population here varies but over the course of a given month but includes:

CIG folk like the thread intern, who feels like an old pal or pal-ette at this point (Raises glass, nods understandingly.)

Foundry folk with complicated feelings

Relay folk and other streamers who mostly despise us and believe we are all of one mind controlled by Derek

Friendly Heretics silently monitoring for laughs

Denizens from /SC picking up �intel� from Behind Enemy Lines because LARP!

Exiles from /DS who make screaming at their monitors a part of their daily therapeutic routine

Free-ranging skeptics from other SC discussion hubs like Frontier, MMORPG, 4chan, etc. who carry s back to their preferred SC homes

A few game journos/bloggers

Game industry folk picking up water cooler chatter (�You hear �you can fit all of Skyrim in there� crap? The nerve of that guy.)

LAZRIN!!!, the legend

Ex-CIG folks just having a

If Coutts and Crytek don�t have minions paying $10 yet they probably will once they figure out how much easier the research gets.

And more. Not all at once, not all the time, but regularly enough. Thread is, like Star Citizen, still good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:48

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

Hav posted:

Edit: I disguised mine.

I want to empty quote it but it feels like that could be dangerous

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:48

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

big nipples big life posted:

I want to empty quote it but it feels like that could be dangerous

NO! Save yourself! I've had my time!

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:51

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

peter gabriel posted:

I've probably dealt with citizens on youtube more than anyone and you have to flip it on its head. Encourage each and every one of them to post freely and comment more and more.
This is the absolute best way to make everyone reading their comments slowly back away and eventually see them as lunatics, they do it all for you, you just got to be bullet proof while they do.
I've lost count to the accounts that people have closed, deleted and abandoned because I let them hang themselves in public.
When they said 'I hope you get cancer' to me my inner babel fish translated that into 'look at how loving obnoxious I look'.
Not a single one of them has the balls to actually say anything insulting to anyone irl so don't let that worry you. See every insult as a badge of honor, every impotent rage directed your way as a certificate - these people are loving idiots and you invited them in, do not be concerned about them proceeding to try and eat your curtains and talk to your plant pots.

You should write a book on this.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:52

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

Beet Wagon posted:

Stop posting them god drat

*urge to post anime memes intensifies*

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:55

PederP: Nov 20, 2009

Bofast posted:

Turns out Croberts built the fancy castle walls on a foundation meant for a stable, so all you need to bring them down is get a warlord willing to clip through said walls and giving them a half decent push from the inside

Well, it also looks like Streetroller the Boneless has challenged King Crobberts to a legal holmgang in the icy wastelands of New Jersey. If Crobberts doesn't show he shall be known as a Nidding, cursed by men and gods alike. Such a brand would weaken him even further in the coming battle against the Skadden warrior-mystic, McMinnick.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:55

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

ManofManyAliases posted:

If they are utilizing LY, and Amazon purchased a full license and right to sub license from CryTek, how is that a competing engine? I read that as UE4, Unity, etc...

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:55

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

I feel a fraud. The old ignorant meme would've posted an anime meme by now.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:56

Golli: Jan 5, 2013

The Titanic posted:

You should write a book on this.

Drink from a bripe during a youtube video if you need inspiration.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:56

The Rabbi T. White: Jul 17, 2008

2 probations? You've done it now, Beet.

Taking bets on how long until the FYAD concern trolling begins.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 19:57

BeigeJacket: Jul 21, 2005

Not-So-Secret Santa Streetroller Giveaway
PO Box "That Star Citizen Thread"
Beverly Hills, CA
90210

Dear Streetroller,

Dude, you really look like early-to-mid-80s era Stephen King which is absolutely a compliment cos thats when he made Maximum Overdrive.

Regards,

BeigeJacket

# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:01

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Toops posted:

Nice post, and I'll just add this: Even if your feature design is simple, such as
code:
{"air": 1.0}
Instead of
code:
 {"nitrogen": 0.7809, "oxygen": 0.2095, "argon": 0.0093, "carbonDioxide": 0.0004}
that in itself doesn't automatically make the code simple. See folks, the hard part of programming isn't writing code that does a thing, it's the code that glues them all together, sends messages between all the different systems, and generally makes them work in concert to form a cohesive system, so that every function knows what to do, when to do it, and has the information it needs when they get called on.

It doesn't take programming experience to know that SC's code is a colossal goat-gently caress in this regard. You can feel it. Your intuition knows something is wrong down in the guts. Overall low framerates, massive game locks on the order of seconds, ridiculous collision/clipping issues, unresponsive UI, unresponsive actions (ahem doors, ramps), poor maintenance of state (doors and ramps again), etc. The engine is choking and sputtering like an old lawnmower that sat out in the yard naked all winter, because the information is poorly manicured, and the inter-system messaging is hosed.

If you're interacting with a system in SC, chances are 1 of 2 things are true:
1. That system doesn't have the info it needs and locks up waiting for someone to kindly send it along
2. The opposite; That system gets loving HADOKEN'd with a poo poo-heap of data, most of it totally superfluous, and has to dig through it with a fine-toothed comb to pull out a couple params

In my experience writing game code, this is much harder to get right than most other types of applications, for two reasons, which form a deadly binity:
1. Game code is inherently stateful
2. That state needs to be analyzed, compared with player input, altered, and bundled up into a frame that the video card won't choke on, as fast as loving possible.

You can't wait. If you do, you block the main update loop and boom, the game locks up, chugs, and the hapless player thinks "the gently caress is this poo poo?" Every compute cycle is precious.

A good SC example is when a ship spawns on the pad I'm standing on. Literal megabytes of unfathomably complex data structures describing every nuance of every component of the overdesigned fidelity chariot blast into your game client like the loving Kool-Aid Man, sending waves of panic and abject terror through every corner of your operating system.

Now, let's think about what happens here. This is massively over-simplified, and I added some details to help explain how this data is used, but when some rear end in a top hat spawns an Idris, the server will send you a hulking data structure that looks something like this:
code:
{
  entityType: ship,
  name: Idris,
  model: models\ships\idris\chassis\idrisChassisModel.dat,
  position: {x: 2910, y: 99, z: 194729},
  positionType: world,
  components: [
    {
      entityType: mainEngine,
      name: idrisMainEngine01,
      model: models\ships\idris\engines\idrisMainEngineModel.dat,
      position: {x: -20, y: 0, z: -500},
      positionType: rel
    },
    {
      entityType: rcsThruster,
      name: idrisMainEngine,
      model: models\ships\idris\engines\idrisMainEngineModel.dat,
      position: {x: 20, y: 0, z: -500},
      positionType: rel
    },
    {
      entityType: outerDoor,
      name: idrisOuterDoor001,
      model: models\ships\doors\idris\idrisOuterDoorModel.dat,
      position: {x: -150, y: 20, z: 200},
      positionType: rel
    },
    {
      entityType: outerDoor,
      name: idrisOuterDoor002,
      model: models\ships\idris\doors\idrisOuterDoorModel.dat,
      position: {x: 150, y: 20, z: 200},
      positionType: rel
    },
    {
      entityType: ramp,
      name: idrisMainRamp,
      model: models\ships\idris\ramps\idrisMainRamp.dat,
      position: {x: 150, y: 20, z: 200},
      positionType: rel
    },
... etc
Every one of those "components" are separate entities with their own 3d model. Each one has to be unraveled and loaded into objects (unmarshalled), their 3d model information retrieved from disk and loaded into ram/videoram, assembled according to their relative position, and plonked down into the game world at so-and-so position. As you can imagine, the more poo poo you have to unravel and load, the longer it takes. This is what pisses me off so much about Chris Roberts and his "FIDELETY" obsession. There is a very clear point where there's just too much information to process and your game locks up, the servers poo poo themselves, and the whole thing collapses under its own weight.

So what do you do? Well, you can make the ships simpler, which ain't gonna happen in a million hand-waving lifetimes, or you can defer the processing in order to unblock the main update loop. But that adds complexity, and now you have a state problem. Is the ship there or isn't it? Do I load each entity in its own thread? Well, how do I know when the ship is "assembled?" Surely some will load faster than others which means each ship component will "pop in" when it's good and god drat ready. And do you really think that'll fly in The Chris Robert Fidelity Funhouse? OK, so do I wait for every component's model to load in memory before it's allowed to visually spawn? Well if so, now every component has to report its state to some main-brain statekeeper who stands there with a clipboard checking boxes, then says yep, everyone is present and accounted for, let's glue all these 3d models together and start rendering it. What if we need to add a Hairy Roberts Drinkblaster 8000 to the bridge? How many lines of code will that touch?

This is why SC is getting worse, not better. They barely know what each system will do, and they' haven't even considered how they will communicate. Chris and his ramshackle crew of "game designers" are jamming panicky, poorly-conceived features down the devs' throats, who are forced to plop brittle, rushed //TODO: Fix This code into this witch's steaming poo poo cauldron. And man, I don't need to tell you, it's boiling over.

And so Star Citizen the computer program is just getting worse, and worse, and slower, and buggier, and choppier, and crashier as the bloated, abominable kludge slowly grinds to a halt and eats itself like Pizza the Hut.

This all happened because CIG did it full-on gently caress backwards. Your game designers need to have a really solid idea of not only what the systems are, but how the systems logically interact in order to build a gamified, cohesive logical flow that results in a fluid, contiguous causal map that resembles a game. You need to strip your features of all fluff, avoid details like the plague, keeping them simple, stark, and easy to understand. You need to build and assemble them as quickly as possible so you can prove your concept, and adjust the design when your assumptions don't all come true. Then you iterate, redesign, re-write, and hopefully, if you kept things simple, this isn't a massive undertaking. Code has to be designed to be flexible, but only flexible in the right ways. Too much flexibility kills your code because it's easier/cleaner to write something concrete. Death by a thousand ifs. And it really, really helps when you can do this without having to waste time on premature minutiae, trillions of polygons, sizzle-reel polish, drink machines, jacket layering, loving ARGON, etc.

Now the final coup-de-grace, which brings it home to my original point: Even if you do all this right and keep it simple, things that look simple on paper often blow up when you start coding. Simple components (in this case, "game systems") can fall apart at the seams when they have to start playing with others. But CIG doesn't have this problem, because they've never done anything simple. They still don't even know what their game systems are supposed to do, let alone how to code them individually, let alone how to assemble them into a working game, let alone how to make that game fun.

In closing, Star Citizen is not good, it's not bad. It's nothing. A huge. loving. Nothingburger.

This is a fantastic post. I always appreciate your in depth views and methods of coding and construction of game systems. You�ve got a wealth of knowledge it seems!

# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:03

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

PederP posted:

Well, it also looks like Streetroller the Boneless has challenged King Crobberts to a legal holmgang in the icy wastelands of New Jersey. If Crobberts doesn't show he shall be known as a Nidding, cursed by men and gods alike. Such a brand would weaken him even further in the coming battle against the Skadden warrior-mystic, McMinnick.

Odin smartfather approves this from the goon table in Valhalla

# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:07

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Solarin posted:

Thanks Chris for helping me better understand a publishers POV when they cancel a project that's in a death spiral

This is the ultimate realization I think a lot of people have had.

If anything, SC is going to make groups like EA and other publishers look better because gently caress! Look at the kinds of crazy people they need to put up with to actually build a video game!

Now I�m sure CR is his own special snow flake, but his game surely isn�t the first that has entered development hell that it simply can�t escape from. This mess should have been canned a few years ago, and most definitely this last December 2016 when the whole Lumberyard junk took place.

SC needs to scrap and rebuild, but the money is probably long gone to support that, and backers won�t like it, and I don�t think *deep breath* Chris Roberts could handle the truth.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:08

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# ? May 21, 2024 15:43

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

SomethingJones posted:

It's a competing engine because you buy the license from Amazon and not Crytek.

Amazon bought a full license from Crytek, added value to the tech and sell licenses on the value added engine.

CIG bought a limited license from Crytek.

That's my understanding.

Correct. That people are even questioning this amazes me. It's a license, and a license indicates a relationship between two parties, in this case CryTek and CIG. Amazon does not figure into it. CIG jumped ship to Amazon specifically because it was nearly the same engine with a better deal, but I don't think the technicality that some stupid cultists have latched onto (i.e. "It's the same engine so they didn't breach license checkmate goonies") is anything CIG expected to argue, and I still don't think they'll try it. They bet everything that CryTek would dissolve, and they did everything they could to accelerate that event. CIG never intended to honor that contract, like everything else they do. When CryTek pulled a "RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE" CIG was put on the defensive.

The only way out for CIG is to use the same tactic they've used on every aspect of this project from its inception: fraud. Expect them to use lots of attempts at Hollywood courtroom tactics that don't actually exist in the real world ("gotcha" moments in the fine print, "getting off on technicalities", a surprise witness has something to say right before the gavel drops, etc.) whose hilarious dismissals will fuel this thread for another year at least.

# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:11

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