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I think a lot of fans are convinced that the RichRod firing was unjust and bad, when in fact it was righteous and good. And that hiring a triple option coach from the AAC is "beneath" Arizona because they're fair-weather fans. RichRod was a good coach but a bad person and Niumatalolo would be a huge upgrade on both fronts.
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swickles posted:He is a good coach, but if he installs the triple option I can see being disappointed because that is basically admitting you are fine with occasionally getting a shot at a conference title and nothing more. That's all they'd ever get anyway
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The triple option is a troll offense meant to ruin the knees of your conference's best teams en route to the triple option team missing bowl games every 2 years
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Arizona has one Pac-10 championship. They shared it. Let's be realistic.
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swickles posted:He is a good coach, but if he installs the triple option I can see being disappointed because that is basically admitting you are fine with occasionally getting a shot at a conference title and nothing more. Compared to exactly what now? I remember reading some article that said Ken (or was it Jasper, I dunno) is only a year or two away from earning those sweet sweet Navy benefits for life. That's a good carrot to hold out for.
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Metapod posted:That's all they'd ever get anyway Maybe, but now is a really good time to try can elevate your program in the Pac. The question isn't over whether or not that will happen, but whether or not you are ok with admitting it to your fanbase.
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swickles posted:He is a good coach, but if he installs the triple option I can see being disappointed because that is basically admitting you are fine with occasionally getting a shot at a conference title and nothing more. I don't know why this has to be true but even if it is it'd represent the peak of Arizona football. He also doesn't necessarily have to run a flexbone triple option. That's an offense that makes sense for a service academy but it doesn't mean he'd commit to doing it elsewhere. I'm sure whatever he does will be very option heavy but I'd guess it'd be something closer to what Rich Rod was already doing. MourningView fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:And that hiring a triple option coach from the AAC is "beneath" Arizona because they're fair-weather fans. I remember their last run in with an AAC squad didn't go so well
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pillsburysoldier posted:The triple option is a troll offense meant to ruin the knees of your conference's best teams en route to the triple option team missing bowl games every 2 years
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I don't think that's the case. I think Niumatalolo is probably a better head coach than Paul Johnson, all things considered, so I don't think the Paul Johnson experience would be what Arizona would get. I do hope that they look at this stuff and realize that the long-term health of the football program is probably more important than what Khalil Tate thinks, regardless of how good Tate is (and he's loving incredible). Niumatalolo would be super popular in Tucson; he'd fit in great (though caveat: I haven't lived in Tucson in 12 years). Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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swickles posted:Maybe, but now is a really good time to try can elevate your program in the Pac. The question isn't over whether or not that will happen, but whether or not you are ok with admitting it to your fanbase. That would be elevating their program. What makes you think they have any realistic shot at more than that? USC is coming off a Rose Bowl followed by a conference title, UCLA just hired Chip, and Washington doesn't show any signs off dropping off significatly under Peterson. Occasional conference title sounds really loving good
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Also yeah, Arizona contending every few years would be incredible. I'd kill just for a bowl game every year.
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swickles posted:Maybe, but now is a really good time to try can elevate your program in the Pac. The question isn't over whether or not that will happen, but whether or not you are ok with admitting it to your fanbase. Maybe you're seeing something I don't, but with Chip Kelly coming in this in fact seems like a pretty bad time to be in the Pac-12 South for what is generally a mediocre football program. E: Team beat reporters suggest an offer's been made. Rick fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/AnwarRichardson/status/951880172835409921 That is... odd
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Arizona has one Pac-10 championship. They shared it. Baylor has a Big 12 championship. Wazzu has won the PAC10. Mizzou made 2 straight SEC championships. There’s no reason Arizona can’t win the PAC12 with the right coach.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Baylor has a Big 12 championship. Wazzu has won the PAC10. Mizzou made 2 straight SEC championships. There is also no reason for them to expect it and turn their nose up at what it clearly a very good coach just because they don't think he's going to turn them into USC. There is also no reason to think that Ken can't be that coach for them. Paul Johnson has won the ACC and been to multiple BCS bowls with Georgia Tech. MourningView fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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MourningView posted:
yeah, Ken is an option guy, but I don't think he is married to the 'bone considering that he has already had Navy lining up in shotgun periodically, which they never used to do. given access to normal D1 athletes, I can see him installing an updated spread option offense like the one New Mexico runs (which owns) bad news about the offense you were already running, khalil it was...option
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Baylor has a Big 12 championship. Wazzu has won the PAC10. Mizzou made 2 straight SEC championships. They CAN but that post was in response to it being said that this hire could ONLY result in an occasional conference title. They've never won it outright at all. If that's a coach's cap he's an improvement to what they are. Sumlin at a very expensive price seems to be what he's being chosen over and given what people have posted here it feels like similar caps.
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Seems alright to me. Experienced guy at the QC position so he can evaluate film with no real power. Saban style
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PupsOfWar posted:bad news about the offense you were already running, khalil Dammit you beat me to making this comment. Whether or not Ken goes full flexbone/triple option or implements some read option, Tate is still going to be doing what he does best in running the ball.
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Rick posted:They CAN but that post was in response to it being said that this hire could ONLY result in an occasional conference title. They've never won it outright at all. If that's a coach's cap he's an improvement to what they are. And I don't know how anyone can definitively say Sumlin's ceiling is higher
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swickles posted:He is a good coach, but if he installs the triple option I can see being disappointed because that is basically admitting you are fine with occasionally getting a shot at a conference title and nothing more. Wouldn't that be better than Florida post Tebow? Also, if you win the Pac12 once every few years you can get to the playoffs.
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There's a pretty significant gap between flexbone and RichRod's spread option. Maybe Tate doesn't want to be under center or, more likely, maybe Tate doesn't want to get abused every game. Regardless of how successful a flexbone QB is in a given game they're going to get mauled and Tate may not want to be a part of that. I'm not even sure Tate would like running an inverted veer. He'll probably get over it regardless but with a chance at a coach like that you tell Tate to tow the line or get out anyway.
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Dango Bango posted:Dammit you beat me to making this comment. Whether or not Ken goes full flexbone/triple option or implements some read option, Tate is still going to be doing what he does best in running the ball.  Tate is actually a very good passer! This is likely amplified a great deal by Arizona's awesome running game, but he does have incredible touch and can make some amazing passes.The thing is, though: a coach shouldn't be brought in based on the current personnel. You don't want to lose a guy like Khalil Tate, but if he isn't on board that cannot be a deal-breaker for hiring a coach, because Tate will exhaust his eligibility in two years, and your coach, presumably, will still be around. If you think your coach can win, he should be able to win without your star player--otherwise, why are you hiring him? I hope Heeke realizes that the backlash is because fans are stupid as poo poo, not because Niumatalolo isn't the right hire--he absolutely would be a better hire than Sumlin in my mind, but fans are loving mad, apparently. UCLA got the home-run hire of this year, but Niumatalolo would be the easy runner-up. EDIT: For the record I would be 100% happy with Sumlin, he'd be a very good hire for Arizona. But I think long-term Niumatalolo is the easy choice. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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MourningView posted:And I don't know how anyone can definitively say Sumlin's ceiling is higher Sumlin is a career 8-4 guy Arizona should be thrilled if they go 8-4 every year
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I’d be thrilled with Niumatalolo personally. Arizona just doesn’t have the recruiting base or facilities to compete with the major powers so someone who runs an unorthodox system seems great. You’re never going to beat them at their own game so creativity is key. And weird offenses are a big part of why I like college football anyways.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Sumlin is a career 8-4 guy Not all 8-4s are equal. Matt Campbell is one of the hottest coaches in the country after going 7-5 because he did it at Iowa State. If he did that at Alabama he'd get fired. Sumlin was going 8-4 at places where it's way easier to recruit (relative to competition) and go 8-4 than it is at Arizona. On the other hand navy is a much harder job with all sorts of restrictions that won't be there at Arizona. MourningView fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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buddhanc posted:Seems alright to me. Experienced guy at the QC position so he can evaluate film with no real power. Saban style He must either be nearly unemployable or really really want to coach under Herman. OC > QC is quite the drop down the ranks, QC is what you do when you're trying to break into the business.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:
Niumatalolo is meeting with the Navy team tomorrow so I guess we'll know either way. For what it's worth I'm mostly seeing the anger turn around over the day but this may just be a case of the Twitter algorithm deciding to show me what I want to see. I absolutely understand where THE PLAYERS are coming from because Yates is super popular and did somehow turn a pretty young defense into one of the best Arizona's seen in a while. I just have watched the dude in interviews and like I was still quietly pulling for him to get the job on an emotional level. And I have a bad feeling he may end up a pretty good coach somewhere else. But separating my emotions from it, that seems like a pretty hard hire to make.
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8-4 when you're playing the SEC West, and also Texas A&M hasn't been a top program in a while, and when they were it was mainly due to massive cheating and Texas being down.Cnidario posted:Better than OC at Rutgers He wanted the job though, and weirdly we had no interest. They somehow backed into a decent hire though.
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Welp https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/952583419577454599 I do hope that Arizona didn't try to insist he do something other than whatever the gently caress he wants, or insist that he do something that makes Khalil Tate happy. That would be the stupidest reason to not hire a coach. I can totally see why he'd stay at Navy but I do hope it wasn't because Arizona was stupid as poo poo. Kevin Sumlin come on down, please?
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I'm really glad he's staying at Navy because they seem like a perfect match. But I don't know what else there is left to do there besides win the AAC title game.
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skaboomizzy posted:I'm really glad he's staying at Navy because they seem like a perfect match. But I don't know what else there is left to do there besides win the AAC title game. I just hope it came down to that, though, and not Arizona being stupid.
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I think when he didn't take the BYU job a couple years ago, that was a pretty solid sign he was planning on staying at Navy forever (as long as "forever" is in college football these days).
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Darn, the more I learned about Niumatalolo, the more excited I got. But yeah can't really blame him. I guess Sumlin could be good too? Probably clams the Yates camp at least.
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