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Metalshark posted:He's using mutants from the past, so she was going by X-23 at that point, hence the old costume. Ooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh ok that makes sense. Jesus, the art really fails to convey... anything.
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Is Grand Design meant to be cannon? I know you kind of need to keep Magneto as a Holocaust survivor, it's pretty central to his character. But I don't know that we need an established timeline showing that Charles really did fight in (Korea?) and that David is the son of holocaust survivor and therefore at least 60 years old. Oh, and by way of an establishing shot, that Spider-Man's been slinging webs for 50+ years too. I guess there's really no way for the actual timelines to make sense, especially when real events in history are also part of the MU. I just thought they tried to condense it whenever possible (Punisher isn't a Vietnam vet anymore, because there's always a new war he can be a vet of, etc). I did enjoy Grand Design # 1 though.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Is Grand Design meant to be cannon? I know you kind of need to keep Magneto as a Holocaust survivor, it's pretty central to his character. But I don't know that we need an established timeline showing that Charles really did fight in (Korea?) and that David is the son of holocaust survivor and therefore at least 60 years old. Oh, and by way of an establishing shot, that Spider-Man's been slinging webs for 50+ years too. I'm pretty sure they just told Ed Piskor to do whatever he wants continuity be damned because he's Ed Piskor Thanks for reminding me that's out, btw.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:26
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Grab a copy quick, it sold out at Diamond.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Is Grand Design meant to be cannon? I know you kind of need to keep Magneto as a Holocaust survivor, it's pretty central to his character. But I don't know that we need an established timeline showing that Charles really did fight in (Korea?) and that David is the son of holocaust survivor and therefore at least 60 years old. Oh, and by way of an establishing shot, that Spider-Man's been slinging webs for 50+ years too. I believe it's Ed Piskor's attempt at boiling down 50+ years of incredibly convoluted continuity into an easy to digest format. Pretending the actual timeline makes sense went out the window a long time ago. Cap's always gonna be a WW2 vet and Magneto will always be a Holocaust survivor regardless of the year being 1965 or 2065. Better to just acknowledge that the actual passage of time has no meaning in the Marvel Universe because it doesn't.
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Jedi posted:I believe it's Ed Piskor's attempt at boiling down 50+ years of incredibly convoluted continuity into an easy to digest format. Pretending the actual timeline makes sense went out the window a long time ago. Cap's always gonna be a WW2 vet and Magneto will always be a Holocaust survivor regardless of the year being 1965 or 2065. Better to just acknowledge that the actual passage of time has no meaning in the Marvel Universe because it doesn't. Well, with Cap they can always just retcon the date of the re-thaw. Magneto got turned into a baby and then back into an adult so they can play with his age there. But yeah, you're right. It's stupid to try to care about the actual timeline. And issue 1 is pretty great IMO, so, I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
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I posted a question in the movie thread about how Mutants would fit into the MCU considering how people seem to love these superheroes with their flashy powers while the Mutants' deal is that they're hated for being born with flashy powers. I haven't kept up with X-Men books for a while now so I wanted to ask if they're still hated and feared up to now? I've just been thinking about it and what bothers me about Mutants in general is that they barely seem to have made any progress towards their goal. I mean, yeah, I get that comics and status quo go hand in hand, and that Marvel's sliding timescale means Mutants have probably only existed for 20 years. It's just that since comics let you escape from reality for a bit and how they can be used to inspire their readers, it's depressing that Mutants can't make any progress toward acceptance because their deal is being hated and feared. I did hear that Rick Remender tried to tackle this with his Uncanny Avengers run, but apparently it wasn't handled very well?
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I think mutant progress has kept up with minorities and gays in the sense that they're allowed to get married but America is still full of bigots anyway. I know at one point they had that Utopia island somewhere off the coast of California that was a safe-space for all the mutant snowflakes but I assume if they walk around the mainland a bunch of fat white trash still call them cucks. That gets me wondering, has there been any mention of Trump in the Marvel universe?
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amigolupus posted:I posted a question in the movie thread about how Mutants would fit into the MCU considering how people seem to love these superheroes with their flashy powers while the Mutants' deal is that they're hated for being born with flashy powers. I haven't kept up with X-Men books for a while now so I wanted to ask if they're still hated and feared up to now? From the (controversial) X-Men Gold #1 
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davebo posted:I think mutant progress has kept up with minorities and gays in the sense that they're allowed to get married but America is still full of bigots anyway. I know at one point they had that Utopia island somewhere off the coast of California that was a safe-space for all the mutant snowflakes but I assume if they walk around the mainland a bunch of fat white trash still call them cucks. Marvel removed a reference to him from a just released comic.
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Postal Parcel posted:From the (controversial) X-Men Gold #1 And also what a great example of bigotry persisting in the real world since the muslim artist of that issue put in anti-Jewish references! (which is the controversy he was referring to of course)
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davebo posted:And also what a great example of bigotry persisting in the real world since the muslim artist of that issue put in anti-Jewish references! (which is the controversy he was referring to of course) I never even considered the irony of it turning up on that particular page. Thanks for rueful chuckle.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:59
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Postal Parcel posted:From the (controversial) X-Men Gold #1 Who came up with the name “homo superior“ anyway? Was it Xavier? That sure isn't helping!
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Dec 23, 2017 23:51
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cant cook creole bream posted:Who came up with the name “homo superior“ anyway? Was it Xavier? That sure isn't helping! Wasn't it Bolivar Trask? I think (but I'm not sure) that it first appeared alongside the Sentinels.
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Dec 23, 2017 23:55
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I mean it could be worse. They could start to call them homo sapiens while everyone else becomes homo inferior.
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Should call them Homo Sapien Sapien Sapien.
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Remember when Cassandra Nova and Vargas from X-Treme X-Men were bigged up as "homo sapiens superior" and it was treated like a big deal?
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cant cook creole bream posted:Who came up with the name “homo superior“ anyway? Was it Xavier? That sure isn't helping!  All for this E: Looking it up, the earliest mention I see is for X-Men #1 when Magneto appears. "Marvel U chronologically", I have no idea. I'd imagine it happened early in Charles/Erik's life, because I can't imagine them being called "homo superior" by people who think of them less than scum Postal Parcel fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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cant cook creole bream posted:Who came up with the name “homo superior“ anyway? Was it Xavier? That sure isn't helping! Wiki says that in the real world, it was originally coined by a sci fi novel in 1935 called Odd John, about a "supernormal" guy with telepathic powers who gathers other powered people into their own little hideaway. But regardless of where it started, we all know it wasn't truly popularized until Bowie went through his Brotherhood of Mutants phase in the 70s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBQ-S6njQQw
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Phoenix Resurrection was...sluggish, is the word I might use? Just seems like a series of freaky events one after the other instead of something particularly cohesive. Still, it's only the first issue; we'll see what happens after the lil' bits of reveals we saw, some of which are almost certainly fakeouts. It's kinda annoying that it's clearly taking as few cues from the current (but soon to end!...  ) Jean Grey series as it can get away with, and in fact outright contradicting it in many ways what with Rachel showing up here being all "durr what could possibly be happening! It's not like teen Jean has been warning us about this for months. It's definitely not as if I personally literally saw the actual Phoenix right here on Earth just over in that book." Yeah, this doesn't bolster any confidences about this whole event being all that well coordinated between X-writers.
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BrianWilly posted:Phoenix Resurrection was...sluggish, is the word I might use? Just seems like a series of freaky events one after the other instead of something particularly cohesive. Still, it's only the first issue; we'll see what happens after the lil' bits of reveals we saw, some of which are almost certainly fakeouts. Agreed, it feels really disjointed both as an issue and as a larger narrative from the Jean solo series.
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The X-Men Gold Annual was pretty fun, and it was great to see Excalibur back together, though I'm not sure Guggenheim really got their personalities. Brian, in particular, just kind of came off as a doofus. Still, it was better than I would have expected from Guggenheim. There was some weird contradictions, though, with Maggie. Meggan complains that she's already smarter than her, but then she has to ask what a baby and blue are.
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I'm behind due to the xmas week delay in Canada, so just read Pheonix 2, and I'll say Laura stabbing Magneto? with her foot was kinda awesome. Though Diner Erik's star of david kind of looks like a pentagram.
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twistedmentat posted:I'm behind due to the xmas week delay in Canada, so just read Pheonix 2, and I'll say Laura stabbing Magneto? with her foot was kinda awesome. Though Diner Erik's star of david kind of looks like a pentagram. I haven't read the book, so I don't know what the Star of David looks like in it, but it should be pretty easy to tell the difference between the two based on the number of points on the star. For anyone who's not sure of the difference The Star of David is a six pointed star and "Penta" is Greek for "five"
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Endless Mike posted:The X-Men Gold Annual was pretty fun, and it was great to see Excalibur back together, though I'm not sure Guggenheim really got their personalities. Brian, in particular, just kind of came off as a doofus. Still, it was better than I would have expected from Guggenheim. There was some weird contradictions, though, with Maggie. Meggan complains that she's already smarter than her, but then she has to ask what a baby and blue are. Yeah but, as someone else here posted in the recent past, I am *so* loving sick of hyperintelligent children.
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Endless Mike posted:The X-Men Gold Annual was pretty fun, and it was great to see Excalibur back together, though I'm not sure Guggenheim really got their personalities. Brian, in particular, just kind of came off as a doofus. Still, it was better than I would have expected from Guggenheim. There was some weird contradictions, though, with Maggie. Meggan complains that she's already smarter than her, but then she has to ask what a baby and blue are. To be fair Brian was a doofus for much of Excalibur.
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twistedmentat posted:Though Diner Erik's star of david kind of looks like a pentagram. No, it doesn't. In every shot it gives the impression of having 6 points. I think you're being fooled by the fact that it has a circle around it. EDIT: Pretty sure I got them all: 
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Jedi posted:No, it doesn't. In every shot it gives the impression of having 6 points. I think you're being fooled by the fact that it has a circle around it. I meant it looked like one at a glance, I think its how tight its around his neck, reminds me of how all the goth girls I know wear them. It is always a star of david.
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So what I don't get about the Gold Annual is when did Braddock get his eye back and when the poo poo did Kitty and Peter get engaged? I mean, they only just got back together and not even formally or anything. Overall I was pretty underwhelmed by it even with the Excalibur reunion, which in principle I dug. At least we can be confident that the super-genius baby (ugh) will be promptly memory-holed because who gives a poo poo and it was so badly written as to be almost a parody of genius babies. At least we got a cameo from a rad X-Plain the X-Men t-shirt, one I really should buy.
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rantmo posted:So what I don't get about the Gold Annual is when did Braddock get his eye back I think that was when he died and was brought back to life by Merlyn with a bunch of flags.
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Synthbuttrange posted:The braddocks are really lousy about losing their eyes Don't blinkshame them.
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So far Phoenix Resurrection is reading like three first issues.
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BrianWilly posted:So far Phoenix Resurrection is reading like three first issues. 
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You’re all some lovely X-Men fans if you aren’t singing the praises of Grand Design.
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Open Marriage Night posted:You’re all some lovely X-Men fans if you aren’t singing the praises of Grand Design. I have never fully gotten the appeal of Ed Piskor's tone/content but I have also never been a super fan of the X-Men either so I guess I might just be a real piece of poo poo for not liking the same stuff that you like, sell me on why I am a lovely piece of poo poo scumbag please. I am afraid your post did not fully explain the value and appeal of Grand Design is a way that I, a lovely poo poo person, can fully appreciate.
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Isn't grand design just attempt 100 to streamline the X-men's past. I don't need to read more if that.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Isn't grand design just attempt 100 to streamline the X-men's past. Is it even in continuity? It feels like just an artist showcase project.
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Rhyno posted:Is it even in continuity? It feels like just an artist showcase project. It's not meant to be in continuity, but the idea of retooling X-men history in a more coherent way is not bad.
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wielder posted:It's not meant to be in continuity, but the idea of retooling X-men history in a more coherent way is not bad. I guess? Just trying to say that this two issue project that had no major hype from Marvel (seriously, not even a single push from their marketing to get retailers to carry it) is the new X-Men history kind of feels silly.
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