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poemdexter posted:As long as you stream every day for 12 hours, after a year you'll be eligible! I think the time is aggretate from your viewers. Not you as the producer. I am probably wrong though.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I think the time is aggretate from your viewers. Not you as the producer. I am probably wrong though. Whomever gambles on that and pulls through it can look forward to Youtube once again arbitrarily cutting ad-compensation or further gating access to partnerships.
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Seems like a content producer would have to be very tiny not to be hitting those figures, and if someone is that tiny, I can't see Youtube ad revenue being a significant income source for that person anyway. Let's say that your videos average 3 minutes, which is probably pretty short for content creators. In that scenario, 4000 hours of view time is equivalent to 80,000 views total across all videos you have on your channel. Assuming you're making around $8 per thousand views (which seems to be the high end these days) that's a maximum of $640 per year. So really, this is only affecting folks who are drawing a few hundred bucks out of Youtube each year, which makes all of the "well now it's not worth my time" responses kind of strange.
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Baronash posted:Seems like a content producer would have to be very tiny not to be hitting those figures, and if someone is that tiny, I can't see Youtube ad revenue being a significant income source for that person anyway. Monetized videos are given priority in YouTube's search algorithm. This basically made YT worthless for anyone not already popular.
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Baronash posted:Seems like a content producer would have to be very tiny not to be hitting those figures, and if someone is that tiny, I can't see Youtube ad revenue being a significant income source for that person anyway. Maximum of $640 a year sure, but the more likely ad revenue on that sort of audience is closer to $20-$60 a year. Especially since you usually get the worse ad spots when the activity is that low.
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Rime fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Rime posted:This basically just rolls back their policy to how it was six or seven years ago, when the startup I had co-founded became what is now the largest monetization network around. Machinima, Maker, etc would later copy the model but I created it. Ahh, those heady days of cold-calling 13 year olds and telling them we can get them monetized if they just give us 40% of their revenue. Source your quotes
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Rime fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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What does it feel like when your soul dies and you become a horrible person? I hope it hurt. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rime fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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BrandorKP posted:They look like that because of the maritime industry and the challenge of insuring ships. That's my context and I'm looking at what you're talking about like this I want to hear more about the voodoo black magic and tradition of maritime insurance.
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I follow a lot of niche content producers and I don't think any of them have fewer than 1,000 subscribers. This does mean new channels will need to scale up quickly, but I don't see this as that big a deal. I can accept that YouTube wants to draw the line somewhere. Reviewing channels on a case-by-case basis must be insanely time-consuming, and this probably does a ton to cut down the number of manual reviews needed.
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ryonguy posted:Small content producer? YouScrewed.
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TACD posted:I have a had time feeling sympathy for anybody expecting to make money from advertising. If you run a channel as a hobby this won't affect you, and if you're serious enough to hope to earn income from it then start a Patreon. Non-monetized videos are given lower priority in search engines and other algorithms, so it isn't just about the money.
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TACD posted:I have a had time feeling sympathy for anybody expecting to make money from advertising. If you run a channel as a hobby this won't affect you, and if you're serious enough to hope to earn income from it then start a Patreon. YouTube actively works to prevent people from monetizing their videos through Patreon. It's getting to be pretty clear we're going to go back to the standard of people running their own websites to serve their content any day now, at least for real revenue-driven media. The content distributors give no shits about anybody except whales. The hell is the point of all this hassle with monetizing when you can toss up a website template and add a video by pasting code:
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LeJackal posted:Non-monetized videos are given lower priority in search engines and other algorithms, so it isn't just about the money. That kinda makes it all about the money.
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I wonder what percentage of users need to be using adblock before YT dies.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I wonder what percentage of users need to be using adblock before YT dies.
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ryonguy posted:YouTube actively works to prevent people from monetizing their videos through Patreon.
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ryonguy posted:YouTube actively works to prevent people from monetizing their videos through Patreon. There's no way people are going back to self-hosting. Large services like youtube have distributed stores, guaranteed uptimes, fast loading, good backups, that sort of thing. You can't just host a video on some random hosting service and get anything like what youtube provides, and that's not even mentioning the effort of getting people to come to your specific website instead of the huge place that aggregates all the videos. Basically, that model is done, and it's never coming back. a foolish pianist fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jan 18, 2018 |
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TACD posted:I didn't know this! How do they do that, is it more than the lower prioritisation LeJackal mentioned? I think it's that they don't allow you to have in-video links to Patreon pages
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a foolish pianist posted:There's no way people are going back to self-hosting. Large services like youtube have distributed stores, guaranteed uptimes, fast loading, good backups, that sort of thing. You can't just host a video on some random hosting service and get anything like what youtube provides, and that's not even mentioning the effort of getting people to come to your specific website instead of the huge place that aggregates all the videos. I'm not sure about that. If internet video becomes as corporatized and top-down as television (if it becomes a new form of "cable," essentially), then the forces that produced the first wave of Internet creativity will probably re-manifest. If anything, the costs of hosting and overhead are cheaper now than they were in the web 1.0 days of putting a .mov file on your personal server. People did personal stuff on the web the first time around because the platform was free and open. Net neutrality puts a big damper on that, obviously, and hopefully there will be some pushback against that. But life, uh, finds a way...
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LeJackal posted:Non-monetized videos are given lower priority in search engines and other algorithms, so it isn't just about the money. So are small channels with low viewership in general. Monetized or not. All that really ends up meaning is you can't just put out the exact same things all the big boys are doing and expect you'll suddenly get to be a MylarVideos with 6 million fans, the capacity to commit horrible crimes on camera, and then post a whiny video apologizing for it when your ad revenue gets cut a bit. Neon Noodle posted:I'm not sure about that. If internet video becomes as corporatized and top-down as television (if it becomes a new form of "cable," essentially), then the forces that produced the first wave of Internet creativity will probably re-manifest. If anything, the costs of hosting and overhead are cheaper now than they were in the web 1.0 days of putting a .mov file on your personal server. People did personal stuff on the web the first time around because the platform was free and open. Net neutrality puts a big damper on that, obviously, and hopefully there will be some pushback against that. But life, uh, finds a way... Yeah and when people did that stuff you didn't loving make any money off of it plus you have all the costs of paying for the hosting, plus you have trouble actually getting visibility to the mass public. And if you say "well I don't care about making money" or "I don't care about it being easy to search", then why would you leave YouTube in the first place? At least dumping your non-money-making video there means you don't got to pay for hosting costs on top of all the other costs behind a video. fishmech fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jan 18, 2018 |
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Crossposting from C-SPAM's doomsday economics thread:Jose posted:
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aware of dog posted:I think it's that they don't allow you to have in-video links to Patreon pages My understanding is they don't allow you to have in-video links period (unless you are monetizing), not just links to Patreon, the explanation being that in-video links tend to be used a lot for spam. You can still have a link to Patreon in the description as far as I know.
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https://twitter.com/bob_burrough/status/953944369001742336
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Discendo Vox posted:Crossposting from C-SPAM's doomsday economics thread:
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Commissar Kayla posted:I want to hear more about the voodoo black magic and tradition of maritime insurance. I work for a non profit and mostly I just try to keep things from killing people, that's what we were created to do. Sometimes insurance companies (or goverments) require other companies to hire people like me (except often from for profits). There is a very wide variation, particularly internationally, in the practices and standards they enforce. Even though it's all supposed to be governed by international treaty and national laws. That's going to get worse going forward too. It's all extremely low probability extremely high risk stuff. There aren't really probabilities or even costs that can be assigned. Think like potential unique historical disasters. If you can think of it and it's been transported by ship, that's the scope of what of look at. We did the Peita when it shipped. Anyway some physical equipment (ships and terminals) out there even date back to like the 1890's and there is not exactly uh documentation availible.
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It's actually a lot easier and cheaper to self host video now than its ever been. Cloud storage is very cheap and highly reliable, and most browsers can display video with a few lines of native HTML. You might need to pay a little bit for a CDN, but even that has come down a lot in cost, and there are services like Cloudinary that provide a lot of that functionality out of the box that have a free tier, so it'd be easy to set up to start. You could use Stripe and Stripe Subscriptions to monetize through donations and member content, no Patreon required. It's a bit more work than just uploading to youtube, but it's mostly upfront work and you could probably hire somebody cheap from Upwork to do it for you if you really don't want to gently caress around with that. The problem would be growing your reach, since you wouldn't have YouTube's built-in network effects, but that's a marketing problem and it's not necessarily harder without YouTube, just different.
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Baby Babbeh posted:It's actually a lot easier and cheaper to self host video now than its ever been. Cloud storage is very cheap and highly reliable, and most browsers can display video with a few lines of native HTML. You might need to pay a little bit for a CDN, but even that has come down a lot in cost, and there are services like Cloudinary that provide a lot of that functionality out of the box that have a free tier, so it'd be easy to set up to start. You could use Stripe and Stripe Subscriptions to monetize through donations and member content, no Patreon required. It's a bit more work than just uploading to youtube, but it's mostly upfront work and you could probably hire somebody cheap from Upwork to do it for you if you really don't want to gently caress around with that. Some quick back of the envelope calculations based on AWS S3 egress prices comes out to about $0.77 per hour of 1080p video streamed. Better hope your 10 minute video doesn't go viral and get a million views or you're looking at a $130,000 bill for the month
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Can't you still embed youtube videos in your own website?
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Jose Valasquez posted:Some quick back of the envelope calculations based on AWS S3 egress prices comes out to about $0.77 per hour of 1080p video streamed. Better hope your 10 minute video doesn't go viral and get a million views or you're looking at a $130,000 bill for the month Yeah if you're very small time then sure it's affordable - but if you're that small time for the price to stay negligible then you're also small time enough that why did you even leave YouTube in the first place? And any serious popularity instantly means you're suddenly responsible for thousands of dollars and no guarantee at all that you'll get ad or sponsorship money to match up.
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Jose Valasquez posted:Some quick back of the envelope calculations based on AWS S3 egress prices comes out to about $0.77 per hour of 1080p video streamed. Better hope your 10 minute video doesn't go viral and get a million views or you're looking at a $130,000 bill for the month even then, cloudflare has flat rate plans for CDNs*. stick all your media behind that and let them handle making it economical.
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FamDav posted:even then, cloudflare has flat rate plans for CDNs*. stick all your media behind that and let them handle making it economical. Cloudflare doesn't recommend streaming video through their CDN because it has performance problems. That probably isn't going to work with any kind of volume. They have a streaming solution in beta but I'm betting it's gonna cost more than their flat rate CDN.
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Jose Valasquez posted:Cloudflare doesn't recommend streaming video through their CDN because it has performance problems. That probably isn't going to work with any kind of volume. oh cool. i knew about their all-in-one stream thing they're beta'ing, but didn't know about the CDN+video performance thing.
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https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/954218348107137024 Did it blow up yet? (Screenshot:)
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/954218348107137024 "Proof of work will entitle the owner to a house and a salary."
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Baby Babbeh posted:It's actually a lot easier and cheaper to self host video now than its ever been. Cloud storage is very cheap and highly reliable, and most browsers can display video with a few lines of native HTML. You might need to pay a little bit for a CDN, but even that has come down a lot in cost, and there are services like Cloudinary that provide a lot of that functionality out of the box that have a free tier, so it'd be easy to set up to start. You could use Stripe and Stripe Subscriptions to monetize through donations and member content, no Patreon required. It's a bit more work than just uploading to youtube, but it's mostly upfront work and you could probably hire somebody cheap from Upwork to do it for you if you really don't want to gently caress around with that. A similar thing is happening now with Wikia. Whenever a Wiki is big enough to get significant ad revenue, the top contributors usually fork it from Wikia to a self-hosted site and keep the money, while the Wikia site dies due to not having many editors. I can see a similar thing happening with YouTube channels that have a small but dedicated fanbase
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/954218348107137024 its Austin, the same city who turned its homeless population into wifi routers in an attempt to get people to not dehumanize them
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Konstantin posted:A similar thing is happening now with Wikia. Whenever a Wiki is big enough to get significant ad revenue, the top contributors usually fork it from Wikia to a self-hosted site and keep the money, while the Wikia site dies due to not having many editors. I can see a similar thing happening with YouTube channels that have a small but dedicated fanbase Well theres also Wikia being covered in a ton of ads, some of which are malicious.
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