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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Eh maybe we should take a break from Devilman Crybaby and watch another Go Nagai adaptation, perhaps one where this specific derail will be very unlikely to happen so we can all get along. in the scene where the lady cop wants to gently caress cutie honey, its actually a deep insight into how much women shouldnt want to gently caress other women
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Eh maybe we should take a break from Devilman Crybaby and watch another Go Nagai adaptation, perhaps one where this specific derail will be very unlikely to happen so we can all get along. re:cutie honey loving owns and i'd loving hate the discourse that would go down in a thread about it
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Why are you all talking about Miki and Miko, this Akira and Ryo's thread.
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Endorph posted:in the scene where the lady cop wants to gently caress cutie honey, its actually a deep insight into how much women shouldnt want to gently caress other women cutie honey, after getting kissed by a police woman who is a modern interpretation of her girlfriend from previous versions of the story: Natsuko is... my eternal partner! internet forum poster: she obviously meant partner in platonic crime
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The Colonel posted:cutie honey, after getting kissed by a police woman who is a modern interpretation of her girlfriend from previous versions of the story: Natsuko is... my eternal partner! i only engage in romantic crimes
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Eh maybe we should take a break from Devilman Crybaby and watch another Go Nagai adaptation, perhaps one where this specific derail will be very unlikely to happen so we can all get along. *suspiciously changes the channel to Dororon Enma-kun*
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Who wants to be my partner in erotic crime
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Davincie posted:*suspiciously changes the channel to Dororon Enma-kun*
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Aurora posted:you are talking to multiple queer people, you are preaching to the choir. please stop assuming the worst I think what people are really getting mad about is that by questioning their assumptions, they think I'm trying to take away their sense of representation. The central thesis of Crybaby is universally representational, and you don't need to be exactly the same as any one character to feel represented by them. You should even be able to see yourself in Satan. Insisting that characters definitely want to gently caress isn't supported in the text, because in Crybaby wanting to gently caress anyone is always bad. True love isn't about loving, and saying that Miko might love Miki non-sexually doesn't mean they're just "good friends." True love is familial, and it's a family rooted in interpersonal relationships that transcends ethnicity and blood ties. It's a pure Christian influenced love that even transcends the wrathful nature of God.
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nobody in this show wants to gently caress, gently caress is bad *everyone watches porn and jerks off to their close friends*
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think what people are really getting mad about is that by questioning their assumptions, they think I'm trying to take away their sense of representation. The central thesis of Crybaby is universally representational, and you don't need to be exactly the same as any one character to feel represented by them. You should even be able to see yourself in Satan. 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think what people are really getting mad about is that by questioning their assumptions, they think I'm trying to take away their sense of representation. The central thesis of Crybaby is universally representational, and you don't need to be exactly the same as any one character to feel represented by them. You should even be able to see yourself in Satan.
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as a devilman scholar, gently caress simply isn't supported by the text
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devilman crybaby: gently caress is aprocypha
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i sure am glad some bernie 4 lifer with 70 probations in D&D is here to explain queer theory to a subforum full of homos
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nobody in this show wants to gently caress *a guy has a wet dream about his crush so hard he shoots five gallons of stinky cum onto the ceiling*
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I like that part where Akira wants to see Miki's boobs so hard that he gains the power of x-ray vision.
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*a guy has anal sex with another man* *a woman devours men with her breasts* *miki takes off her bra to subtlety show other miki her new huge honkers*
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Raxivace posted:I like that part where Akira wants to see Miki's boobs so hard that he gains the power of x-ray vision. forbidden anime bush
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dogsicle posted:nobody in this show wants to gently caress Iktf
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:because in Crybaby wanting to gently caress anyone is always bad. 
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i'm going to post a list of anime featuring lesbians that i love that i can think of off the top of my head rn in no order for anyone itt who might like it girls' last tour new game re:cutie honey euphonium amanchu magic of stella little witch academia utena sailor moon s (minus some weird eps done by directors who weren't on board) encouragement of climb maidragon flip flappers do with it what you will. this list now belongs to everyone
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dogsicle posted:nobody in this show wants to gently caress, gently caress is bad I literally did not say that nobody wants to gently caress, I said that loving and wanting to gently caress is presented as bad. All explicit expressions of sexuality are negative. If you don't believe me, then watch it again. The desire to gently caress is inherently exploitative, and it's presented as such in Crybaby. Sexuality isn't even inherently essential to romantic interest. Expect My Mom posted:*a guy has anal sex with another man* Miko had big honkers before she became a devilman, and she takes her bra off because it's a locker room where everyone exposes themselves. Her literal intent in that scene is to expose the fact that she resents Miki and views her as a rival and not as a friend, and she's infuriated because she gets chummy with Miki in spite of her intentions. Koda's buttsex scene is also bad. He doesn't actually care about the guy he's loving, he's just a tool for him to work off his own problems, and in the end he literally devours him, which is an allusion to the exploitative nature of exclusively sexual relationships. Crybaby's theme is anti-sexual.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I literally did not say that nobody wants to gently caress, I said that loving and wanting to gently caress is presented as bad. All explicit expressions of sexuality are negative. If you don't believe me, then watch it again. The desire to gently caress is inherently exploitative, and it's presented as such in Crybaby. Sexuality isn't even inherently essential to romantic interest. you're an idiot
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I literally did not say that nobody wants to gently caress, I said that loving and wanting to gently caress is presented as bad. All explicit expressions of sexuality are negative. If you don't believe me, then watch it again. The desire to gently caress is inherently exploitative, and it's presented as such in Crybaby. Sexuality isn't even inherently essential to romantic interest. How is the desire to gently caress inherently exploitative?
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the bad poo poo that goes down isn't because of loving so i really don't get any of the show being anti-sexual e: apparently making a quick own resulted in this post being poo poo before, gomen dogsicle fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The desire to gently caress is inherently exploitative
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Don't have sex or your partner's genitals will become a mouth or spikes or whatever and just straight up chop you in half. This is what happens if you are an impure sex-haver, and rightfully so.
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also, on a less  note, there's not really any room for debate on the time loop thing; the existence of the 70s Devilman anime in Crybaby's universe pretty much seals itnow, if you want to interpret the ending as the end of the loop because of the two moons, then that's fine, but the loop thing is absolutely addressed in Crybaby, just really obliquely and in a way that looks like a meta gag unless you're already aware of the plot thread
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Endorph posted:i think it can be a beautiful, pleasurable experience that acts as a physical manifestation of two people's love and trust in one another Yeah that sounds like exploitation alright
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:also, on a less i don't think the old show existing seals anything tbh. if you don't apply any outside logic (e.g. devilman lady, violence jack), it honestly just seems like a weird yuasa joke while the ending is obviously setting up for a renewal of earth that won't be the same as what we just saw
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Namtab posted:How is the desire to gently caress inherently exploitative? Wanting to gently caress someone is an urge that is felt regardless of the feelings of the subject. It's distinct from the desire to "make love," which is mechanically the same but thematically different. To make love is a mutual act, but loving happens regardless of if the other party gets anything out of it. That's thematically represented in Akira's wet dream of Miki, where he imagines doing her from behind - is the identity of the subject really important when you're imagining intercourse without their face? When Akira leers at Miki to the point he can see her breasts and pubic hair, he's lusting after her parts, not looking at her. Coveting the part or parts of a person is a theme that becomes fully resolved at the end of episode 9, when everyone Akira cares about is literally eviscerated, and broken down into their individual parts by people who didn't know them at all. dogsicle posted:the show full of graphic nudity and sex is anti-sexual drat that's galaxy-level The heroic struggle involves overcoming the desire of sexual urges. If you think the presentation of sexual material and sexuality in the show is positive, then you're not paying attention. It's almost exclusively exploitative, with the photographer being the literal embodiment of those relations.
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Endorph posted:okay let's put this down to democracy
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the show stands on its own pretty well, i think
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ill never gently caress
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RME posted:ill never gently caress a wise decision
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Wanting to gently caress someone is an urge that is felt regardless of the feelings of the subject. It's distinct from the desire to "make love," which is mechanically the same but thematically different. To make love is a mutual act, but loving happens regardless of if the other party gets anything out of it. That's thematically represented in Akira's wet dream of Miki, where he imagines doing her from behind - is the identity of the subject really important when you're imagining intercourse without their face? When Akira leers at Miki to the point he can see her breasts and pubic hair, he's lusting after her parts, not looking at her. Coveting the part or parts of a person is a theme that becomes fully resolved at the end of episode 9, when everyone Akira cares about is literally eviscerated, and broken down into their individual parts by people who didn't know them at all. You should get some help mate
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im gonna call loving a mutual act
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